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Ron Paul
    #9059720 - 10/10/08 04:20 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)



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:drooling:GIVE ME OPIATES OR GIVE ME DEATH:drooling:

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Re: Ron Paul [Re: aDoS]
    #9059744 - 10/10/08 04:26 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

One of the greatest minds of all time. :cool:


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Re: Ron Paul [Re: aDoS]
    #9059747 - 10/10/08 04:26 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

a man who speaks the truth


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Re: Ron Paul [Re: aDoS]
    #9059751 - 10/10/08 04:28 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Just another politician. :shrug:


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Re: Ron Paul [Re: Lion]
    #9059785 - 10/10/08 04:38 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I like him, but NO ONE I know in real life knows who he is.


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:drooling:GIVE ME OPIATES OR GIVE ME DEATH:drooling:

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Re: Ron Paul [Re: aDoS]
    #9059799 - 10/10/08 04:40 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I like him, but he's got a lot to learn about politics.

(His soul is not dead enough yet.)


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Re: Ron Paul [Re: aDoS]
    #9059836 - 10/10/08 04:49 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Have y'all checked out

http://www.campaignforliberty.com

yet???

He's the only totally honest politician alive I have seen.

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Re: Ron Paul [Re: Mr.Al]
    #9059855 - 10/10/08 04:51 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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He's the only totally honest politician alive I have seen.




>>He's the only totally honest politician
>>totally honest politician
>>honest politician

Sorry, I couldn't hear you over the drowning noise of oxymoron coming from your post.


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Re: Ron Paul [Re: deCypher]
    #9059867 - 10/10/08 04:53 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

:lol:
Seriously Al, don't fool yourself.


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Re: Ron Paul [Re: jewunit]
    #9059926 - 10/10/08 05:03 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Last time I checked, the only President in recent history that wanted to get rid of the Federal Reserve was assassinated.  Ron Paul wrote up H.R. 2755.  I hardly think a congressman who introduces legislation to end the Federal Reserve has sold out.  He has never voted against the Constitution. Check out his voting record.  He is clean.  If he is not clean he deserves an Oscar for his acting performance.  As to my grammar, I've been out of school for awhile.  I think there are more important things to focus on right now.

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Re: Ron Paul [Re: aDoS]
    #9059943 - 10/10/08 05:05 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

:ilold:

i vote ron paul for president.



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Re: Ron Paul [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #9059999 - 10/10/08 05:14 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

wow i hated that video

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Re: Ron Paul [Re: Atheist]
    #9060040 - 10/10/08 05:22 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

i think there's a point to be had.


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Re: Ron Paul [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #9060132 - 10/10/08 05:46 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

He has been against  the Drug War for over thirty years.  He wants to get us back to the gold standard for currency.  He always votes to get government out of our lives.  Ron Paul is for real freedom.  Not freedom fries.  The only view he's changed over the years is capital punishment.  After he found out how many executed prisoners were exonerated later by D.N.A. evidence he was no longer for it.

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Re: Ron Paul [Re: Mr.Al]
    #9060164 - 10/10/08 05:52 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I wish he was still in the running.  I'm going to write him in when I go vote.  Fuck those other two schmucks.


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Re: Ron Paul [Re: Ogre812]
    #9060170 - 10/10/08 05:56 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

It was B.S. that he wasn't allowed into the later debates.  There's information circulating that McCain lost in New Hampshire...  Thousands of people in New Hampshire are pissed because they voted for Ron Paul's nomination when the "official" vote says Dr. Paul only had 300 in the entire state.

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Re: Ron Paul [Re: Mr.Al]
    #9060179 - 10/10/08 05:57 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Imagine that, huh?


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Re: Ron Paul [Re: Ogre812]
    #9060194 - 10/10/08 06:00 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah figure the odds.  They keep acting stupid and we will have to exercise our second amendment rights.

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Re: Ron Paul [Re: Mr.Al]
    #9060286 - 10/10/08 06:28 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Ron Paul...If you watch his videos you will clearly see that over the years his views haven't changed. He's basically just too extreme. We need this man in office, but he needs to give on his end as well. Some of his things like get rid of taxes, and shit like this.

Well, I enjoy knowing that there is law enforcement catching murderers, I enjoy knowing that if I have a wreck as I did that someone will be there to save my life. Where would these funds come from?

I think we need taxes, but the government needs to find a better way to implement them.


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Re: Ron Paul [Re: Mr.Al]
    #9060297 - 10/10/08 06:29 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Last time I checked, the only President in recent history that wanted to get rid of the Federal Reserve was assassinated.  Ron Paul wrote up H.R. 2755.  I hardly think a congressman who introduces legislation to end the Federal Reserve has sold out.  He has never voted against the Constitution. Check out his voting record.  He is clean.  If he is not clean he deserves an Oscar for his acting performance.  As to my grammar, I've been out of school for awhile.  I think there are more important things to focus on right now.




Save it, I was on the Ron Paul wagon long before the primaries. I've read all that shit. It's still politics, and it's still a fucking joke.


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Re: Ron Paul [Re: MHbound]
    #9060300 - 10/10/08 06:30 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Well, I enjoy knowing that there is law enforcement catching murderers




Do you enjoy knowing that there is law enforcement putting people in jail for smoking a plant?


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Re: Ron Paul [Re: aDoS]
    #9060301 - 10/10/08 06:30 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

It's funny how he was so hard to find on the major networks during the primaries but now that economic calamity has struck he is all over both FOX and CNN. :grin:

He seemed so crazy a few short months ago when he was saying the country is in severe economic trouble. Now he looks like a prophet.


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Re: Ron Paul [Re: MHbound]
    #9060322 - 10/10/08 06:35 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I'm sure you've been watching the declining value of the dollar.  Canadian currency is worth more.  The federal reserve bankers are economic terrorists.  Not very many politicians speak out against the federal reserve.  Fiat currency is the reason why government has grown out of control.  We have over 700 military bases overseas.  Our  military empire and military industrial complex are bankrupting this nation.  Funding emergency responders really wouldn't be difficult if we destroyed entire departments of the federal government.  As to law, I think volunteer police forces of good people that bear arms would be splendid and would also act to defend this republic against domestic terrorists (read: crooked politicians, federal reserve bankers, and the like).

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Re: Ron Paul [Re: deCypher]
    #9060498 - 10/10/08 07:17 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I know...Like I said some of his views are extreme.

I think there should be law enforcement, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't think there should be such a thing...But with Ron Paul would come legalized marijuana...He has said so 10000000 times.

So, like I said, he has to give some...So do we.


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Re: Ron Paul [Re: jewunit]
    #9060581 - 10/10/08 07:39 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Ahem

Doctor Ron Paul

EDIT: I think the point of the good dr's message is to now educate people on the evils of fiat currency and fractional banking. I believe in my heart that the federal reserve bank (privately owned bank) is at the root of many if not most of our problems. Obama and McCain voted for the Fed bailout which should tell you that they are definitely not thinking about dissolving the central bank even though every economist and professor says thats the way we should go.

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Re: Ron Paul [Re: acromonium]
    #9060588 - 10/10/08 07:41 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Ahem

Doctor Ron Paul




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Re: Ron Paul [Re: Entropymancer]
    #9060639 - 10/10/08 07:58 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

:rofl:

Seriously guys, just give it up. He's an extremist, and extremists get no where in this world except killed if they manage to gain power.


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Re: Ron Paul [Re: jewunit]
    #9060802 - 10/10/08 08:48 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Ron Paul, could be a great leader, if the current society worked as it is wrote down on paper.  Paper isn't worth the time or money it's wrote down on, its a simple physiological game the elite class can play on most of Society to Control without rebellion. Until History decides to Repeat itself; perhaps.


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Re: Ron Paul [Re: jewunit]
    #9061143 - 10/10/08 10:38 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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:rofl:

Seriously guys, just give it up. He's an extremist, and extremists get no where in this world except killed if they manage to gain power.




It is a sign of how far we have departed from common sense that returning to the Constitution and basic principles is seen an crazy.


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Re: Ron Paul [Re: zorbman]
    #9061168 - 10/10/08 10:47 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

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:rofl:

Seriously guys, just give it up. He's an extremist, and extremists get no where in this world except killed if they manage to gain power.




It is a sign of how far we have departed from common sense that returning to the Constitution and basic principles is seen an crazy.




Yeah, I was explaining it to someone who hadn't heard of Ron Paul the other day: He's a congressman who has the wacky idea that when the founding fathers wrote the constitution, they actually meant it. Sounds nuts, huh?

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Re: Ron Paul [Re: Entropymancer]
    #9061409 - 10/11/08 12:14 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Personally I think the idea that the Constitution is actually something worth sticking to at this day in age is ridiculous.
Times have drastically changed, even if this is still a relatively young country.
Great, he thinks sticking strictly to the Constitution is the way to go.
And I think that's ridiculous. Therefor, he is an extremist.


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    #9061418 - 10/11/08 12:17 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Believing in the seperation of powers laid out in the constitution is an extremist view? No wonder this country has turned into the shithole that it is.

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Re: Ron Paul [Re: Entropymancer]
    #9061421 - 10/11/08 12:18 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

The UK is doing fine.

I find the notion of sticking to a 200+ year old document when the modern world is far different is extremist.


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Re: Ron Paul [Re: jewunit]
    #9061424 - 10/11/08 12:19 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Exaclty what parts of the constitution do you find rediculous, or extremist?

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    #9061427 - 10/11/08 12:20 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Man, I'm so intelligent I can see into the future and answer your questions before you pose them!


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Re: Ron Paul [Re: jewunit]
    #9061431 - 10/11/08 12:21 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

If anyone says Ron Paul is just another senator, then they obviously do NOT follow politics. Ron Paul is the greatest man in the government today. If he called for a rebellion of the current government and started recruiting, I would be the first person in line. If he was president of America, i might actually feel proud to be an American. I love my countrymen, but this government has got to go!

Ron Paul is an American by definition the day the constitution was signed, and i would rejoice to god that a man of honor was finally in the white house.


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Re: Ron Paul [Re: jewunit]
    #9061436 - 10/11/08 12:22 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Man, I'm so intelligent I can see into the future and answer your questions before you pose them!




:confused:

Are you referring to:
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I find the notion of sticking to a 200+ year old document when the modern world is far different is extremist."




That's not a part of the constitution.  If following that 200+ year old document is rediculous, then there must be a part of it to which you object... what would that be, exactly?

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Re: Ron Paul [Re: Entropymancer]
    #9061450 - 10/11/08 12:27 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Hey man no need to take my jokes so seriously.

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No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years



Why?

Or essentially creating a document that vests power in the people, but also sets up a system that doesn't allow the people to directly elect the most powerful person in the system.

Don't get me wrong, there are many many good and great things about the Constitution, but I really think we could come up with far better ways to run a government this day in age. It still wouldn't be perfect because politics are, and always will be, a huge joke, but I think we're smart enough that we could improve upon it.

And I think Ron Paul could contribute greatly to such a change. But to deny he's a fucking wingbat is ridiculous in my mind.


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    #9061476 - 10/11/08 12:37 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

What makes him a wingbat?  The fact that he believes in state's rights? The fact that he opposes the war on drugs?  The fact that he recognizes the Federal Reserve as a terrible mistake that's led directly to the absurb economic state we live in now, where we live functioning entirely on debt?

And for the record, I think that requiring all representatives to be at least 25 is a very good idea.  While people are legally adults at the age of 21, I've yet to meet anyone of that age who is matured in their views.  25 seems like a very reasonable age.

I'll agree the electoral college is a joke, and that popular vote makes more sense.  But these sorts of issues can be addressed by amendments, rather than scrapping the whole system.

To me, the idea that we ought to scrap the constitution entirely and draw up a whole new system of government seems far more extremist than Ron Paul's constitutional platform.  I'd even go so far as to say that anyone who believes we ought to scrap the constitution is a fucking rediculous wingbat.

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Re: Ron Paul [Re: Entropymancer]
    #9061485 - 10/11/08 12:42 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

There is far more to a person than their political beliefs. And I won't deny the fact that my knowledge of economics is SEVERLY limited. I'm also of the personal belief that the concept of money itself is about as comedic as politics. It totally destroys any concept of value to me, but that's really neither here nor there.

If you think someone who is running for any office who is under 25 and isn't deserving of being in office, then don't vote or them. Simple, right? Why make it so they can't run at all?

There comes a point when making infinite amounts of amendments to the Constitution is ridiculous. We could take a strong base from the Constitution and make a better government in my opinion. And yes, it's a pretty extremist view. I also don't plan on running for president, so who fuckin' cares if I'm an extremist?


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    #9061510 - 10/11/08 12:53 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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If you think someone who is running for any office who is under 25 and isn't deserving of being in office, then don't vote or them. Simple, right? Why make it so they can't run at all?




Because they're far more susceptable to fundamentally change their beliefs while in office, and begin legislating from a position very different from the the one they held while running for office.  Why make it so a barely-adult highly susceptable to fundamental changes in their own beliefs can run for office?  Is there some reason that waiting until they're 25 poses a big problem?

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There comes a point when making infinite amounts of amendments to the Constitution is ridiculous.




Infiinite amendments?  On average, there's a new amendment every 14 years... that hardly seems like an unreasonable amount. 

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We could take a strong base from the Constitution and make a better government in my opinion. And yes, it's a pretty extremist view. Who fuckin' cares if I'm an extremist?




It matters if you're an extremist, because you're calling someone who believes we should stick to a solid conservative foundation a "wingnut" and an "extremist".  Admitting that you have an extremist bias yourself puts those acusations in an appropriate context.

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Re: Ron Paul [Re: Entropymancer]
    #9061661 - 10/11/08 02:00 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Ron Paul [Re: jewunit]
    #9061667 - 10/11/08 02:02 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Really though the biggest turn off Ron Paul has to me, and this is why I think he's fucking crazy, is because it doesn't seem like it would be possible to just sit down and have a discussion about politics with the guy. It seems like he's always fucking yelling, and even belittling, anyone who doesn't agree with him. That isn't going to get much done.


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Re: Ron Paul [Re: aDoS]
    #9061668 - 10/11/08 02:02 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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I like him, but NO ONE I know in real life knows who he is.




Come to Boulder, people actually discuss his views and stand out on corners encouraging others to vote for him.

Well, they did for the 8 minutes that he was in the race.

If he ever got anywhere near the top, he'd turn coat or he'd get snuffed.


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Re: Ron Paul [Re: jewunit]
    #9061973 - 10/11/08 04:37 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Really though the biggest turn off Ron Paul has to me, and this is why I think he's fucking crazy, is because it doesn't seem like it would be possible to just sit down and have a discussion about politics with the guy. It seems like he's always fucking yelling, and even belittling, anyone who doesn't agree with him. That isn't going to get much done.




Really? I find him to be fairly polite and logical when explaining his ideas. I always find it's his opponents that belittle him.

I don't see why you have such a personal vendetta against people supporting him. You think his views are extremist, well that's all relative, isn't it? I think throwing people behind bars for doing drugs and believing beyond all rationality that we can still win a lost war are extremist views.:shrug:


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Re: Ron Paul [Re: wildchild68]
    #9062011 - 10/11/08 05:20 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

There's nothing wrong with the constitution. It's such a perfect document for running a peaceful and strong country that many foreign nations have modeled their own systems after it. It really was a stroke of genius, and I love my country mostly because I recognize the genius behind its foundations.

It's been a long and arduous process but powermongers have made mincemeat out of the constitution even as it sits in a museum for all to see. I really do respect Ron Paul for his views, but I can't support him in the present climate; it's a testament to how fucked up the country has become that his ideas sound outrageous, appear unworkable, and gloss with a hopelessly small part of the population.


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Re: Ron Paul [Re: whattheheck]
    #9062635 - 10/11/08 11:02 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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whattheheck said:
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aDoS said:
I like him, but NO ONE I know in real life knows who he is.




Come to Boulder, people actually discuss his views and stand out on corners encouraging others to vote for him.

Well, they did for the 8 minutes that he was in the race.

If he ever got anywhere near the top, he'd turn coat or he'd get snuffed.




I live in New Mexico and a lot of people here supported Ron Paul. There were campaign signs everywhere you looked in the town I live in. I think he even got a good percentage of the vote in NM maybe not though. If you talk politics here its always so and so might be alright but it would've been great to have Ron Paul win.

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Re: Ron Paul [Re: wildchild68]
    #9062650 - 10/11/08 11:06 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't see why you have such a personal vendetta against people supporting him.




I don't.
And I don't completely disagree with everything he believes in, but a lot of people are jumping to conclusions on my beliefs here.

In fact if you'd read the thread you would see I said I was on the Ron Paul wagon long before the primaries, and no where have I said I got off it. I'm just turned off by him as a person.


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