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Offlineb2x
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    #9064541 - 10/11/08 07:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

This is a little less about cultivation and little more about the mushrooms themselves.

I recently started growing two different strains, but side by side (separate trays but same FC - kind of).  Two GT jars and two Burma jars.  One burma (B1) and one GT (GT1) were fruited into FC1 and one burma (B2) and one GT (GT2) were fruited into FC2.

The Golden Teachers are the strain I normally grow.  I recently got my hands on some Burma spores, so I made a syringe, and thought it would be interesting to compare the two strains side by side.  Everything went well, Burma was (as per online info) as prescribed the fast colonizer people have claimed it is, and GT was the same old GT.  Everything was fine until the initial pins start showing.  The pins on the GT side were fine, they showed up (in stunning numbers) grew large, veils popped, and I harvested.  The Burmas on the other hand (from both FCs) showed the same pinning (less so than GT but still enough to keep me happy) but where the GT fruits were getting larger and larger, the Burma fruits popped their veils at roughly an inch tall.  I let them fruit for another 2 days and they grew only a miniscule amount.  I have since harvested all of them, since these mushrooms are clearly not getting any bigger.  I don't understand what could have happened, but I have read this can happen on the first flush, and that to remedy this one should dunk (By the way, everything was cased using the same casing CocoCoir Verm 50/50 batch).  I should also point out that the Burma mushrooms seemed very white, the heads of the mushrooms are still white, even after the veils had popped (keep in mind these mushrooms are only an inch tall - and they definitely didn't sporulate).

My question isn't how to avoid this.  As best as I can tell, no one has a solid answer as to why this happens because apparently everything from genetics to FC conditions can cause this sort of situation.  My current remedy is to dunk (by dunk I really just mean run water over them overnight) all 4 casings, and then compare the subsequent fruits.

My question is since these mushrooms are so small, should the friend I'm giving these to be dosing normally?  Ie weighing out 3.5 grams if the small mushrooms and dosing?  Or is it true what they say, that mushrooms reach their maximum potency as a pin and only gain water as they mature from pin to veil break?

I'm mostly worried that the friend I'm giving them to is going to eat 3.5 grams of these and actually receive a much larger dose of psilocybin.

Anyone that can answer this, please do.

Thanks a lot for reading.


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Re: Mini Mushrooms [Re: b2x]
    #9064559 - 10/11/08 07:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah if its all small mushrooms your friend will TRIP NUTS.

I took a miniwaffle, covered it in peanutbutter and syrup and put about half an eigth of mini mushrooms on there expecting a mild trip and was blown away. I tried to watch a movie and the movie was so intense I had to pause it every 5 minutes, get up and pace around. Then I started seeing pentacles in the mulch.

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Re: Mini Mushrooms [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #9064567 - 10/11/08 07:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

He's going to appreciate that.  Mostly, I didn't want him to fuck himself because of something I gave him, so thanks for answering.

Really appreciate it.


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Re: Mini Mushrooms [Re: b2x]
    #9064786 - 10/11/08 08:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

When the mushrooms are very small when they mature, it's either poor substrate choice, or insufficient moisture content.  If you used BRF, then it's the moisture content that caused the small fruits. 
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Re: Mini Mushrooms [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #9065048 - 10/11/08 10:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Wow. Just because a shroom is small, in no way indicates it will be more potent than a larger one.

A mushroom is not more potent at all as a pin head. You can not eat the 1 inch pin head of an eventual 6 gram dry monster, and expect it to feel like a quarter ounce. It will in fact, feel just like a pin head should, which is nothing by itself.

When a shroom gets larger, the DENSITY of actives per weight decreases, but the actual amount of actives INCREASES.  A single shroom, by itself, will get you higher AFTER the viel breaks, as opposed to before hand, because its' just bigger and has been allowed to mature. There is not, and never will be substantial evidence to disprove this, and if someone says there is, they clearly misunderstood what I said. I will stop there.


1 big mature shroom will get you higher than 1 little pin head, end of story.


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Re: Mini Mushrooms [Re: T2K_Rusty]
    #9065675 - 10/12/08 05:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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1 big mature shroom will get you higher than 1 little pin head, end of story




Of course.  What is not disputable is that smaller mushrooms are more potent by weight than larger ones.  If the total weights are equal, you're far better off with a flush of lots of small fruits, than a flush of a few large ones, and that's a fact.
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Re: Mini Mushrooms [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #9097247 - 10/18/08 06:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Just as a small update to this thread, the small mushrooms were indeed caused by poor moisture content (as was pointed out by RR).  I dunked the Burma casings, and the mushrooms are now all across the board growing in normal sizes.

I've never dunked a casing before, but I have to say everyone who has been promoting the benefits of dunking are really spot on.  This is easily the best second flush pinset I've ever had (off of casings made from single half pint cakes).  And the fruits seem to be larger as well.

Anyway, thanks again for the info and suggestions.


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Re: Mini Mushrooms [Re: b2x]
    #9097341 - 10/18/08 06:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I have bookmarked this for the next time someone questions dunking.


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