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veda_sticks
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Re: When should i put these casings in FC?? [Re: kramedit]
#9074662 - 10/14/08 04:03 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Straight casings cakes doesnt increase yeilds. Your not adding any neuitrients. All that will happen is the mycelium will spend time wasting energy repairing itself before it fruits.
I wouldnt use the casing 101 tek for cakes.
As for the 2nd tek, the problem i see with that is the use of coco-coir which is nuitricious and i can see from the photots that your casing layer has colinised alot which defeats the purpose of a casing layer. Its not a majour problem as if it does fully colinise as coir contains nuitrients.
Coir is best used for spawning and once fully colinised cased with a non nuitiricious casing layer like 50/50+.
A casing layer is there to provide a high humidity microclimate at the surface of the mycelium for pinning and also as a moisture reserve. If it colinises it then theres goes your microclimate.
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Re: When should i put these casings in FC?? [Re: veda_sticks]
#9074671 - 10/14/08 04:09 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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veda_sticks said: Straight casings cakes doesnt increase yeilds. Your not adding any neuitrients. All that will happen is the mycelium will spend time wasting energy repairing itself before it fruits.
But if your conditions are all wrong for fruiting cakes as most peoples are, then casing them will produce much more than if it were in a poor FC but A cake will produce just as much if it had the right conditions, if that makes sense
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Re: When should i put these casings in FC?? [Re: Juke Adro]
#9074677 - 10/14/08 04:15 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I slightly disagree with that. Alot of people are under the impression that with cased substrates you dont need high humidity.
Casings just like cakes perform best in high humidity. Casings are just more tolerent to swings in humidity than cakes are. If your worrying about your casing layer getting to moist becuase of high humidity. It shouldnt happen as even at 99% humidity you will still have evaporation of your casing layer.
If your fruiting conditions are poor for cakes, they are ok for casings. But still not great. I dont see casing as an solution to poor fruiting conditions.
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Franks Proper Pasturisation Tek
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Re: When should i put these casings in FC?? [Re: veda_sticks]
#9074686 - 10/14/08 04:22 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well I do, cakes never worked well or produced anything worth while unless I cased them, humidity dropped too much and I got aborts, with the casing I never got aborts and that was from a isolate not MS, so IMO that was good enough to tell me that cakes in shitty conditions will perform shithouse rather than cased cakes 
But it's just my opinion
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Re: When should i put these casings in FC?? [Re: noobieshroomie]
#9075671 - 10/14/08 11:42 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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noobieshroomie said: the balling looks like knotting to me if this is true you might want to fruit now i dont think it will colonize anymore after this happens(thanks RR for this info) i just had a tub that started to pin while still in spawn run so i decided to fruit it
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They have been in the FC with 12/12 light for 5 days already. Im not asking how they look... (compaired). There is nothing i should do to these now other than fan and mist right? If im doing something wrong tell me all about it
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Re: When should i put these casings in FC?? [Re: kramedit]
#9075747 - 10/14/08 11:58 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Looking at them right now. I see definite pins.very very small, but they just started overnight.I tried to print a couple BIG pesa caps i had, but only 2 half worked out... i can see the dark marks on about 1/4 of where the cap was sitting (if that)... the other smaller ones left nothing but moisture. Are you supose to do something other than lay them gently on a piece of foil in clean conditions? I better be able to get spores off these trays doing prints or im not gonna have anything to work with!
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Re: When should i put these casings in FC?? [Re: kramedit]
#9075932 - 10/14/08 12:47 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah to make info kinda short. you let your casing layer colonize to much. some case and put straight into the fruiting chamber, others let it go till they see little spots of mycelium poking threw and patch those spots and fruit it. patching will induce a more even pinset.
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Re: When should i put these casings in FC?? [Re: seven]
#9076250 - 10/14/08 01:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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seven said: yeah to make info kinda short. you let your casing layer colonize to much. some case and put straight into the fruiting chamber, others let it go till they see little spots of mycelium poking threw and patch those spots and fruit it. patching will induce a more even pinset.
finally someone gives it to me straight. okay... well ive been doing an amazing amount of reading on here and obviously mixed up the two teks and kinda combined them into one i think. Ive been reading a lot on monotubs which you would mix up,and then let get completely white, and then case. i kinda took the first tek and modified it without knowing.
Regardless....

 See them? i do... and im pretty new at this. Its obvious my camera take shitty pics of all white that close. i dunno, i can still see em pretty good in the pics.Also...
 I dunno about that one.
 Just to show you what im workin with. 2 PE cakes and 2 PESA cakes are dunking right now, and you can see a shitty cake of PE in there still.meh.
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Re: When should i put these casings in FC?? [Re: xswaveyx]
#9078981 - 10/14/08 10:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I only see pinning where its white. Maybe my idea of letting it get completely white first wasnt that bad? I guess we will find out in a couple days...i think they look like they are pinning pretty good! The real small container looks like its getting some good ones on it too, but its hard to take pictures. Will update again in a few days when i see some more action!
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Re: When should i put these casings in FC?? [Re: xswaveyx]
#9082097 - 10/15/08 03:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Now im getting anxious! Im going to update this thread as they progress... maybe it should be moved? Check out my pins!

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