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Re: This crazy life of ours. [Re: deCypher]
    #9071717 - 10/13/08 04:08 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

That, I think, depends on how you define emotions. Does one have to be aware of the emotion they are having to say they are "experiencing" it?

An animal might appear sad or happy to us, but in reality its brain might just be executing functions that display these characteristics. It might not "feel" sad and happy as we do.

On thing is for sure...our intellectuality does come at a cost. Look at the amount of mental illness we have in our species. The amount of people who are unstable, who decide the best option is to just kill themselves. It seems that with the increased complexity of our brains comes and increased ability for them to become mis-wired and damaged.

Sort of like modern electronics. :cool:


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Re: This crazy life of ours. [Re: BrainChemistry]
    #9071723 - 10/13/08 04:10 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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BrainChemistry said:
An animal might appear sad or happy to us, but in reality its brain might just be executing functions that display these characteristics. It might not "feel" sad and happy as we do.




One could apply the same argument to your fellow humans--maybe everyone else are just humanoid robots built to behave in certain manners.  How do you know anyone else but you really feels emotions, or really is conscious?


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Re: This crazy life of ours. [Re: demiu5]
    #9071761 - 10/13/08 04:15 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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i agree with cypher here, i think our species would be a lot more peaceful if we didn't constantly reflect on life


I dont think our species would be any more peaceful, but it would definitely end some of the primary motivators of violence and seperatism. i.e. religion, the constant worry of survival.


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Re: This crazy life of ours. [Re: satyr]
    #9071792 - 10/13/08 04:18 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Animals are just as violent as humans--sometimes even more so.

Perhaps not reflecting on life would simply give us less opportunity to rationalize violence in the name of a cause--the bare-face honesty of wilderness survival seems more tolerable than attempting to dress up brute force in the name of reason.

The passions of murder and love are inseparably connected in our ancestry.  All civilization has done is to teach us to pretend to idealize them.
--Aleister Crowley


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Re: This crazy life of ours. [Re: satyr]
    #9071816 - 10/13/08 04:22 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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i agree with cypher here, i think our species would be a lot more peaceful if we didn't constantly reflect on life


I dont think our species would be any more peaceful, but it would definitely end some of the primary motivators of violence and seperatism. i.e. religion, the constant worry of survival.





i didn't mean peaceful as in warfare.  i meant it similar to serene or at peace with the world


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Re: This crazy life of ours. [Re: deCypher]
    #9071831 - 10/13/08 04:25 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Animals are just as violent as humans--sometimes even more so.

Perhaps not reflecting on life would simply give us less opportunity to rationalize violence in the name of a cause--the bare-face honesty of wilderness survival seems more tolerable than attempting to dress up brute force in the name of reason.

The passions of murder and love are inseparably connected in our ancestry.  All civilization has done is to teach us to pretend to idealize them.
--Aleister Crowley


This is what I mean about religion. Violent crime out of raw animal instinct such anger, lust and hate do not compare to violence for a cause. War, the inquisition, the salem witch trials. The result of human speculation has proven its full destructive potential time and time again.


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Re: This crazy life of ours. [Re: satyr]
    #9071852 - 10/13/08 04:29 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Conversely, human speculation has brought many good things such as advanced medical technology, health-care to millions, and the distribution of food and water to countless souls.

With the bad, so too comes the good.


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Re: This crazy life of ours. [Re: deCypher]
    #9071908 - 10/13/08 04:42 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

This is why I dont consider it a bad thing. really, I dont consider anything good or bad, as I dont believe in these polarities.
But I think the point has been made, that there is nothing to suggest that animals are any less conscious than us, though we have the power of speculation and reason.


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Re: This crazy life of ours. [Re: satyr]
    #9072060 - 10/13/08 05:22 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Humans alter and change their environment, animals live within in.

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Re: This crazy life of ours. [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #9072070 - 10/13/08 05:25 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

ummmm, what?

what about ants, or moles, or spiders who burrow and make underground homes?  what about birds who build nests?

we're still living within our environment, by the way, and most houses are made out of natural materials, whether organic or inorganic (brick, clay, cob, wood, stone)


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Re: This crazy life of ours. [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #9074171 - 10/13/08 11:59 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Hmm..



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