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Re: This depression is going to kill me if psychedelics/therapy can't end it [Re: Entersandman]
    #9065657 - 10/12/08 04:49 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah psychedelics might show you how to change, but they are not going to do the work for you. You gotta put the extra effort in. I used to have depression and went on some SSRIs, which helped cure the depression, but change me into a person I didn't like. I stopped taking the antidepressants abrubtly and went through some pretty shit withdrawals and straight back into depression.

A mescaline experience gave me a pretty good understanding of what was going on, and so I decided I needed to change my life. The steps I needed to take were alot of hard work for me, especially giving up pot for a long while, lol. I don't suffer from depression anymore, even though I still get a few off days every month or so, it's a hell of alot better. One thing that really does help as people mentioned above is exercise. I started surfing everyday which left me with a great feeling for the whole day. I basically thought of surfing as my anti depressant. And I also got a job so I didn't spend all day sitting around at home doing nothing. I can't say this will work for you, but it's what I needed.


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Re: This depression is going to kill me if psychedelics/therapy can't end it [Re: Entersandman]
    #9065688 - 10/12/08 05:28 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Take a look into medicinal mushrooms if you want to try mushrooms. They seem to do wonderful things. Non-psychedelic.


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Re: This depression is going to kill me if psychedelics/therapy can't end it [Re: arpnuke]
    #9065718 - 10/12/08 05:49 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Change your settings and get out of the rhythm of depression. 

I recommend nature

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Go camping for a weekend.

Go for a hike and bring buddah to burn.  (always cheers me up)

Go to the beach

Adopt a pet.  A dog that loves you is a precious thing. 

I think you need to jostle yourself out of bad habits that add to your depressed nature.  Be the change you want to see in your life. 

The bottom line that a bunch of people have said, is that drugs are not going to cure your situation.  Nor will shrinks.  Shrinks simply nudge your line of thinking onto track, but the thoughts are yours to begin with.  You don't need them.


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Re: This depression is going to kill me if psychedelics/therapy can't end it [Re: dothedew69]
    #9065727 - 10/12/08 05:56 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

ok, you can call me naive, dumb, or whatever...but what the hell is depression? I mean this in a philosophical way, not in a Western medicine clinical "science" way.

It seems to me that depression would be a healthy response to the conditions we in the West are raised in...to an extent.
Being pushed into a rat race, and dealing with the injustices of consumer capitalism and all of that...if someone dealt with that stuff happily, that's what I would call a disorder.

Basically, I'd say some Mdma can help the most for realizing what we as individuals and as a society can be...but we are so far gone from that ideal that I totally understand how people can get depressed, perhaps I am myself to a fair extent.

Anyways, good luck. Some of the greatest minds this world has ever known ever gone through periods of depression verging on suicide, many have found their God and been inspired to tell their story.

I don't want to downplay the seriousness of the matter, but I also don't want to feed into the western clinical model of "depressed" vs. "normal". I think all that is an oversimplification.

Don't listen to doctors. Think deeply about what sort of a of system they've been sent through, and that should cure you of any blind faith you may have in our medical system. There's more hope in that statement than I'm probably conveying. Trust yourself, your intuition, your inner-voice, your conscience, or whatever, over all else.


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Re: This depression is going to kill me if psychedelics/therapy can't end it [Re: anyone420]
    #9065741 - 10/12/08 06:06 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Life is filled with suffering, all brought on by ourselves.  You have no idea how powerful and helpful Buddhist teachings would be to a person in your mind-set.

I recommend you find the nearest Mahayana Buddhist Center near you (they're quite numerous) and go to a few meetings. At least check it out online.   Try buddhanet.net.

Between the meditation and dharma principals you will discover all the teks you need to control your depression and negative self and world-view.  I promise!!!

Be well,

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Re: This depression is going to kill me if psychedelics/therapy can't end it [Re: Nature Boy]
    #9065783 - 10/12/08 06:43 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

psychedelics don't cure depression, they MAY help just as they may make it worse.

And I'd say anyone420's advcice is a very good one!

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Re: This depression is going to kill me if psychedelics/therapy can't end it [Re: Entersandman]
    #9066183 - 10/12/08 10:24 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

you're into depression cuz it matches your eyes


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Re: This depression is going to kill me if psychedelics/therapy can't end it [Re: StreetFreak]
    #9066359 - 10/12/08 11:22 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

It's not something to get into it's something you become involuntarily.


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Re: This depression is going to kill me if psychedelics/therapy can't end it [Re: Mark_W]
    #9066761 - 10/12/08 01:56 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Mark_W said:
ok, you can call me naive, dumb, or whatever...but what the hell is depression? I mean this in a philosophical way, not in a Western medicine clinical "science" way.

It seems to me that depression would be a healthy response to the conditions we in the West are raised in...to an extent.
Being pushed into a rat race, and dealing with the injustices of consumer capitalism and all of that...if someone dealt with that stuff happily, that's what I would call a disorder.

Basically, I'd say some Mdma can help the most for realizing what we as individuals and as a society can be...but we are so far gone from that ideal that I totally understand how people can get depressed, perhaps I am myself to a fair extent.

Anyways, good luck. Some of the greatest minds this world has ever known ever gone through periods of depression verging on suicide, many have found their God and been inspired to tell their story.

I don't want to downplay the seriousness of the matter, but I also don't want to feed into the western clinical model of "depressed" vs. "normal". I think all that is an oversimplification.

Don't listen to doctors. Think deeply about what sort of a of system they've been sent through, and that should cure you of any blind faith you may have in our medical system. There's more hope in that statement than I'm probably conveying. Trust yourself, your intuition, your inner-voice, your conscience, or whatever, over all else.




I can't point out how wrong you actually are. Do you realize its a disease of the mind? You cannot control any aspect of it, and many of us are left with very little energy and motivation to do the things we need to do to change our lifestyle.

Depression is definitely a serious matter, and I do believe that psychs can help depression, because I have experienced it first hand. It hasn't "cured" me, but so far I have regained normal sleeping habits and lots of lost energy.

Aside from that, just changing your surroundings, friends, and habits can also break you from depression. I am definitely going to start exercising after reading through this thread though. It has given me a lot of insight.


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Re: This depression is going to kill me if psychedelics/therapy can't end it [Re: ReefaCheefa]
    #9066897 - 10/12/08 02:34 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Every emotion you feel is caused by some chemical in your brain, such as happiness, love, etc. Depression = that you have a level of whatever chemical is released when u are happy that is not considered normal. That is why you take anti depressants.


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Re: This depression is going to kill me if psychedelics/therapy can't end it [Re: ReefaCheefa]
    #9066940 - 10/12/08 02:43 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

ReefaCheefa said:
Do you realize its a disease of the mind? You cannot control any aspect of it...




These are the common western medical "science" assertions that I'm calling into question. I think we have more control over depression than the medical establishment would suggest. We in the West are a culture of popping pills to treat whatever "disease" (uncontrollable by us, but conveniently very controlable with pharmaceuticals), or so we are told).


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Re: This depression is going to kill me if psychedelics/therapy can't end it [Re: Sammitch24]
    #9066975 - 10/12/08 02:52 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Sammitch24 said:
Every emotion you feel is caused by some chemical in your brain, such as happiness, love, etc. Depression = that you have a level of whatever chemical is released when u are happy that is not considered normal. That is why you take anti depressants.




This is the kind of oversimplification that doesn't really satisfy, as people are comprised of spirit and matter. Our thoughts affect our happiness just as happiness affects our thoughts.

Go to erowid and read reports by people who've been prescribed anti-depressants, its certainly not as cut and dried as you are presenting it. Most of the time they report the drug doing more harm to them than good.


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Re: This depression is going to kill me if psychedelics/therapy can't end it [Re: Hiei]
    #9067046 - 10/12/08 03:16 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Hiei said:
psychedelics don't cure depression, they MAY help just as they may make it worse.




Agreed.

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PS: buddhism FTW!




Forgive my ignorance, but what does FTW stand for?

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Re: This depression is going to kill me if psychedelics/therapy can't end it [Re: Entersandman]
    #9067065 - 10/12/08 03:21 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I, like many of the posters here, agree that psychedelics won't help your depression for it comes down to what you're willing to do about it.
I'm a tripper, I thought the same things you did. I still find myself depressed and you must realize that you have to put in all the hard work necessary to better yourself. I wish I followed my own advice but it's harder than you think to just up and change something about yourself.
Best of luck man


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Re: This depression is going to kill me if psychedelics/therapy can't end it [Re: arpnuke]
    #9067092 - 10/12/08 03:30 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I stopped dosing mushrooms for now until my life is better... They made me depressed even as low as 1 gram.

I would NOT take mushrooms if you are depressed, especially if you have an easy way of killing yourself in the house. When you dose while you have depression you get WAY depressed during the trip,  once you come out of that you feel soooo refreshed that you arent depressed any more... Its kind of like hitting the bottom before you see the light or some shit...


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Re: This depression is going to kill me if psychedelics/therapy can't end it [Re: Angel_Above]
    #9067103 - 10/12/08 03:34 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

it stands for "for the win", meaning "it's the best" kinda! :thumbup:


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Re: This depression is going to kill me if psychedelics/therapy can't end it [Re: Hiei]
    #9067286 - 10/12/08 04:41 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Hey! I didnt take time to read all these advices, but I didnt see the SEX word anywhere. Good sex can heal all kinds of problems, and lack of good sex causes such a shitty feeling, that nothing can cure.

oh and before having sex :

7-9 hours of sleep every day
3-4 eating times per day (breakfast, lunch etc) (milk/bread/vegetables/fish n so on.. )
3-5 times of exercise per week. 30-45 mins of jogging, or anything that will make you sweat is great and will produce some nutrients that will make you feel like after dosing a litta bit of opiates :smile:
quit smoking
drink less alcohol or none at all
read a book :laugh:
watch good movie

Your body wants to play music, its a huge loudspeaker. Heart is bumping and your voice adds the lyrics. Everything you do dayly must happen at the same time. all kinds of routines will make you feel so good and powerful, wake up every day at the same time for example.
trust me, it works. you can still be bepressed maybe, but at least you have the soil to grow happiness plant in your sunny-body temple, if its being kept clean

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Re: This depression is going to kill me if psychedelics/therapy can't end it [Re: Entersandman]
    #9067335 - 10/12/08 04:56 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Hi

I would suggest to stop with Mushrooms for a while Shrooms can have the Effect that it makes you feel that the normal world is so stupid, so plane, that can make you even more depressed.

I read many reports about people taking for instance a small dose of the Vine every day and the motherly healing Effet of the Aya helped thes Persons.

Also i would suggest to go to a Shaman or Healer, that doesnt only see the Symptoms but looks in to your Heart and can see what could be th right ting for you. I have also read Reports of people getting healed from Depressions through Shamans and Shamanic Journeys.

Much Strenght and Light

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Re: This depression is going to kill me if psychedelics/therapy can't end it [Re: Hiei]
    #9067572 - 10/12/08 06:04 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Ok..thanks.  I've also seen "fuck the world" as an acronym for FTW, and was wondering.

FWIW, Buddhism is the first philososopy (I'm reluctant to call it a religion) that has made good sense to me.  Really changed my life for the better, in VERY significant, real terms.  Never thought I'd say that.

I am very reluctant to be an "missionary man" or espouse any philosophy, but in the case of the OP, I feel that a change in perspective, the kind offered by Buddhist principles, has the potential to be a really healing attitude.  I'm as surprised as the next guy...and my underlying reason for exploring this attitude change was cancer, not depression!  Shit, I'd take depresion over the big "C" any day.

Luckily, I appear to be fine (one year out and counting) and believe it or not, I'm happier than I've ever been.  Buddhism, meditation, and psychedelics.  Pretty good combo!

Be well, all.  :peace:

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Re: This depression is going to kill me if psychedelics/therapy can't end it [Re: Nature Boy]
    #9067653 - 10/12/08 06:25 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Im with Mark_W on this one - depression is mostly a fad. Being depressed is a normal human emotion. But we live in an abnormal human world that has advanced far past our species itself, which is still designed to live a village life full of personal goals and group convictions, where each person finds a place and maintains their self-esteem daily.

It is the world we live in, the weird expectations of our parents, the number of superficial comparisons made amongst us for pride or power. the lack of time each person receives from one and another. (due to the number of people in our lives) The number of categories that exist and the number of ways things can fit into them all (us included)

This leads to depression

but depressed people can be so up themselves with their 'disorder'. Maybe it is the parents who manually 'disorder' their children but in general, the people I know who are depressed are really normal - they just have whacked up ways of percieving and valuing themselves.

These are the things we can rethink best while on psychedelics because these drugs de-gown us of our ego and allow us to revalue ourselves from the inside out.

but you cant just take the drug and get cured.

anti-depressants can work - they can stop a person thinking in negative thought patterns by simply buffering all of their thoughts.

But thats just covering up the real issues, which are those values that depressed people develop. Whether they develop them in childhood as a means to know their value to their parents, or if they develop them in adolescence in their struggle to find a place and be confident in their belief about themself.

Sometimes we can be more confident in our beliefs of ourselves if they are depressing beliefs because by doing nothing, we are basically able to confirm any depressed belief we have of ourselves.. whereas developing positive belief in ourselves requires a lot of effort - a lot more effort for people who have deeply ingrained depressive beliefs


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