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kompton
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FAE during colonization
#9080287 - 10/15/08 09:10 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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is it necessary to fan while the substrate is colonizing if i am doing shotgun tek? (polyfill holes)
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Re: FAE during colonization [Re: kompton]
#9080292 - 10/15/08 09:12 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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no
colonization needs nothing external other than proper temp - your jar, bag, whatever will take care of everything else assuming you have a filter (tyvec, dry verm, whatever) for gas exchange.
shotgun is a fruiting chamber used after the substrate is fully colonized and out of the (I assume) jars.
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Re: FAE during colonization [Re: nenl]
#9080312 - 10/15/08 09:17 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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fanning will slow colonization or even stop and causes premature pinning leaving your substrate open to contams keep it covered or in the jars intil 100% then introduce fae light and higher rh as close to 100% as possible
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not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.
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Your signature is wrong on colonization temps!
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Re: FAE during colonization [Re: nenl]
#9080315 - 10/15/08 09:17 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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FAE can trigger premature pinning. Then you might have weak colonized portions of substrate, and or uncolonized portions of substrate for contams to weasel there way into.
Edit; Aww, you beat me to it Noobie. We must have been posting at the same time...
Edited by Boris (10/15/08 09:19 AM)
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Re: FAE during colonization [Re: Boris]
#9080339 - 10/15/08 09:23 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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that seems to happen alot glad to see were giving him the same advice
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CapZilla said:
not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.
Citric said:
Your signature is wrong on colonization temps!
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ROOM TEMP 70-75 IS BEST FOR COLONIZATION
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I might add that when your letting the myc, "Colonize" the substrate, they need complete darkness and warmer temperatures(80ish - Opinionated). Since you tied the fanning question in with the topic of a FC, leads me to believe your incubating your jars in your FC ? If so, take them out, put them in a shoe box, or personally I put them back in the container the jars were sold in with a sheet of foil over the top. or you could implement putting them in a trash-bag, just whatever you feel is the best way to keep them in darkness. Also, a Shotgun FC, doesn't involve any polyfill.
Watch the http://www.mushroomvideos.com/. The clip about the shotgun FC.
Er... the more I look at your question, the more I see wrong with it lol... Something also leads me to believe that you might be trying to do a bulk substrate in a shotgun FC ? I'm confused.
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Re: FAE during colonization [Re: Boris]
#9080473 - 10/15/08 09:53 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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maybe he is doing a monotub? just got the words mixed up also what boris said keep em dark
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CapZilla said:
not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.
Citric said:
Your signature is wrong on colonization temps!
GOOD JUDGMENT COMES FROM EXPERIENCE
EXPERIENCE COMES FROM BAD JUDGMENT
ROOM TEMP 70-75 IS BEST FOR COLONIZATION
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You dont need to keep your jars in the darkness. Its an old information.
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Re: FAE during colonization [Re: stiopa]
#9080536 - 10/15/08 10:06 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Correct. Normal room ambient light or darkness has no effect on colonizing mycelium. Even Paul Stamets who originally wrote that in The Mushroom Cultivator corrected it when he wrote GGMM ten years later. RR
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Re: FAE during colonization [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9080570 - 10/15/08 10:14 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wow, first time hearing this... (Noted)
To me, when I was informed to keep them in the dark, I thought about the message this is sending to the mushroom. As in, being in the dark indicates to the mushroom its underground, or inside the substrate (Like found in nature) then when you see that it is 100% colonization, and introduce light, Its signaling to the Myc, "You have reached the top, and its time to fruit". Thats why I thought this process was used.
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Edited by Boris (10/15/08 10:20 AM)
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Re: FAE during colonization [Re: Boris]
#9080603 - 10/15/08 10:24 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why are you colonizing substrate in a shotgun chamber? It's supposed to be in jars, unless you're doing a spawn run. Also i don't think you're using a shotgun chamber if there's polyfill in the holes, that would be some tedious work!
Set something on top of the mix. You can also duct tape over a couple of the holes if you are afraid of premature pins.
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Re: FAE during colonization [Re: T2K_Rusty]
#9080636 - 10/15/08 10:32 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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no no no, what I'm saying is after i spawn my bulk with the ALREADY colonized grain, the spawn run.
so i need to keep my tubs in the dark? and NO fanning?
do i need to keep them in the dark even with a casing layer or just some verm on top of the substrate? and i guess what i do wouldn't really be shotgun tek more like neglect tek, i only have around 8 1/2 inch holes with polyfill around the whole tub
OK i totally see where i should have elaborated more on this one guys, my bad...
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Edited by kompton (10/15/08 10:38 AM)
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Re: FAE during colonization [Re: T2K_Rusty]
#9080659 - 10/15/08 10:36 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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when you case something grain,cakes... you cover with foil this is to keep co2 high and rh up do they need to be dark then? if you used plastic wrap it would do the same but let light in wouldnt this cause it to stop colonizing?
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CapZilla said:
not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.
Citric said:
Your signature is wrong on colonization temps!
GOOD JUDGMENT COMES FROM EXPERIENCE
EXPERIENCE COMES FROM BAD JUDGMENT
ROOM TEMP 70-75 IS BEST FOR COLONIZATION
Thank you mycochef
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Re: FAE during colonization [Re: kompton]
#9080661 - 10/15/08 10:36 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Right don't fan it. Darkness won't hurt or help, just keep the tub wherever is clean.
No shroomie, it wont stall or start pinning just from light exposure. In order for bulk to start pinning it needs fresh air, or just be left sitting for a real long time... like months.
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Edited by T2K_Rusty (10/15/08 10:38 AM)
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Re: FAE during colonization [Re: T2K_Rusty]
#9080684 - 10/15/08 10:40 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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thanks for the help man
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Re: FAE during colonization [Re: kompton]
#9080754 - 10/15/08 10:55 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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thank just trying to get that clearded up
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CapZilla said:
not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.
Citric said:
Your signature is wrong on colonization temps!
GOOD JUDGMENT COMES FROM EXPERIENCE
EXPERIENCE COMES FROM BAD JUDGMENT
ROOM TEMP 70-75 IS BEST FOR COLONIZATION
Thank you mycochef
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