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Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix)
    #9070729 - 10/13/08 11:47 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

8 grams dried 'shrooms were dissolved in 400cc's EtOH and MeOH (85/15), filtered, and are drying in front of a fan (outside, of course).  Here is a first look at the crystals.  Sorry the pic is so poor, but it was taken in my shed.



If I've got .45% psilocybin and .25% psilocin, there should be a total of 36mg psilocybin and 20mg psilocin when all is said and done.

My plan is to take 1/3 orally next week-end, and if it is active, I'm going to try smoking 1/3 of the remainder to lay to rest, once and for all whether this is a viable route ("Super DMT") as someone suggested on this forum about a year ago.

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Nature Boy]
    #9070780 - 10/13/08 12:00 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Do you have a vaporizer?

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: 04281969]
    #9070865 - 10/13/08 12:27 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Very good work, I am impressed.


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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Jair]
    #9070872 - 10/13/08 12:29 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

:blueninja:


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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Nature Boy]
    #9070900 - 10/13/08 12:37 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

HELLLLO! Lol :grin:

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: QuantumReality]
    #9070915 - 10/13/08 12:40 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

you should try it intraveniously, ive heard its killer shit!
I would never touch needles but  psil seems so very tempting to shoot intraveniously Lol

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: QuantumReality]
    #9070918 - 10/13/08 12:42 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Well your quite the chemist/scientist.  Really excited to see your results!

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: QuantumReality]
    #9070924 - 10/13/08 12:42 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

^I'd imagine that the results would be similar to IV LSD; that is, no rush, but a faster come-up and an only slightly stronger peak.


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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: LSDreamer]
    #9070951 - 10/13/08 12:49 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

no a much stronger peak than ingesting them.
theres a SWEET thread on that subject in the other drugs discussion forum :thumbup:
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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: QuantumReality]
    #9070977 - 10/13/08 12:53 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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you should try it intraveniously, ive heard its killer shit!
I would never touch needles but  psil seems so very tempting to shoot intraveniously Lol




Its hardly pure enough to mainline yet.


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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: alkylbenzene23]
    #9070993 - 10/13/08 12:56 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

how would one get it pure enough?
im interested because i have a shit load of shrooms that i wanna make an extract out of

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Jair]
    #9071072 - 10/13/08 01:14 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Very good work, I am impressed.




Thanks...but it was quite easy, really.  I used only the most rudimentary tools.  I had lots of cubensis powder left over from a pair of monotubs, so the possibility of sacrificing 8 grams was of no consequence.

I posted these on another thread, but here are some pix of the process.  Here are the two 200cc soaks.  The one on the right was the result of soaking 8 grams for first 24 hours, and looked pale yellowish green.  The jar on the left is the second 200 cc's with the 8 G still in it.



Here's my ghetto filter:



And here's the shroom powder I recovered from the soak, and have dried and stored in case it didn't work:



There's still about 150 cc's of EtOH to evaporate yet (not very apparent in the pic of the dish, but I'm hopeful it'll all work as planned.  Time will tell.

Oh, and PS...the only dope worth shooting is Bush.

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: 04281969]
    #9071250 - 10/13/08 02:00 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Do you have a vaporizer?




very important. in order to prove the myth wrong/right, you need to vaporize it. like dmt. not smoke it.

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Nature Boy]
    #9071259 - 10/13/08 02:01 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

hehe that is ghetto. i might just try this tek today:thumbup:
i wish you could tell me now how good of quality it is :grin:

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: QuantumReality]
    #9071308 - 10/13/08 02:20 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Wow.
Very interesting.
I am very excited to see the results.

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: bryguy27007]
    #9071344 - 10/13/08 02:31 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

how long until you can test the results?:goodluck:

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Ram Dass]
    #9071371 - 10/13/08 02:41 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

wouldn't there be a lot of various OTHER alkaloids (N,N DMT, 5-MeO-DMT, Melatonin(?)) that, if taken intravenously, would have a totally different or possibly even dangerous effect?


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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Mykologist]
    #9071572 - 10/13/08 03:32 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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wouldn't there be a lot of various OTHER alkaloids (N,N DMT, 5-MeO-DMT, Melatonin(?)) that, if taken intravenously, would have a totally different or possibly even dangerous effect?




No.  The only other possible active alkaloid would be Baeocystin in vanishingly small amounts - like 0.025%.

Doesn't matter, the low purity, lack of sterility and inappropriate formulation of the yield from this technique make IV administration utterly and totally inapplicable, unhealthy and dangerous.

Edit:  Got the decimal place wrong:  Should be (and was corrected to) 0.025%

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: deadlynightshade]
    #9071594 - 10/13/08 03:37 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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very important. in order to prove the myth wrong/right, you need to vaporize it. like dmt. not smoke it.




No, I don't have a vaporizer, but I have experience (quite recent, like this morning!) vaporizing DMT in an oil pipe.  Don't worry...I'll get it right when the time comes.

The first test will be ORAL, though, to ensure the produce is indeed active.  No point in vaporizing non-active products!  I hope to do "phase one" this week-end.

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: QuantumReality]
    #9071614 - 10/13/08 03:41 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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hehe that is ghetto. i might just try this tek today:thumbup:
i wish you could tell me now how good of quality it is :grin:




Give me a week or so before you bother.  Refinements may come to me, or may even be required.  I refrained from acidifying the EtOH/MeOH, so I'm hoping for the aforementioned mix of psilocybin to psilocin.

I may also want to wash it further.  I'll let you know.

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Nature Boy]
    #9071630 - 10/13/08 03:46 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

keep up teh updates yo.


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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Beege]
    #9071796 - 10/13/08 04:19 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

ive always wanted to freebase shroom crystals :crazy2:
itll be nice to get some conclusive info


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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #9071934 - 10/13/08 04:50 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Nice work dude :thumbup:


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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Nature Boy]
    #9072286 - 10/13/08 06:01 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Nature Boy said: EtOH and MeOH (85/15)




nice, have the same stuff. lab grade denatured EtOH, boils at 78C.
if you want it really pure, redissolve in  alcohol, put activated carbon in that filter, and pour the solution through again


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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Nature Boy]
    #9072778 - 10/13/08 07:41 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

heh put it on a tab :crazy2:


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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Beege]
    #9073586 - 10/13/08 10:14 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

awesome! cant wait to hear how it goes

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: retrospect]
    #9074695 - 10/14/08 04:27 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Over in advanced cultivation there was a thread about psilocybin extraction using everclear, and I remember reading that it's best to keep the psilocybin suspended in a small amount of alcohol rather than reducing it down to crystals. The reason stated was that the quality of the psilocybin degrades very quickly when exposed to oxygen.

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: phaseflux]
    #9079893 - 10/15/08 05:41 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Ok...here is the psilo-goop I scraped from the evap plate:



Looks a lot loke the brown crystals seen here in this thread:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=1&Number=8706805&fpart=&PHPSESSID=

Goop is thick...taffy-like, deep brown.  Smells pleasant, somehow.  Very sticky.  Alot more volume than I was expecting.  Will keep you all posted.

Any recommendations on a wash???

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Nature Boy]
    #9080135 - 10/15/08 08:20 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Mushroom Extraction

check this out...may help


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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Jorkest]
    #9082382 - 10/15/08 04:38 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Mushroom Extraction

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Yeah, that's pretty good.  Seen it before, but lost the site.  Thanks!  One problem, though:  Where I live, can't get Everclear.  It's illegal.  Would have to travel out of state to buy.  They won't ship it here, if purchased online, either.  :thumbdown:

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Nature Boy]
    #9082519 - 10/15/08 05:14 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

:thumbup: Good luck NB, can't wait to hear the results.


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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Nature Boy]
    #9083214 - 10/15/08 07:33 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Mushroom Extraction

check this out...may help




Yeah, that's pretty good.  Seen it before, but lost the site.  Thanks!  One problem, though:  Where I live, can't get Everclear.  It's illegal.  Would have to travel out of state to buy.  They won't ship it here, if purchased online, either.  :thumbdown:

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99% isopropyl or methanol will work good, i live in a state where 191 is illegal too :mad2:
mrthanol is the best as a solvent but you have to be careful with it


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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #9085229 - 10/16/08 05:19 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Here's the thing:

I test evaporated my solvent (100cc's) and it left absolutely no detectable residue.  So, I'm convinced that the psilo-goo is strictly contents from the mushrooms used.

For the oral test, no worries.  I can shove it in a gel-cap and be done with it.  The whole point of this "Mythbusters" type exercise is the vaporization and inhalation part.  Will it be active in that mode of administration?

That's the part where my reluctance starts kicking in given the appearance (and amount) which may be required to confirm or bust the "vaporization myth".  But, whatever I do to one portion, I want to do to the other to keep the experiment valid.

Can I dissolve the psilo-goo in something and crash actives out in a freezer, ala DMT??

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Nature Boy]
    #9086791 - 10/16/08 01:41 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

you could try doing a nonpolar wash to clean it up

ive heard of a/b extractions working, but the end product is psilocin rather than psilocybin, so it would degrade rather quickly


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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #9086863 - 10/16/08 01:52 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

aw man that sucks, i was hangin on my seat


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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9087021 - 10/16/08 02:27 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Do hotknives with that goop!

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Sid]
    #9087102 - 10/16/08 02:49 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

you could take an maoi and just vaporize a smallish amount if you're worried about having to vapo a bunch of material.

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Sid]
    #9087198 - 10/16/08 03:20 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Nature Boy]
    #9087203 - 10/16/08 03:23 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Beege]
    #9087224 - 10/16/08 03:29 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Do hotknives with that goop!



This is psilocybin, not hash oil.



ya, psilocybin is much more delicate than thc when heat is involved


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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #9087240 - 10/16/08 03:34 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I have almost no clue when it comes to this kind of thing but couldnt you dissolve in naptha and then soak some weed/leaves in the naptha and let evap then vapourize the leaves?


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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Nature Boy]
    #9087243 - 10/16/08 03:35 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Very nice, please post how your experiance on the extracted pcil was, good work


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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: lmfsmoke]
    #9087272 - 10/16/08 03:43 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

awesome. if you vaped that shit would last the same ammount of time as a normal oral dose of shroooomz?


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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Mushr00m_Man]
    #9087275 - 10/16/08 03:44 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

from the older threa about vaporizing psilo, it lasted about 30 minutes


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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Nature Boy]
    #9087279 - 10/16/08 03:45 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Nature Boy,
If this little project of yours goes as planned, a lot of people on here will kiss your ass for it. This could give a really good impact. I wish you the best of luck with this man! Please, for the sake of the curious community, keep us updated.

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: maysrome]
    #9087397 - 10/16/08 04:20 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Absolutely am planning on seeing it through.  Like I said...I just want everyone to know that this is a valid process and backed with intellectual honesty.

That's (in part) why I have been posting pictures along the way, and keeping it as simple as possible using only easily obtainable, widely available materials.  I certainly don't want any one (or more) thing preventing someone who is interested from repeating this experience if they want.

Even a "negative" result is still a valid data point!

I will, of course, keep the community of interested parties informed.

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    #9097178 - 10/18/08 06:06 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: flameclown]
    #9097448 - 10/18/08 07:27 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

i know that a polar/nonpolar wash will not work bc psilocin and psilocybin are both slightly soluble in both dimethyl ether and water. Just thought i would contribute :thumbup:


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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Jean-Luc Picard]
    #9097860 - 10/18/08 09:06 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

waste shroosms:nonono:


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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: just me]
    #9097892 - 10/18/08 09:14 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

so what is the main difference between psilocybin and psilocin?


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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: djblackout]
    #9097956 - 10/18/08 09:32 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

psilocybin has a phosphorous-based group attached and is a more stable form of psilocin produced by the mushrooms. Once ingested, the psilocybin is quickly dephosphorylated into psilocin, which is the active alkaloid in psilocybin mushrooms, along with psilocybin and some other alkaloids in small amounts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-HO-DMT

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Nature Boy]
    #9097961 - 10/18/08 09:35 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I think you should multiply your psilocin by 1.4 then you can combine it into total psilocybin units...

((Psilocin * 1.4) + Psilocybin) = Total Psilocybin Units


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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Jean-Luc Picard]
    #9097964 - 10/18/08 09:36 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Hope he understands that....
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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: P.Menace]
    #9098809 - 10/19/08 03:10 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I did a methanol extraction on some dried cake powder once.

The result was very similar.

I ate all of it and did not feel anything. Probably because I was using cakes.

I do believe that there is no solvent residue, thats just what comes out of mushrooms. I wonder how you could clean it?

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Nature Boy]
    #9110529 - 10/21/08 03:42 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Just curious on the progress... how has phase one progressed?  Was it orally active?


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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: shroomzey]
    #9110544 - 10/21/08 03:44 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: alkylbenzene23]
    #9110636 - 10/21/08 04:06 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Mushr00m_Man]
    #9110646 - 10/21/08 04:07 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Had a major blow-out with the wife (over her stupid, ill-mannered, untrained, undisciplined, food-mongering, barking, biting, plastic chewing, garbage eating, dishwasher and refrigerator diving, nuisance of a dog) and was in a bad place mentally, so I didn't dose.

She's SUPPOSED to go away this coming week-end (although she bullshits alot about her plans) so I'm hopeful she'll go away for 3 days and take her pain in the ass dog with her.

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Nature Boy]
    #9110695 - 10/21/08 04:17 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Nature Boy]
    #9110738 - 10/21/08 04:27 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I was thinking a good way to ingest psilocybin crystals would be to snort them or crush into a fine dust, aerosolize them and inhale, so that the dust coats your lungs.

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: mofo]
    #9111163 - 10/21/08 05:42 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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I was thinking a good way to ingest psilocybin crystals would be to snort them or crush into a fine dust, aerosolize them and inhale, so that the dust coats your lungs.




At the heart of this experiment is the testing of the premise that psilocibin can be successfully vaporized with a DMT like effect.  This has been reported, but apparently not well documented.  I hope to add a valid  data point on this hypothesis.

First, however, I must document through known routes of administration, the efficacy of my extraction.  Therefore, oral to preceed vaporization, as soon as practicable.

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: mofo]
    #9112036 - 10/21/08 07:50 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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aerosolize them and inhale, so that the dust coats your lungs.




I'm not actually going to attempt anything like that myself, but, after reading that, i'm very curious to know how one would go about "aerosolizing" something. very interesting idea.


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    #9112207 - 10/21/08 08:14 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

there are asthma inhalers that work by aerosolizing fine particulates.  They work by focusing air currents through the apparatus in a certain way as you inhale, so that the dust becomes well mixed with the air.  The particulates have to be very fine though.

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: mofo]
    #9112252 - 10/21/08 08:21 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Hmmm, I find that rather interesting indeed. I am an asthmatic and have tonz of inhalers laying around lolz. Thanks for the info man!


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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Nature Boy]
    #9112991 - 10/21/08 10:33 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Had a major blow-out with the wife (over her stupid, ill-mannered, untrained, undisciplined, food-mongering, barking, biting, plastic chewing, garbage eating, dishwasher and refrigerator diving, nuisance of a dog) and was in a bad place mentally, so I didn't dose.

She's SUPPOSED to go away this coming week-end (although she bullshits alot about her plans) so I'm hopeful she'll go away for 3 days and take her pain in the ass dog with her.

N.B.




Ah, always sucks when things don't go to plan.  And you end up having such a nuisance distract you.  Well, obviously we will still be here waiting.  =)



Question:  Is it possible that the psilocybin/psilocin in its current forum would degrade or lose potency over time faster than normal?


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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: shroomzey]
    #9114167 - 10/22/08 04:55 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Question:  Is it possible that the psilocybin/psilocin in its current forum would degrade or lose potency over time faster than normal?




Possible?  Sure...anything is possible, but I don't think any degradation over a week will be sufficient to thoroughly ruin the exeriment, however.

I'll be able to judge the remaining potency (if it indeed has lost sme punch) with the oral dose, so the vap part of it will at least have a subjectively meaningful frame of reference.

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Nature Boy]
    #9117496 - 10/22/08 06:41 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

******UPDATE******UPDATE********UPDATE*******

Wife now out of town.  I mixed 1/3 of the psilo-goop into a cup of Earl Grey tea with honey at 8:15 pm for the "oral" part of the test.

Edit:  This should be approximately 2.5 grams if I extracted and preserved 90% of the active ingredients (highest possible IMHO) and 1.25 grams if only 50% extracted and preserved.  Either way, I should feel something.

Unfortunately, this was on top of a fairly large dinner - which is why I chose the tea as the route of administration - but time will tell if this is successful.  Tea tasted ever so slightly of mushrooms...hardly detectable.

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Nature Boy]
    #9117501 - 10/22/08 06:42 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: maysrome]
    #9117521 - 10/22/08 06:46 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you, my friend!  :peace:

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Edit:  I'm editing this so as to not "bump" my own thread.  It is now T + 1:45 and the effects are modest, smooth, no body load beyond what one would normally expect.  Onset was typical:  yawning, anxiety, ever so slight queasiness.  I'd rate it a level 2 (just barely).  For me, equivalent to just under a 2 gram trip.

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Nature Boy]
    #9118318 - 10/22/08 09:20 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

So your theory of 90% of the active alkaloids being preserved and doseage suggestions by the weight vs your effects were correct?


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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: P.Menace]
    #9119937 - 10/23/08 05:17 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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So your theory of 90% of the active alkaloids being preserved and doseage suggestions by the weight vs your effects were correct?




No...I'd say less than that...maybe 75%, but now that it is the morning after, I have more to report.

During the come-up phase I was watching "Old School" with my son (he's >22 years old).  The body load was so minimal, the come-up so smooth and casual (due to big dinner?) and the lack of mental noise/chatter was such that I didn't appreciate the onset as a hammer, more like a feather.

However, when I got into the dark of my bedroom at T +2:00 I discovered, much to my surprise, my favorite types of closed-eye visuals - the small scale, colorful, morphing geometric patterns!  Wooo Hoo!

Oddly, while watching them, I eventually fell asleep (around T +3:00).  I awoke once around T +4:00 and they were still visible a little bit...the trip was mostly (90%) over.  I must not have slept restfully, because I'm feeling atypically tired this morning.

Shrooms will often leave me with a headache the following morning, but none detectable today.  That's it, I guess.  Psilo-goop is orally acive.

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Nature Boy]
    #9119988 - 10/23/08 05:59 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

now to vaporize crystals.....


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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: P.Menace]
    #9132455 - 10/25/08 03:38 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

****UPDATE*****UPDATE******UPDATE*****

Ok...true to my word, ten minutes ago I took six very decent rips (vaporized, not burned) of a portion of the psilo-goo that I extracted from 8 grams of shrooms.  No joy.

What is more, the smoke smells and tastes vile, unlike the goo itself, which smells fresh and floral-like.  There is no way that I would voluntarily smoke more than 6 lungfuls of this stuff to catch a buzz, so I have to declare this portion of the experiment to be a bust.

Now, having said that, I suspect that the purity of the goo was quite low.  Maybe this WOULD work with "crystal" psilocybin...I just don't know.

Also, I have to acknowledge that the oral portion of this experiment was only Wednesday, so maybe the layoff between then and today (Saturday, so 3 days) wasn't enough, and tolerance was a factor.

Anyway...that's all for now.  I'm thinking seriously about cleaning out the pipe and taking a couple of hits of DMT.  Sorry I ddn't have better news...I would have really loved to post a "wow did I get fucked up" trip report, but, alas, it was not to be.  :shrug:

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Nature Boy]
    #9133616 - 10/25/08 07:46 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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    #9133631 - 10/25/08 07:49 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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    #9133877 - 10/25/08 08:39 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah, my feelings exactly.  A coulple of hours ago I had a nice couple of hits of DMT after 20 minutes of meditating, and that put me in a nice place.

I'm presently drinking a tea of ~5 grams mushies to cap the night, as long as the wifey-poo is away...might as well!  Wish me luck!

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    #9133882 - 10/25/08 08:39 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: P.Menace]
    #9133906 - 10/25/08 08:45 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, I could do that.  I hear it is incredible when done at the peak of a mushie trip, but...lets see where the tea takes me.

Not sure if there will be a cross tolerance issue.  Smoking the psilo-goo didn't seem to make any measurable cange to my sensorium.  5 g tea, though...

I'm only at T + 0:15 right now, and I'm having a bit of trouble w/ typing.  See 'ya.  :peace:

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    #9133936 - 10/25/08 08:49 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Well I am here to tell you from experience that Smoking a dab of DMT while high on MDMA... is fucking epic!
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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: P.Menace]
    #9134232 - 10/25/08 09:49 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

heh heh..........whippets......:tongue:


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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: shroomzey]
    #9135866 - 10/26/08 08:18 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Well, Kudos to your 5g tea trip!  Thanks for the effort NB.




Thanks.  See my trip report.  "Chrome-crystal entities and time travel."  I lost an entire night's sleep trying to come to terms with this one...

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Nature Boy]
    #9135886 - 10/26/08 08:33 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I read on hipforums, one member found positive results from vapourising psilocybin/psylocin even if it wasnt active at the same dosage as orally..


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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9135948 - 10/26/08 09:08 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I don't doubt it.  All I can say is that my quick and dirty extraction was insufficiently pure to be pleasant enough to smoke with good effect.  In fact, it was nasty.

Vaporized pure psilocybin crystals, DMT-like, would probably work VERY well.  Unfortunately, that's not the product I ended up working with, so I can't say one way or another from first-hand experience - and that was the point - to get some trustworthy first-hand experience.

Now...if someone wants to donate some psilocybin crystals...  :crazy2:

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Nature Boy]
    #9135957 - 10/26/08 09:14 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

dude if there is psylocibin in that gunk then it should still work after 9 hits...
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    #9135965 - 10/26/08 09:22 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

<< polymer

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: piracetam]
    #9136182 - 10/26/08 10:47 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

the best way to go about getting the crystals would seem to be an a/b extraction, that woul remove the fats, and it would also convert the psilocybin into the active psilocin

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #9136240 - 10/26/08 11:03 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

maybe it isn't active when vapourised is due to the psilocybin not being converted to psilocin for some reason?? just my 2 cents... i'm not scientist.

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: haymaker]
    #9137023 - 10/26/08 02:46 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Well, regardless of the results of this experiment.  I still believe in the future I'll have to do the research it takes to design a good pure extraction.  This may not be anytime soon, but I'm determined to see a well documented/pictorial of a psilocin/psilocybin crystal vaporization, and I imagine I would probably end up making one.  I'm tired of still seeing speculation regarding this with no concrete proof in either conclusion, saying it for sure works, or for sure doesn't.

I have a feeling though that the biggest lesson learned here is regarding purity.  I imagine the psilo-goop had a lot of nasties in it that made the smoke so horrible that obviously wouldn't bother you taken orally.  I think more effort will need to be put into a better extraction method.

*edit* What haymaker mentioned does bring up a question...

Do the contents of the psilo goop just contain p-cybin?  As the p-cin is unstable and degrades quickly with any exposure?  And if the vaporization of pure p-cybin would have the same effect as vaporized pure p-cin?  Obviously these question are hard to answer, but they are really interesting none the less...


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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: shroomzey]
    #9137960 - 10/26/08 05:43 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Well, regardless of the results of this experiment.  I still believe in the future I'll have to do the research it takes to design a good pure extraction.




I wholeheartedly agree.  I think that would make all the difference.  But the fact that psilocibin is a zwitterion actually makes it more challenging than, lets say, DMT, which can be done in a one-step straight-to-base.

Extracting psilocibin from mushrooms is easy.  It will come out with water, and most alcohols.  Separating away the nasties is the whole trick.  My method did not work, and the result was too vile to smoke, but just fine to take orally.  That was the (only?) lesson.

When you make your attempt, please make sure I know about it so I can follow along!  :thumbup:

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Nature Boy]
    #9138124 - 10/26/08 06:13 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

from what i have read, psilocybin shed its phosphoryloxy group under acidic aquacious conditions


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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #9138413 - 10/26/08 07:07 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I guess before extracting with the alcohols, one way to prevent the impurities in the final product is to wash the dry shroom powder with a non-polar solvent such as naphtha or similar. The psilocybin/cin would not be soluble in it, so it would only take inactives away, resulting in a cleaner end product

the only trick would be to perfectly dry the powder after this wash because nobody would want a bit of naphtha being swallowed in the end

its not too hard though, one just needs to build an improvised vacuum filter and dry it well..  Ill post a pic of the very easy build vacuum filter here tomorrow or smt

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Endlessness]
    #9138476 - 10/26/08 07:15 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Naphtha is used all the time in extracting DMT from mimosa hostilis root bark, and I am here to tell you that the evaporation process would be about the least of your worries there...
VM&P Naphtha evaporates cleanly in only a few short hours...

Trust me, I know... I have been doing it all week.

After the suggestion of that tho, one could use a method of what you suggested, defatting, and perhaps washing the resulting goop with an acidic aqueous solution to aid in the attempt of converting the psilocybin into psilocin, and extract using methanol, and freeze precip...

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: P.Menace]
    #9138592 - 10/26/08 07:32 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

you could just do a simple a/b on the goop :shrug:


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Extraction of psilocybin and psilocin from psychoactive mushrooms

This is a revised copy of a previous write-up about an extraction of the psychedelic alkaloids from psychoactive mushrooms, mainly p. cubensis.  The extraction will work for all of the psychedelic mushrooms that contain psilocybin/psilocin.  It is an acid/base extraction derived from the DMT extractions that I have read about and performed.  The method that I am listing below still has not been attempted by me, so I?d like to note that it is more of a theoretical process waiting on revision until it is finally attempted. The more input I can receive the better the final process and instructions will be. Please feel free to comment.

Overview: The psilocybin is to be extracted from pulverized mushrooms.  As the dosages for psilocybin is beyond measuring with my digital scales, I will use 5 grams of dried p cubensis mushrooms.  As I know the effect of this amount of mushrooms, I can compare the final extract with the trip from the 5 grams.  The alkaloids will be removed from the mushrooms with an acidic solution and defatted with naphtha.  After this the solution will be basified and the alkaloids removed with naphtha. The naphtha will be washed with  two distilled water washes.  The naphtha will be evaporated and the crystals washed one more time with cold distilled water to remove any traces of any basic solutions used in the extraction.  The crystals that are left will be consumed and the effects judged to determine the performance of the extraction.

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Acid (vinegar, muriatic, hydrochloric, sulfuric)  Base (baking powder)
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Dried p. cubensis mushrooms VM&P Naptha

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1) Prepare the mushrooms for extraction. They should be dried completely.  All remnants of the casing layer should be scraped away.  Grind the mushrooms in a coffee grinder to a fine powder.
2) Using the digital pH meter prepare 200mL of distilled water and acid to a pH of 2 in a quart Mason jar.  You want to stir well when doing this.  After you mix this, put it in a hot water bath on the oven until it gets to about 90?F. You?ll want all solvents and naphtha, unless otherwise specified in the instructions, to be at this temperature. Don?t get it higher or you?ll risk destroying precious alkaloids. 
3) Pour the mushroom powder into the acidic solution.  If you want to mix up 25-50mL more of the acidic solution to rinse out the coffee grinder, that?s fine. Just add it back to the Mason jar with the rest of the stuff. Stir well for 5 minutes, and then stir at 10 minute intervals.
4) After allowing the powder to sit in the warm acidic solution for 45 minutes it?s time to filter it and do another wash. The liquid contains a great percentage of the initial alkaloids found in the mushrooms and it is to be kept.  Pour the mixture through a coffee filter into a second Mason jar.  Put the powder back in the first Mason jar.
5) Mix up another 200mL of distilled water and acid to a pH of 2.  Add this to the Mason jar that contains the mushroom powder.  Place that Mason jar back into the warm-water bath on the stovetop.
6) Repeat step 4-5 one more time for a total of three washes. The first one should be 45 minutes while the second and third can be for only 15 minutes each.  All of the liquid should be poured into the second Mason jar and saved.  All of the alkaloids have now been extracted and the mushroom powder may be discarded.
7) We will now de-fat the acidic solution to ensure a purer finished product.  Naphtha is what I will be recommending and using in this procedure.  Pour the acidic liquid into a separatory funnel.  Add 50mL of warm naphtha to the funnel.  Turn the funnel upside down and right side up 10-20 times.  Do this gently enough that great deals of bubbles don?t form.  You?ll need to release the pressure in the funnel.  Do this by turning the funnel so that the stopcock is aimed up and open it.  I recommend doing this every 2-3 turns.
8) Allow the layers to settle out now.  The bottom layer will be the acidic water solution containing the alkaloids and the top layer will be the naphtha containing the extracted fats.
9) Open the stopcock and save the water layer. The naphtha layer is to be discarded.  Repeat the naphtha defatting once more to ensure complete defatting.
10) Now it?s time to basify the solution and get our crystals!  The DEA site that I gleaned some of this information from states that too high of a pH can damage the alkaloids that we want to extract. They recommend 8.0-8.5pH be used.  Since we want this to be as ?gentle? as possible, we will use baking powder as our base.  Prepare 200mL of distilled water and baking soda until the pH is about 8.0.  Add to the acidic solution, stirring regularly, until the pH reaches 8.0.  The crystals are now ?loose? in the solution and ripe for the plucking!
11) Again we will be using naphtha as our solvent but this time, since the crystals are not dissolved in the liquid, they will migrate to the naphtha layer.  Put the basified liquid into the separatory funnel and add 75mL of naphtha.  It?s pretty much the same as the defatting, except we want to keep BOTH layers, but keep them separate.  Repeat this step 2-3 times saving the naphtha each time and re-extracting with fresh naphtha from the basified solution.
12) Now we have naphtha that has all of the alkaloids in it. The basified solution can be tossed.  Just to make sure that we got all of the baking soda out we?ll add some water to the naphtha in the separatory funnel and wash it out again. You can shake the separatory funnel now as hard as you want to, as the layers will separate quite rapidly.  Do this twice, tossing the water and keeping the naphtha.
13) Time to evaporate that naphtha and watch our crystals form!  Put a fan blowing on the naphtha and some heat underneath if you can. Pyrex dishes are great for extractions because you can scrape the crystals off so easy.  Don?t get it hotter than 90?F.  Naphtha takes a while to evaporate but I guarantee you that it will do just that.
14) After you evaporate the naphtha you?ll be left with some crystals.  Put them in a coffee filter and pour extremely cold water over them.  Just 100mL or so will be enough to wash away any parts still there that aren?t desired in the finished product.  Scrape the crystals off of the filter and allow them to dry in a dark place.


That should do it! Psilocybin/psilocin crystals. Feedback welcome!




I think I had this in mind when I was thinking... This sounds like what I was thinking of trying, I guess just without methanol.
Naphtha will defat the solution.
and apparently simply basifying the solution will result in crystals. again washing with naphtha, and evaporating.

I am going to look into a few other methods to this and see what I come up with


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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: P.Menace]
    #9138962 - 10/26/08 08:33 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

use baking soda, not baking powder (which is tartaric acid, baking soda, and cornstarch).
the point is to extract psilocin, not bake muffins :tongue:

5% sol'ns are sufficient: 5% acetic sol'n, 5% sodium bicarb sol'n

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: piracetam]
    #9138989 - 10/26/08 08:39 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I didnt say baking powder, but i did read where the guy mixed them up in the tek

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Since we want this to be as ?gentle? as possible, we will use baking powder as our base.  Prepare 200mL of distilled water and baking soda until the pH is about 8.0.  Add to the acidic solution, stirring regularly, until the pH reaches 8.0.  The crystals are now ?loose? in the solution and ripe for the plucking!



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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: P.Menace]
    #9139016 - 10/26/08 08:44 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

yep, that's what I was responding to; I knew you didn't say it


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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: piracetam]
    #9144046 - 10/27/08 07:23 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

hey have a look at this im not sure if it would work with psilocybin. its an easy way to get pure crystals

http://www.dmt-nexus.com/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=449&p=2

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: retrospect]
    #9144218 - 10/27/08 07:59 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

NO!  That won't work.  Fine for DMT, but not for psilocibin.

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Nature Boy]
    #9146594 - 10/28/08 03:20 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

yo piracetam :mushroom2:

I wondered when I would see a familiar.. I.P. :grin:


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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9148593 - 10/28/08 02:35 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

btw here´s the pic of the quick self made vacuum filter




just a small water bottle with a funnel and filter on top, tube coming out of the side.. then attach vacuum cleaner to this side tube and thats it

just make sure the end of the funnel goes deep inside the bottle and the side tube is much more up, or else the vacuum cleaner will start sucking the filtered liquid to it instead of just making it fall inside the water bottle

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Endlessness]
    #9150685 - 10/28/08 08:26 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Cheap hand powered as well as small electric vacuum pumps are both available.

A similar setup could easily be arranged with dual chambers using two quart jars.  That way you could simply suck on the tube with no risk of getting a mouthful of stuff or sucking your goods into a big old vacuum cleaner!

Indeed, your lungs and mouth can generate some pretty good negative pressure - no electricity or noise needed!

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Re: Psilocybin and psilocin crystals (pix) [Re: Nature Boy]
    #9152903 - 10/29/08 05:46 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

i found this an interesting read

http://deoxy.org/wiki/Mushrooms/Alkaloid_Extraction

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