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monotub issues ....
    #9088776 - 10/16/08 09:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Well hell guys,

Some of you saw my other monotub that I got to wet.....

I think this one doesnt look quite right either ... WTF. I wonder if Im just checking them out to much introducing fresh air which is slowing colonization or causing issues. Im not sure.

I have zero problems when doing bulk subs in trays ... but when I switch to a monotub I have issues. Maybe mono's require a bit drier substrate then I can get away with in trays?

Heres two more tubs that I have going, please advise.

TUB #1  -

This first tub (pictured below) is a mixture of wheat straw/ worm castings. Ratio probably approx. 85/15 straw to castings.

I dont like having pieces of wheat straw stick up in the air. For this reason I sprinkled a little bit of coir over the surface to just barely cover the surface so the straw wasnt as exposed. Probably not necessary.

18 gal rubbermaid (I believe), spawned with 3 quarts of wbs. Layered. I did put a layer of grain on the top, then sprinkled with a small amount of coir over that. The tub has 4 one inch holes in each long side, stuffed with polyfill. 3" substrate depth.

Spawned on 10/10 (these pics taken today six days later). I did check it 2 days ago and it was really dry so I misted the walls of the tub and misted the coir a bit where it was completely dry. At that time it looked pretty good. Today it looks like it might have some cobweb or something. It just doesnt look right to me.

Im planning on leaving it until monday and checking on it then.







TUB #2 - PUT IN TO FRUITING??

Below you will see the second tub Ild like advise on. Its a double tub set up, 64 quarts. Surface area approx 14"x29"

Substrate is wheat straw/worm castings 85/15 ratios. Spawned on 10/10 with approx 4 quarts wbs (or maybe 5. I think 4 though). Due to my fear of leaving straw uncovered during colonization on this one I added a thicker (fuffy) layer of coir/verm mix at the same time of spawning. 4.5" substrate depth.

I layered the spawn and substrate and put a final layer of spawn on top just underneath the coir/verm layer.

This one looks ok, but again these pics are 6 days in. I was thinking of leaving this one till monday (would be 10 days at that point) then just putting it straight into fruiting conditions. But, Im a bit worried that the inside of the substrate wont be completely colonized. Basically I put a casing layer on it at the time of spawning.

I guess even if I put it into fruiting conditions on monday, and if the inside isnt completely colonized... it would probably just continue with vegetative (colonization) growth until its colonized and ready to fruit wouldnt it??

Any suggestions on what to do with either of these would be appreciated. I dont know why the hell Im having so much trouble with these tubs.Maybe Im just being to impatient and checking on them too much.

Heres the second tub...





On a good note here is my 12"x24" casing that has been in the FC for about 5 days now ... looking good. LOL .. what the hell, I swear to god trays workout perfectly, but Im fucking the monotubs up I think.

Im going to do one more mono with only coir/coffee as a substrate and no casing layer at all since its such a bulletproof recipe and in case these two tubs up above go sour on me.

Please let me know what you guys think about the 2 tubs up above.


CASING IN TRAY




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Re: monotub issues .... [Re: OZZ]
    #9088823 - 10/16/08 09:17 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

monotubs need fresh air when colonizing but you give it too much it dries the substrate. I bring my bulk to field cap. Then I cover it. With a couple of holes that let in filtered air. I dont peek I dont do anything. Its hard not too with the damn rubbermaid 18 gals. though The top gets too moist and then you dont know whats going on. Make sure your ratio is good, have faith. Peekers get contams.


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Re: monotub issues .... [Re: Shr00mZ]
    #9088855 - 10/16/08 09:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

That brings up a few things also.

Heres my specific questions would really help to get some answers to

#1 - Are those of you that do monotubs taping off the fae holes during colonization, then stuffing with polyfill or are you just putting polyfill in right away.

#2- Once you add the substrate and spawn, I put a layer of tinfoil over it. I didnt put holes in the tin foil because its just loosely laying on the surface. This should be fine right?

#3- with the two tubs I showed above ... how long is a "typical" colonization time for the substrate. Once you spawn, how long are you waiting before checking on it.

#4- with the tubs above, Im guessing I should just leave them, without checking on them for about a good week? What do you suggest?

Thanks guys .. I could really use answers on these questions, I have no problems with trays as I mentioned but somethings getting lossed in the trasition to tubs. Its probably just me messing with them too much.

Edited by OZZ (10/16/08 09:28 PM)

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Re: monotub issues .... [Re: OZZ]
    #9088890 - 10/16/08 09:27 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

you can cover it with plastic wrap. Slit little holes in the plastic wrap cover it with micropore tape. When I cut my holes in the actual tub. I tape over all but two with regular tape. Then micropore the remaining two. Not too much fresh air to dry out my sub. Not too little to cause delay in colonization.

tinfoil sounds stupid to me. I dont know people recommend it honestly.


experiment with thinner depths in substrate or increase your spawn ratio. 1:2 isnt a bad ratio. its going to colonize quick.


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Re: monotub issues .... [Re: Shr00mZ]
    #9088948 - 10/16/08 09:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Substrate should be 2-4 inches deep for 4 inches (of course this is dependent on total substrate volume) you will need more spawn in order to have the spawn run complete without contams ruining the efforts.\
2 inches will require less..

I agree with Shroomz use plastic wrap.

Typical rates for me are 10-16 days.. depends on ratio of spawn to sub.. as well as the spore dice roll haha


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Re: monotub issues .... [Re: Grogan]
    #9088967 - 10/16/08 09:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I forget to tell you man. The guys who use polyfil in their holes from the get go. Cover the tub with a trash bag. This reduces air flow. Say ur tubs in a  room with a fan running. If peeking is that hard for you. Use the 54 qt sterlite clear tubs. I got 4 of those, much better than those 18 gal. rubbermaids. Plus they are bigger. Just not as tall. if you have a deep substrate dub-tub it. same principles.
good luck with it man. its a lot of experimenting.


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Re: monotub issues .... [Re: Grogan]
    #9088982 - 10/16/08 09:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

How long are you waiting after spawning before checking on it?

Thanks for the help guys...

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Re: monotub issues .... [Re: OZZ]
    #9089015 - 10/16/08 09:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I don't do monotubs ne more use green house.. Its been a while but 9-10 days if its climbing the walls just barely case it if not.. wait another 2 then check..

you learn to read the myc after a few grows :wink:


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Re: monotub issues .... [Re: OZZ]
    #9089021 - 10/16/08 09:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Just the first tub pictured above is the 18 gal rubbermaid, only because I had extra substrate I didnt know what to do with. My main tubs are not those. The second tub pictured is going to be a dub tub because its a short, but large surface area tub. I do have some clear tubs I have purchased and will be using in the future. The clear plastic wrap is a great idea with the clear tub that way I can look and see without adding fresh air.

Good idea!

Then putting the hole shebang in a black garbage bag.

Im going to do another, in the clear tub, with plastic wrap this week. But Im going to use coir/hpoo at a 1:1 ratio with a quart of coffee added. I think this substrate will present less problems then straw substrates when trying to get my technique down.

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Re: monotub issues .... [Re: OZZ]
    #9089030 - 10/16/08 09:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I check after 14 days. My mother always taught me patience was a vurtue.
I bought 4 54 qts. for double tubs. like $20 at walmart.  You can colonize with just the bottom then add the top later!. lol.


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Re: monotub issues .... [Re: Shr00mZ]
    #9089086 - 10/16/08 09:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Thats probably my problem, its only been 6 days on these tubs and Ive checked them twice ... lol.

Im going to give each tub a full week without looking.

Also the tubs Ill be using from now on will be monotubs. They are 64 qt, clear, with clear lids. putting polyfill in from the get go and putting them in a black trash bag will work out well. Ill just leave it alone for a full week after spawning then check. The plastic wrap will work great with the clear tub, since I can just peek in the trash bag and look down through the tub and see through the plastic wrap it shouldnt hurt much of anything by looking ... that way since its not being opened. :P

Great ideas ...

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Re: monotub issues .... [Re: OZZ]
    #9089105 - 10/16/08 10:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

im not perfect either man. I have a 18 gal rubbermaid with 4" sub. I only have 3 quarts of spawn. Its been 13 days. I fucked up, I should have upped the ratio. Im going to fight it out and see what happens to it. I wanted to trip on haloween.... this sux. but if its fails i got three more tubs colonizing, but they werent setup til a week later.


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Re: monotub issues .... [Re: Shr00mZ]
    #9089130 - 10/16/08 10:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ya thats the other thing, probably should use way more spawn ... fuck I have plenty ... lol

I dont know why I was being so skimpy. I only used 3 quarts to an 18 gal rubbermaid too ... from now on in addition to the  changes above Im going to spawn the shit out of it ... lol.

Also, I got to thinking, you know the trashbag you put INSIDE the tub. That the substrate sits in ..... instead of taping the excess liner to the sides of the tub, Ill lay the excess over the edges of the substrate, then put the plastic wrap on top of that ... with a few holes cut in the plastic wrap it shouldnt matter at that point if I have the polyfill holes stuffed from the beginning because it will basically make a make-shift myco bag ... if that makes any sense.

Thats definately what Im going to do ... fuck I think Im going to go buy two more of those tubs .. lol.

I know .. Im rushing to get my halloween goodies as well. That tray is going good though... and its a big one too. 12"x24" with 3" substrate depth.

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Re: monotub issues .... [Re: OZZ]
    #9089153 - 10/16/08 10:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I could get away with using 3 qts on a 3" but not on a 4". I have a 3" now that had 3 qts spawned to it. Its kicking ass almost done colonizing.

yeah im just going to go hunting in the woods for some gyms now instead of cultivation. If man cant do it, god can.


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