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The Most Bizarre Journalistic Malpractice Yet?(AP Claims Linking Ayers with Obama is Racist)
#9033831 - 10/05/08 06:15 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's a contender, anyway: the Associated Press claims that Sarah Palin's criticism of Barack Obama's relationship with Bill Ayers was racist!
The AP's article is an "analysis" by one Douglass K. Daniel, described as "a writer and editor with the Washington bureau of The Associated Press." It has to be read to be believed:
By claiming that Democrat Barack Obama is "palling around with terrorists" and doesn't see the U.S. like other Americans, vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin targeted key goals for a faltering campaign. And though she may have scored a political hit each time, her attack was unsubstantiated and carried a racially tinged subtext that John McCain himself may come to regret. ... Her reference to Obama's relationship with William Ayers, a member of the Vietnam-era Weather Underground, was exaggerated at best if not outright false. No evidence shows they were "pals" or even close when they worked on community boards years ago and Ayers hosted a political event for Obama early in his career. ...
Palin's words avoid repulsing voters with overt racism. But is there another subtext for creating the false image of a black presidential nominee "palling around" with terrorists while assuring a predominantly white audience that he doesn't see their America?
In a post-Sept. 11 America, terrorists are envisioned as dark-skinned radical Muslims, not the homegrown anarchists of Ayers' day 40 years ago. With Obama a relative unknown when he began his campaign, the Internet hummed with false e-mails about ties to radical Islam of a foreign-born candidate.
Whether intended or not by the McCain campaign, portraying Obama as "not like us" is another potential appeal to racism. It suggests that the Hawaiian-born Christian is, at heart, un-American.
Most troubling, however, is how allowing racism to creep into the discussion serves McCain's purpose so well. ...
John McCain occasionally looks back on decisions with regret. He has apologized for opposing a holiday to honor Martin Luther King Jr. He has apologized for refusing to call for the removal of a Confederate flag from South Carolina's Capitol.
When the 2008 campaign is over McCain might regret appeals such as Palin's perhaps more so if he wins.
When the McCain campaign ran an ad that had a white woman in it, it was denounced as racist. When it ran an ad that had an African-American man (Franklin Raines) in it, it was denounced as racist. Now the McCain campaign links Obama to a white man, the former terrorist, and still anti-American, Bill Ayers. That's racist too. I think we've exhausted just about all the possibilities. The only non-racist thing McCain can do, apparently, is concede the election.
There once was a time when the Associated Press was a respected news-gathering agency. Some years ago, it began to abandon that mission in order to transform itself into a liberal advocacy organization. That transformation is now pretty much complete.
2008 will be remembered, I think, as the year in which the collapse of traditional American media became irreversible. The AP has plenty of company.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/10/021696.php
"Her attack was unsubstantiated and carried a racially tinged subtext that John McCain himself may come to regret. If you want to start throwing fire bombs, you don’t send out the fluffy bunny to do it."
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Terrorists are a race?
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Re: The Most Bizarre Journalistic Malpractice Yet?(AP Claims Linking Ayers with Obama is Racist) [Re: lonestar2004]
#9034032 - 10/05/08 07:03 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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While I don't agree that it was a totally racial attack, I do think that the first thing most Americans think of when they hear terrorist now is Middle Eastern Decent/ Muslims. And they aren't exactly the most popular people as of right now.
If I were a republican strategist I would keep driving home the "terrorist" thing, which I'm sure they will.
I definitely disagree with the actions Ayers took, but I also disagreed with the Vietnam war.
So on this one I am kind of torn. I can see where the profiling stance comes and I can see Ayers stance, but not to the level he took it. I don't know if I would exactly call Ayers a terrorist, he was more anti government, it had nothing to do with the American people, right?
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Re: The Most Bizarre Journalistic Malpractice Yet?(AP Claims Linking Ayers with Obama is Racist) [Re: lonestar2004]
#9034075 - 10/05/08 07:11 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I saw that. Here's a little more info. Apparently AP was a little embarrassed by the original title. http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/31480_Fluffy_Bunnies-_Harmless
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In the latest revision, they’ve changed the headline from “Analysis: Palin’s words carry racial tinge” to: Analysis: Palin’s words may backfire on McCain.
Also, Goldstein brutalizes the retard who wrote this in a very long, link filled dissection. http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=13375#comments
Ya know, you keep hearing all these poor poor pitiful me things out of Barry and his stoolies you might start to get the impression that they're professional grievance mongers. (Oops is that some kind of secret racist code? My bad)
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Re: The Most Bizarre Journalistic Malpractice Yet?(AP Claims Linking Ayers with Obama is Racist) [Re: pinkfloydms]
#9034099 - 10/05/08 07:18 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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pinkfloydms said: While I don't agree that it was a totally racial attack, I do think that the first thing most Americans think of when they hear terrorist now is Middle Eastern Decent/ Muslims. And they aren't exactly the most popular people as of right now.
If I were a republican strategist I would keep driving home the "terrorist" thing, which I'm sure they will.
I definitely disagree with the actions Ayers took, but I also disagreed with the Vietnam war.
So on this one I am kind of torn. I can see where the profiling stance comes and I can see Ayers stance, but not to the level he took it. I don't know if I would exactly call Ayers a terrorist, he was more anti government, it had nothing to do with the American people, right?
Oh please. http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZDJhM2ViZWVkODIxMGUzOTcxMGJhYmVlODVjZTY1ZGY=
Just read it. He's a domestic terrorist just like Palin said. Are we really to such a point where speaking the 100% accurate truth is to be avoided because there is an assumption of idiocy in the listener. Further, like I put forth in another thread, there will be plenty of mental defectives on this site who would cheer on Ayers and his ilk but there is still the matter of his association with Barry, which Barry himself is lying about to put distance between them.
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Re: The Most Bizarre Journalistic Malpractice Yet?(AP Claims Linking Ayers with Obama is Racist) [Re: zappaisgod]
#9034143 - 10/05/08 07:30 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I said, I didn't agree with his actions. I only agree with his dislikes for the war.
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Re: The Most Bizarre Journalistic Malpractice Yet?(AP Claims Linking Ayers with Obama is Racist) [Re: pinkfloydms]
#9034233 - 10/05/08 07:48 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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You also asked this:
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I don't know if I would exactly call Ayers a terrorist, he was more anti government, it had nothing to do with the American people, right?
Here's some more from Billy the punk http://www.reason.com/blog/show/126111.html
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Ayers omits any discussion of his famous 1970 statement, "Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at." He also omits any discussion of his wife Bernardine Dohrn's famous reaction to the Manson killings, as conveyed by journalist Peter Collier: "Dig it. First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, then they even shoved a fork into a victim's stomach! Wild!" (In a 1993 Chicago Magazine profile, Dohrn claimed, implausibly, that she'd been trying to convey that "Americans love to read about violence.")
He is scum.
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Re: The Most Bizarre Journalistic Malpractice Yet?(AP Claims Linking Ayers with Obama is Racist) [Re: zappaisgod]
#9034272 - 10/05/08 07:57 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yup he was one whacked out hippy.
But think about this, maybe when Obama first met him he didn't know his background, maybe he found out later and was already involved in the committees with him before he knew the whole story, but didn't want to just pull out of the committee because it was suppose to serve a greater good?
I mean I know I have some ex-friends that turned out to be real shit bags, but would I be a bad person because at the time I hung around them I didn't truly know them?
Do you really think Obama had some true "terrorist" ulterior motive by meeting with Ayers?
Why wasn't Ayers put in jail for life if he was so bad? How did he get off so easy?
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Re: The Most Bizarre Journalistic Malpractice Yet?(AP Claims Linking Ayers with Obama is Racist) [Re: pinkfloydms]
#9034341 - 10/05/08 08:08 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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pinkfloydms said: Why wasn't Ayers put in jail for life if he was so bad? How did he get off so easy?
I wouldnt have a clue
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Ayers grew up in Glen Ellyn, a suburb of Chicago, Illinois. He attended public schools there until his second year in high school, when he transferred to Lake Forest Academy, a small prep school. Ayers earned an A.B. from the University of Michigan in American Studies in 1968. (His father, mother and older brother had preceded him there.) He is the son of Thomas G. Ayers, former Chairman and CEO of Commonwealth Edison (1973 to 1980), Chicago philanthropist and the namesake of the Thomas G. Ayers College of Commerce and Industry.
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Re: The Most Bizarre Journalistic Malpractice Yet?(AP Claims Linking Ayers with Obama is Racist) [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9034430 - 10/05/08 08:25 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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He got off because of COINTELPRO. Isn't it funny that the only place 2 wrongs make a right is in government. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers#Radical_history
While underground, he and fellow member Bernardine Dohrn married, and the two remained fugitives together, changing identities, jobs and locations. By 1976 or 1977, with federal charges against both fugitives dropped due to prosecutorial misconduct (see COINTELPRO), Ayers was ready to turn himself in to authorities, but Dohrn remained reluctant until after she gave birth to two sons, one born in 1977, the other in 1980. "He was sweet and patient, as he always is, to let me come to my senses on my own", she later said.[3] The couple turned themselves in in 1980.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
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Re: The Most Bizarre Journalistic Malpractice Yet?(AP Claims Linking Ayers with Obama is Racist) [Re: pinkfloydms]
#9034489 - 10/05/08 08:38 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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pinkfloydms said: He got off because of COINTELPRO.
I wonder where this 'prosecutorial misconduct' came into play when the program went on from '56-'71 and ayers turned himself in in 1980?
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Re: The Most Bizarre Journalistic Malpractice Yet?(AP Claims Linking Ayers with Obama is Racist) [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9034515 - 10/05/08 08:43 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ops went on till 76' it says, and Ayers had federal charges filed on him before that time. He went underground it says in 70'.
So they must have done something before or during the time he was charged and COINTELPRO was still operational.
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Re: The Most Bizarre Journalistic Malpractice Yet?(AP Claims Linking Ayers with Obama is Racist) [Re: pinkfloydms]
#9034529 - 10/05/08 08:46 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Illegal wiretaps, among other stupid shit. Incompetent assholes.
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Re: The Most Bizarre Journalistic Malpractice Yet?(AP Claims Linking Ayers with Obama is Racist) [Re: pinkfloydms]
#9034543 - 10/05/08 08:49 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ayers and Dohrn hosted a "meet-and-greet" for Obama at their home in the Hyde Park section of Chicago, where the Ayers and the Obamas lived.[6] It was at this meeting that then State Senator Alice Palmer introduced Barack Obama as her chosen candidate for the 1996 Democratic primary.[7] Although the exact date of the meeting is not known, it was sometime in the second half of 1995, according to Ben Smith, a reporter for The Politico.[4]
It sounds more like to me that Obama was more or less led into his meeting with Ayers through other high standing politicians at the time. And that he hasn't had any real contact with him since 2002.
Obama and Ayers served together for three years on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, an anti-poverty foundation established in 1941. Obama had joined the nine-member board in 1993, and had attended a dozen of the quarterly meetings together with Ayers in the three years up to 2002, when Obama left his position on the board,[1] which Ayers chaired for two years.[10] Laura S. Washington, chairwoman of the Woods Fund, said the small board had a collegial "friendly but businesslike" atmosphere, and met four times a year for a half-day, mostly to approve grants.[2] The two also appeared together on academic panel discussions, including a 1997 University of Chicago discussion on juvenile justice. They again appeared in 2002 at an academic panel co-sponsored by the Chicago Public Library.[1] One panel discussion in which they both appeared was organized by Obama's wife, Michelle.[11] Ayers donated $200 to Obama's 2001 state senate campaign.[12]
Maybe he used Ayers popularity with other liberals as a stepping stone to move up the ladder.
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Re: The Most Bizarre Journalistic Malpractice Yet?(AP Claims Linking Ayers with Obama is Racist) [Re: pinkfloydms]
#9034573 - 10/05/08 08:55 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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from the wiki
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the formal COINTELPRO operations took place between 1956 and 1971
it's a statement that the US condones terrorism/terrorist acts if the party investigating it has a hidden agenda, I wonder how many others have ever gotten off from charges of this nature, I wonder how many time it's worked in the case of government officials or employees(lon horiuchi)
regardless he and obama were buds for 15 years... plenty of time to distance yourself
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Re: The Most Bizarre Journalistic Malpractice Yet?(AP Claims Linking Ayers with Obama is Racist) [Re: pinkfloydms]
#9034607 - 10/05/08 09:03 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have a whole thread on this shit http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/8847055/an/0/page/0
If you like, just skip to the more recent posts, although reading the whole thread will be informative about certain cover-up aspects which were not fully revisited. Mr. Kurtz has done some strong work. I'm surprised there is no mention of the CAC in the quotes you gave above. Or not, considering the whitewash this is getting in most places.
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Re: The Most Bizarre Journalistic Malpractice Yet?(AP Claims Linking Ayers with Obama is Racist) [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9034660 - 10/05/08 09:13 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I guess I mis-read it. I read this paragraph here and thought it was referring to them.
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The Church Committee documented a history of FBI directors' using the agency for purposes of political repression as far back as World War I, through the 1920s, when they were charged with rounding up "anarchists and revolutionaries" for deportation, and then building from 1936 through 1976.
Also here it says that they first met in 95' but it doesn't really mention any other contact between the two except in board meetings. Obama was already a member of Woods Fund of Chicago for 9 years before Ayers later joined in 99', and Obama quit in 2002. It seems Obama pretty much cut all ties with Ayers after that.
Chicago Annenberg Challenge which Ayers helped start in 95' seemed to be a pretty decent program that I don't think any politician would have lobbied against.
Again I'm not saying Ayers was a good guy but it seems he was pretty knowledgeable in the aspects of teaching and had quite a few political ties, which it seems to me is how Obama was brought into this.
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Re: The Most Bizarre Journalistic Malpractice Yet?(AP Claims Linking Ayers with Obama is Racist) [Re: pinkfloydms]
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Re: The Most Bizarre Journalistic Malpractice Yet?(AP Claims Linking Ayers with Obama is Racist) [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9034798 - 10/05/08 09:45 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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It seems a lot of those "top 10" had to do with the committees they both served on. The only thing new I really seen on there was that Obama worked for the same law firm as Bernardine Dohrn. Like I said the actions Ayers took were horrible, but I partly see/agree with his views on some things.
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Re: The Most Bizarre Journalistic Malpractice Yet?(AP Claims Linking Ayers with Obama is Racist) [Re: pinkfloydms]
#9034846 - 10/05/08 09:56 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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while I may agree with someones views I may not agree with their actions, even his connection with Dohrn is a tie to terrorists, after all, she was a party to the crimes
of course people often says 'but they were never convicted' Osama Bin Laden was never convicted, he never stood trial, it's obvious he must not be a terrorist even though he's admitted to the acts he's committed, Just Like Ayers
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Re: The Most Bizarre Journalistic Malpractice Yet?(AP Claims Linking Ayers with Obama is Racist) [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9034879 - 10/05/08 10:02 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm definitely not saying he isn't guilty or that he shouldn't be in jail. But I don't think it makes people terrorist themselves by associating with him, like some people are trying to make it seem. Hell I have a few friends that sell weed and a few other things, does that make me a drug dealer or a druggie? I don't even smoke.
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