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fugi187
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no 1/2 pint jars
#908329 - 09/25/02 09:21 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am a newbie to the whole mushroom growing experiene and find it every interesting. by the end of the week I will be starting my first grow and I have encountered a slight problem. I cannot find the 1/2 pint jars the smallest I can find is a 1 pint jar. Do you think that it would be okay if I just doulbe all the dosseges and ingredients to make the cakes or would that not work.
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Re: no 1/2 pint jars [Re: fugi187]
#908346 - 09/25/02 09:30 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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will B fine. double the dose, as u said.
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Re: no 1/2 pint jars [Re: XiC_clone]
#908364 - 09/25/02 09:36 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanx just wanted to make sure that I wouldnt be doing anything wrong
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Re: no 1/2 pint jars [Re: fugi187]
#908388 - 09/25/02 09:45 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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are the pint jars tapered so the top is the widest? what kind of jar are they? keep in mind that youll quadriple the chance of contams and itll take twice as long to colonize.
1/4 pint=5% of contams, 2 weeks to colonize 1/2 pint=10% of contams, 4 weeks to colonize 1 pint=20% of contams, 8 weeks to colonize 2 pint=30% of contams, 16 weeks to colonize 4 pint=38% of contams, 32 weeks to colonize 8 pint=44% of contams, 64 weeks to colonize
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Re: no 1/2 pint jars [Re: LSAuser]
#908397 - 09/25/02 09:50 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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8 weeks? From my EXP it is around 4-5, when grains; even faster. But I dont wanna argue. You might be right. The contam part is %100 right. But if he cant find 1/2 pints, what is he 2 do?
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Re: no 1/2 pint jars [Re: LSAuser]
#908576 - 09/25/02 10:53 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Jars a Bell Wide mouth 1 Pint Jars. Wish the 1/2 Pint jars were around in my area but I cant find them.
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Re: no 1/2 pint jars [Re: fugi187]
#908616 - 09/25/02 11:06 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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then buy 4 pint sized jars and 4 drinking glasses of 1/2 pint and if the pint jars get contam or too slow, you have the 1/2 pint glasses which may be fully colonized by now.
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Re: no 1/2 pint jars [Re: fugi187]
#908631 - 09/25/02 11:11 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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My buddy innoculated 6- 1pint jars and only lost one to contams. Like everybody has said, they'll be fine, but they'll take longer to colonise. Good luck.
I know you probably looked already, but if you go to walmart, they'll proabably have 1/2 pint jars.
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Re: no 1/2 pint jars [Re: Skikid16]
#908641 - 09/25/02 11:14 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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when i started a couple of years ago, i used double shot glasses. i had 8 of them. i cased 'em and got a good yeild. just put foil over it and hold with a rubber band
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Re: no 1/2 pint jars [Re: ellisdee625]
#908664 - 09/25/02 11:21 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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isnt a shot glass like 1.5 ounces so a 2x shot glass is like 1/5 pint or 3 ounces?
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Re: no 1/2 pint jars [Re: LSAuser]
#908833 - 09/26/02 12:14 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you can get the pint jars then use them. Most of us use them. And some ppl don`t use them, choices are fabulous
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Re: no 1/2 pint jars [Re: fugi187]
#909043 - 09/26/02 01:55 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pint jars work perfectly fine are you going to sterilize them with a pressure cooker?? My very first time I used pint jars as if anyone here would remember it was the first post I ever made and it asked if I could do this same exact thing.
I sterilized with a big pot instead of a pressure cooker and didn't lose one to contam my first time around after my caked were ready to flop out for their birthdays I cut them in half and layed them sideways inside my terranium you don't have to cut them in half they work fine if you don't although one time I didn't cut a few in half and the bottoms got weak the cakes tipped over but that only happen once I suspect it was something other then the fact that I hadn't cut the cakes in half I had very large flushes that time and I was using a HUGE EQ print for innoculation alot of the phat asses came out on the bottoms of the cakes so I think that is what made em weak
ohh ohh yeah instead of the standard four holes poke an extra one RIGHT In the middle of the jar lid trust me you'll appreciate me having told you this I tested it six of my jars and left the other six without holes in the middle the jars that I put a hole in the middle had bigger flushes then the ones that didn't have a hole in the middle
I'll create a log about mine next time around perhaps showing the use of pint jars and detailing the time it took to pin and how many were lost to contams.
Another tiny piece of advice is just try to get your first flush before attempting casing;) but another small piece of advice casing does increase your FLUSHES A TON!!!!!!
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Edited by BleedingSickness (09/26/02 02:04 AM)
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Re: no 1/2 pint jars [Re: fugi187]
#909332 - 09/26/02 08:10 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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In reply to:
The Jars a Bell Wide mouth 1 Pint Jars. Wish the 1/2 Pint jars were around in my area but I cant find them.
Spend a day just looking at every food store you can think of and you will find a major chain that will have them in stock it took me 7-8 tries before i found the kerr 1/2 pint wide mouth's. They're in a yellow box btw. Also remember to try ghetto locations as they usually seem to be more in stock. More populated busier stores usually never have them from my exp.
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Re: no 1/2 pint jars [Re: fugi187]
#909361 - 09/26/02 08:51 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wide mouth pints will be fine. Better for grain, but will work fine PF style. I've had pints of Creeper and Eq's fully colonized in about 3 weeks with no contams. Just keep your work areas clean and you'll be fine. -Bruiser
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Re: no 1/2 pint jars [Re: fugi187]
#909390 - 09/26/02 09:14 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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You can order 1/2 pints on line , will cost more due to shipping . Go to www.doitbest.com , do a search there for canning jars . If you have any stores in your area that cater to the hispanic community , try there . Good luck
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Re: no 1/2 pint jars [Re: LSAuser]
#909461 - 09/26/02 10:37 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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"1/4 pint=5% of contams, 2 weeks to colonize 1/2 pint=10% of contams, 4 weeks to colonize 1 pint=20% of contams, 8 weeks to colonize 2 pint=30% of contams, 16 weeks to colonize 4 pint=38% of contams, 32 weeks to colonize 8 pint=44% of contams, 64 weeks to colonize"
Where did you get that info?
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Re: no 1/2 pint jars [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
#909620 - 09/26/02 11:24 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm going to have to disagree with LSAuser on this one...
I did a batch of 1/2 pint PF tek jars -- Colonization time ~25 days batch of 1 quart jars -- Colonization time - 12 days!
So far no contaminations... I did the oventek method (not sure how much that ACTUALLY helps, but worth a shot)...
I believe the best method is to use quart jars (with a bulk substrate such as millet), but make sure they fill at most 2/3 of jar (after pressure cooking and shaking around a bit)-- otherwise you are going to have much longer colonization times.
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Re: no 1/2 pint jars [Re: f8L]
#909791 - 09/26/02 12:41 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Goto wal-mart, they have kern half pint for like, $7 for 12 of them. lids and all.
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Re: no 1/2 pint jars [Re: fugi187]
#910008 - 09/26/02 01:54 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Have you tried the jam (or jelly?) section of your local supermarket? I found that Nutella Chocolate Spread comes in a nice shaped jar,,,looks a little less than half a pint, but that'll just mean it'll colonize quicker
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Re: no 1/2 pint jars [Re: fugi187]
#910444 - 09/26/02 06:04 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have 2 brand new cases of 1/2 pint wide mouth jars..... I don't do cakes anymore. If you really can't find any.....and you live close enough.....send me a PM.
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Re: no 1/2 pint jars [Re: Roadkill]
#910486 - 09/26/02 06:33 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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no 1/2 pint jars, heck no jars of any kind in my area. you have PM.
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Re: no 1/2 pint jars [Re: f8L]
#910500 - 09/26/02 06:40 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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"I'm going to have to disagree with LSAuser on this one...
I did a batch of 1/2 pint PF tek jars -- Colonization time ~25 days batch of 1 quart jars -- Colonization time - 12 days!"
I'm gonna speak for LSAuser, I think those times he quoted were for PF jars. If you got a PF quart to colonise in 12 days, you need to post a tek.
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Re: no 1/2 pint jars [Re: Skikid16]
#910653 - 09/26/02 07:52 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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In reply to Skikid16 ...
^^^^^INCUBATION TIME - 9 DAYS ^^^^^^
This picture was taken a few seconds ago by SWIM, it?s one of the 2 quart jars I am referring to... Innoculated September 17, the strain is Gulf Coast-- Substrate is approx 60% MILLET / 40% VERMICULITE
Temp throughout inncubation was 83.5 degrees
process ---------- 1) Drill two holes in the lid, one in the middle (slightly larger) used for polyfill, and one on the edge.used to innoculate through. (It?s possible to innculate through the polyfill, but prefer not to.
Note: Did not ?wash? millet off, simply placed into pot, not sure if this has any affect.
2) Measure out sufficient Millet and place into pot, add water till water is covering millet. Set stove on medium, after 5 minutes or so, keep adding water and stirring until Millet is no longer absorbing any water.
Note: Millet used was purchased at Walmart. It is called HARTZ Parakeet Seed (came in a 5 pound bag and consists of Millet Seed, Oat Groats, Canary Grass Seed.)
3) Strain millet using hand strainer or whatever works. Did NOT thoroughly dry Millet like some recommend, simply strain to get rid of excess water.
4) Placed Millet into large bowl, then added Vermiculite. (Did not know the exact ratio, swim determined when enough verm was added so the moisture level resembled a pftek type jar. (IE. if sqeezed lightly, a few drops of water came out) Finally, add sufficient some water to mixture since the verm absorbs like a mofo.
5) Filled Quart jar approximately a little less than 2/3?s of the jar. Added polyfill to the middle hole. Placed a small piece of electrical tape over smaller hole. Then pressure cooked at 15 PSI for one hour.
6) Let sit for roughly 5 hours to cool down. Took off tinfoil. Shook jar rigourously for 2 minutes. Then, used Oven Tek for sterility (IE. turn oven on broil, let it heat up, then innoculated near oven). Used approx. 3 CC?s of Gulf Coast strain per jar, purchased at thelittleguy.com
7) Placed in inncubation temp of 83.5, after 3 days no colonization appeared. Proceeded to shake jar rigoursly for 2 minutes. After 5 days, colonization approx 30%, 7 days colonization approx 70%, after 9 days colonization completed.
Well, that?s it... You wanted to know how swim did it. Swim will try to replicate this method a few times, with different strains and let you know the results. I think the most important part of this very QUICK colonization time was the fact that the jar was only filled half way.. After the jar was shaken, jar looks approx 2/3 full. Let me know if you have any questions about this method.
Edited by f8L (09/26/02 08:55 PM)
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fugi187
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Thanx for all the great info and support guys. I should be getting my syringes in the mail by the end of next week so I will definetly keep everyone posted on how everything turns out. Special Thanx to BleedingSickness for all the great information and making me feel better about inoculating with Creeper since u said u have had good results with them. Once again thanx alot guys and I am sure I will have more posts in the near future
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Re: no 1/2 pint jars [Re: f8L]
#911251 - 09/26/02 11:54 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nice, my buddy got double happy when reading this cause he just got his Pressure Cooker today, he's thinking of doing some birdseed work this weekend. Thanks for the tek.
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Re: no 1/2 pint jars [Re: fugi187]
#913081 - 09/27/02 06:31 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just wanted to mention something very annoying that happned to me, as you did I went around looking for 1/2 pint jars everywhere. When I was just about to give up from looking for 3 months I went back to the first place a looked and bought some big mason jars and figured I would give it a try. The manager said he couldnt sell them to me because they originaly came in a box and I got mad and said well "where are the boxes then!!!" so he took me to the back and showed me about 200 boxes of EVERY type of jar, including 1/2 wide mouth... my suggestion.. just to try... go back to where you have gotten the jars and ask if they have anything else in stock in the "back" maybe you'll get as lucky as me good luck
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Re: no 1/2 pint jars [Re: LSAuser]
#914401 - 09/28/02 06:58 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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In reply to:
1/2 pint=10% of contams, 4 weeks to colonize
Anyone who loses 10% of their jars to contams is doing a bad fucking job and needs to be more careful.
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In reply to:
Anyone who loses 10% of their jars to contams is doing a bad fucking job and needs to be more careful.
10% would be one out of ten jars. How is that so bad?
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