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EEG scans and REM sleep
    #9069275 - 10/13/08 01:17 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

An EEG looks no different from waking brain state and REM sleep brain state.  And we spend 1/3 of hour lives asleep.  babys spend about 9 hours of rem sleep everyday.  Why is this so important, why is dreaming so evolutionarily important that it takes 1/3 of hour life.


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Re: EEG scans and REM sleep [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9069378 - 10/13/08 01:48 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

our brain needs time to process the information from the other 16 hours. life is hard work man and even our organic supercomputers need a break.

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Re: EEG scans and REM sleep [Re: JT]
    #9069394 - 10/13/08 01:53 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I know but why is the brain state of REM sleep and wake identical?  It seems like we live to sleep and we sleep to dream.  And that dreaming is where whats important happens.


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Re: EEG scans and REM sleep [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9069419 - 10/13/08 02:01 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

because sleep is essential to survival, recharging the body. I have an exam over this shit on Wednesday. I need more alcohol

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Re: EEG scans and REM sleep [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9069486 - 10/13/08 02:31 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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I know but why is the brain state of REM sleep and wake identical?  It seems like we live to sleep and we sleep to dream.  And that dreaming is where whats important happens.




they're not identical, merely similar. in both states the brain is highly active.

i would love to know exactly what it is the brain is doing during this phase and why it is so necessary.

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Re: EEG scans and REM sleep [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #9069492 - 10/13/08 02:34 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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I need more alcohol





never an understatement


as gillian sings about whiskey girls


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Re: EEG scans and REM sleep [Re: demiu5]
    #9069496 - 10/13/08 02:35 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I have had about 8 shots of rum and 8 beers and yet I dont feel like I am where I should be. I would feel like a dick if I finished my roomies bottle, I already killed 1/2 of it

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Re: EEG scans and REM sleep [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #9069500 - 10/13/08 02:38 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

i've had about 3/4 a fifth of good whiskey in 6 hours, and i'm pretty sure i'm beyond where i technically should be.  but after that pb&j, i'm not really seeing double with my eyes open

maybe thatmeans ineed more, or maybe that means ineed slseep.  who knws, right?


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Re: EEG scans and REM sleep [Re: demiu5]
    #9069514 - 10/13/08 02:42 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

rite. i drank like 1/2 my roomates bottle but im thinking about another couple shots. after all, i did BUY the shit

hahahha, alcohol.

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Re: EEG scans and REM sleep [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #9069517 - 10/13/08 02:44 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

i like your avatar.  i could go for some hot, un-protected monkey-sex right now.  then again, that's what got me into this mess to begin with


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Re: EEG scans and REM sleep [Re: demiu5]
    #9069520 - 10/13/08 02:47 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Im listening to Armin's remix of DJ Tiesto's- Insomnia.. fucking greattttt

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Re: EEG scans and REM sleep [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #9069526 - 10/13/08 02:50 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

REM sleep is like a system reboot. Unless you hit REM, you wake up still feeling shitty. Of course this information has been pulled out of my ass, but it sounds like a good answer. :shrug:


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Re: EEG scans and REM sleep [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #9069529 - 10/13/08 02:50 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

7 hour playlists of slow, melodic, musifc, ftw!


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Re: EEG scans and REM sleep [Re: demiu5]
    #9069536 - 10/13/08 02:53 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I have no idea how i survive sleeping like i do. I am still awake even tho i know i have to get up at 7am. Thats only 2 hours away! I have a full day ahead of me, and i just want to cry knowing how tired i will be again. Sleeping is such a waste of time.


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"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

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Re: EEG scans and REM sleep [Re: Kada]
    #9069539 - 10/13/08 02:54 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

if i could be asleep for the rest of my life and be hooked up to some sort of non-life spport life support, i totally would


my dream life is much more interesting than my real life


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Re: EEG scans and REM sleep [Re: demiu5]
    #9069554 - 10/13/08 03:00 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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i like your avatar.  i could go for some hot, un-protected monkey-sex right now.  then again, that's what got me into this mess to begin with




I gotta ask, I don't see an avatar :shrug:


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Re: EEG scans and REM sleep [Re: whattheheck]
    #9069573 - 10/13/08 03:08 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

pty on you; it's a moderately attractive chick getting some dick


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Re: EEG scans and REM sleep [Re: demiu5]
    #9069584 - 10/13/08 03:13 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

yeah shes pretty hawt, ill work on getting a full video. trust me, i got about 50 pm's requesting a link, so i will do my best :smirk:

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Re: EEG scans and REM sleep [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #9069761 - 10/13/08 05:27 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

this thread is way of topic. lol


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Re: EEG scans and REM sleep [Re: McMoney]
    #9069791 - 10/13/08 05:51 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

YEH so as for EEG scans.. dont try to understand them. They say that EEG tell us brain states.. all they tell us is how synchronised the overal firing of your brain is.

In both wakefulness and REM sleep, your brain is very active and thinking all over the place, so the EEG scan will show the same thing - unsynchronised brain activity, which looks like a signal of high frequency.

EEG sucks

it fools us into thinking we have found something. All it does it measure the escaping electrical fields form your brain. Well when you look at how big those receiver nodes are, and then you consider how many individual neurons there exist in your brain in the areas between the receivers.. you realise that there is no way that the EEG scan could be detecting a meaningful signal beyond indicating the relative activity going on in generalised brain areas


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