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j3lazingj3order
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Help! is this overlay and should i be worried?????
#9082165 - 10/15/08 03:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is this overlay??? anyone please?

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veda_sticks
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Re: Help! is this overlay and should i be worried????? [Re: j3lazingj3order]
#9082418 - 10/15/08 04:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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no. now go to the sticky thats labelled, failure to heed may bring terrible misfortune. theres a link to understanding overly.
i dont understand why you havnt read it along with many others. that thread should be fully read before you even think of gathering supplies oor posting.
It would also help if you actually tell us what that is.
substrate casing layer etc
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Re: Help! is this overlay and should i be worried????? [Re: veda_sticks]
#9084229 - 10/15/08 10:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's not overlay, and chances are if you grow for ten years you'll never even see overlay. RR
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Re: Help! is this overlay and should i be worried????? [Re: veda_sticks]
#9085719 - 10/16/08 09:49 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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veda_sticks said: no. now go to the sticky thats labelled, failure to heed may bring terrible misfortune. theres a link to understanding overly.
Veda , there's a link to understanding WHAT overly,lol.
There's his confusion . The first two pic's in that link you sent him to aren't overlay . No wonder peeps are thinking they have overlay . That first pick looks like what I shoot for,lol. Some of these older TEK's and info from years ago really needs to be upgraded . RR, you tell me , does that first pic in that overlay section look even remotely like overlay ? Where's the yellow, hardened mat of mycelium that water can't penetrate?
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Re: Help! is this overlay and should i be worried????? [Re: HippieChick]
#9085743 - 10/16/08 10:03 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I haven't even looked at it. The whole overlay crap comes from a picture in Stamets' TMC that shows an apparently normal looking casing layer identified as overlay. All I can assume is the publisher got the pictures mixed up, and folks have been freaking out over it ever since.
In addition, I've never seen one whit of good come from deep scratching. It almost always leads to contamination, and I've never seen it result in an even pinset. Just thought I'd toss that in.  RR
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Re: Help! is this overlay and should i be worried????? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9085794 - 10/16/08 10:17 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wait isn't overlay simply when the casing layer gets 100% colonized and can no longer serve as a casing layer? That's what i always thought it was.
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Re: Help! is this overlay and should i be worried????? [Re: T2K_Rusty]
#9085818 - 10/16/08 10:23 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nope. Overlay is matted, dry mycelium that is impervious to moisture. The cells are dead or nearly dead, and can not support primordia formation. RR
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Re: Help! is this overlay and should i be worried????? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9085829 - 10/16/08 10:27 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: I haven't even looked at it. The whole overlay crap comes from a picture in Stamets' TMC that shows an apparently normal looking casing layer identified as overlay. All I can assume is the publisher got the pictures mixed up, and folks have been freaking out over it ever since.
In addition, I've never seen one whit of good come from deep scratching. It almost always leads to contamination, and I've never seen it result in an even pinset. Just thought I'd toss that in.  RR
Look at these pics for Useful links and you'll see the reason for all the confusion around here
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5631638#Post5631638
according to these , everything I ever fruited was overlayed
Those need to be replaced with a real pic of overlay , if we can find one,lol.
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Re: Help! is this overlay and should i be worried????? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9085840 - 10/16/08 10:29 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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HAH thanks rr. In that case i've never seen it.
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Re: Help! is this overlay and should i be worried????? [Re: T2K_Rusty]
#9085874 - 10/16/08 10:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Perhaps one of these trusted cultivators could purposely try to create some overlay, then take a few pics.
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Re: Help! is this overlay and should i be worried????? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9085877 - 10/16/08 10:40 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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RR,
I don't have much experience under my belt, but I have had some success with deep scratching. When my mycelium that had broken the casing layer began to look flat and slimy, almost like dehydrated ice cream or cool whip, and water began to stand on these spots I thought that this was surely the overlay that I had heard about (dead, unresponsive to moisture). So I experimented w/ a sterile fork and a light touch just to disturb the thinnest layer of mycelium possible. Here are my results:

You can see the half of the casing on the front-left that was not scratched. It still produced, just not nearly as much. On the final picture the unscratched part is on the back-left.
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j3lazingj3order
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Re: Help! is this overlay and should i be worried????? [Re: IcAnFeeLthErain]
#9086018 - 10/16/08 11:13 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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so after looking at the casing pick do you think it's time to fruit?/
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Re: Help! is this overlay and should i be worried????? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9086210 - 10/16/08 11:53 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
RogerRabbit said:
That's not overlay, and chances are if you grow for ten years you'll never even see overlay.
Overlay is matted, dry mycelium that is impervious to moisture. The cells are dead or nearly dead, and can not support primordia formation.

I've been telling people this for years!~
Most of the time when people ask if they have overlay...
they have slightly or have definately over colonized their casing layer...
which is not overlay!~
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