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Growing inside jars, pinning below
    #9085384 - 10/16/08 07:09 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Bare with me here, I'm new to this.  I believe I'm doing the PF Tek invitro grow (we took the tops off, but the cakes are still inside the jars, dunno if that's considered invitro or not?)

Anyway, I have a tub with four jars fruiting, plastic wrap over the top, fan 1-2 times a day for a minute, mist once a day, peralite at the bottom of tub, have a blue grow light above that's on for 8 hours a day (not sure if that's the correct light I needed or not), and I have tin foil around the outside of the jars so light only hits the top open air area where we want them to grow. 

Problem is, some of the cakes literally have a hundred pins growing inside the jars, every which way (not toward the light up top), and I'm not sure why? The tops have between 6-8 good looking mini's that'll be ready to pick in probably a couple days, 2 have nothing up top.


So what should I do?  The reason we don't birth is pretty simple, it's our 2nd grow, first one went pretty well and so we're sticking with the formula we know.  Feel free to comment about our methods, more info the better.  Is birthing an option? I know nothing about it, honestly.

Thanks for the help folks.

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Re: Growing inside jars, pinning below [Re: DyeGreen]
    #9085393 - 10/16/08 07:14 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

take them out of the jars, more surface area = higher yield with cakes


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Re: Growing inside jars, pinning below [Re: zyxwvutsr]
    #9085435 - 10/16/08 07:34 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

light is only a secondary pinning trigger(but an important one) fresh air exchange is the most important trigger.         

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Re: Growing inside jars, pinning below [Re: veda_sticks]
    #9085459 - 10/16/08 07:50 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

If I pop them out of the jars, it will ruin the pins on top, I was considering waiting two days and then i could pop them out?

If I did pop them out, would the pins on the sides be damaged or would I be safe to keep them there?

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Re: Growing inside jars, pinning below [Re: DyeGreen]
    #9085633 - 10/16/08 09:15 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)



Take a guess at how I stimulated all those pins to grow.  Yup, wrapping foil around the outside of the jar.  The foil reflects light back down the glass to help stimulate pinning within the jar.  If you want lots of pins to form invitro, simply wrap foil around the jar.  What you did was the opposite of what you wanted.

At this point, I'd suggest letting the pins grow until they stop, and then dump the cake out and pick them off. 
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Re: Growing inside jars, pinning below [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #9087481 - 10/16/08 04:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ah ha... seems odd the tin foil would reflect all the way down there.  In the book it recommended card board tubing but I figured tinfoil would work just as well.  Odd though, that last time we did this we didn't really have a problem (that I'm aware of?)

So are these pins going to be any good once I birth, or should I toss them?  Once I birth, I'm really sure what to do... basically I should just sit them in moist perilite and still mist once a day, yes?  I'm assuming it's too late to do the whole dunk and roll thing.

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Re: Growing inside jars, pinning below [Re: DyeGreen]
    #9090442 - 10/17/08 07:33 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

buuuump.

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Re: Growing inside jars, pinning below [Re: DyeGreen]
    #9090813 - 10/17/08 09:38 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

the pins you can leave on there from what i understand, they will not cause any complications but possibly will not continue to grow into full mushies...

as for what to do with your cakes, i would recommend the crumble and case if anything but its possible your cake is spent :smirk:


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Re: Growing inside jars, pinning below [Re: neybis]
    #9095149 - 10/18/08 03:28 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

spent? that would be a bummer... it's the very first flush though? How tough would crumble and case be at this point? Not sure how that works either.  (new to this, i'm sure it's obvious)

Another question but don't feel the need to start another thread.  This same grow, we had 16 of 20 jars fail, no contams, they just never grew... How cool do those jars need to be after they are pressured cooked? We're trying to figure out what happened, and either we got bad syringes or the jars were too hot, but we're pretty confused!

thanks for the help thus far folks.

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Re: Growing inside jars, pinning below [Re: neybis]
    #9095259 - 10/18/08 04:45 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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neybis said:
the pins you can leave on there from what i understand, they will not cause any complications but possibly will not continue to grow into full mushies...

as for what to do with your cakes, i would recommend the crumble and case if anything but its possible your cake is spent :smirk:




ingore that. Your cake is not spent. And i would not crumble and case. Cakes are best left as cakes unless spawned to a bulk substrate. You wont increase yeild by striaght casing.


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Cakes can and will pin! - So you think cakes suck for pins. Your wrong
Franks Simple Coir/Verm Tek
Franks Proper Pasturisation Tek
Franks Spawning To Bulk - Monotub
Professor Pinheads RTV Injection Port Tek
Foo Mans No Soak WBS Prep Tek

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Re: Growing inside jars, pinning below [Re: veda_sticks]
    #9097221 - 10/18/08 06:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ya I wasn't really planning on doing that anyway :smile: haha... Now I'm just waiting for these buggers to grow on top so I can pluck em' and birth!

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