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OfflineDroz
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Spirit manifestation.
    #9032622 - 10/05/08 02:06 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Somehow some kind of entity that existed elsewhere has entered into your body at birth and you now exist as a human spirit manifested. They say when you die the spirit that entered your body at birth leaves and goes elsewhere.

Do you believe this for sake of thrilling your imagination? Or do you believe this to be a fact in some sort of way that you were put into this body for a reason?

Some say that if you die your spirit will leave the body, but go where? Will we not know this until we die? Will we learn the truth then enter the body again to lose it?

Or maybe until we realize this and well just think about it.. those that feel that the information has come to them through lucid dreams, astral projection, etc. say that there is a reason why we are here.

This basic reality we live in I think is just imagination at work. Also we have to realize that the only thing we know is what we see, touch, hear from our basic senses.

I'll add later after I get some responses.

Peace,
Droz


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Re: Spirit manifestation. [Re: Droz]
    #9033024 - 10/05/08 03:35 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I believe it to be a fact in some sort of way.


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Re: Spirit manifestation. [Re: axis_bal]
    #9033073 - 10/05/08 03:45 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

axis_bal said:
I believe it to be a fact in some sort of way.




Its a widely believed fact!


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Re: Spirit manifestation. [Re: DieCommie]
    #9033105 - 10/05/08 03:51 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

This is the wrong forum for this. I have very limited facts, but I tend to go with the spiritualist philosophy because it goes best with the facts I have. I started out as an animist, but moved out of that camp.


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Re: Spirit manifestation. [Re: axis_bal]
    #9033172 - 10/05/08 04:04 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

i'm a nothingist.  at least i try to be, can't help the mind from wandering into fantasy...


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Re: Spirit manifestation. [Re: axis_bal]
    #9033188 - 10/05/08 04:07 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

A spirit is not necessary to explain biological functions.

See: Occam's Razor.


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Re: Spirit manifestation. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9033203 - 10/05/08 04:10 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Could you define the spirit as properties of biological functions that cant be predicted from our understanding of the basic interactions?  Probably not.


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Re: Spirit manifestation. [Re: DieCommie]
    #9033235 - 10/05/08 04:15 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

The fact that NO ONE, not even a believer, can pinpoint when a spirit enters or leaves a body, makes the whole concept highly suspect.


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Re: Spirit manifestation. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9033277 - 10/05/08 04:22 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

How about it enters at the moment the brain starts to function in ways we cant explain?  And then leaves when the brain stops exhibiting these functions.  Thats not too fun though, because people like to believe it 'lives forever'.

Now the definition that I describe in this post and the last my seem a silly definition of a spirit.  But to a rationalist I think it accurately describes that which believers point to as 'the spirit'.


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Re: Spirit manifestation. [Re: Droz]
    #9033289 - 10/05/08 04:25 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Droz said:
Somehow some kind of entity that existed elsewhere has entered into your body at birth and you now exist as a human spirit manifested. They say when you die the spirit that entered your body at birth leaves and goes elsewhere.

Do you believe this for sake of thrilling your imagination? Or do you believe this to be a fact in some sort of way that you were put into this body for a reason?

Some say that if you die your spirit will leave the body, but go where? Will we not know this until we die? Will we learn the truth then enter the body again to lose it?

Or maybe until we realize this and well just think about it.. those that feel that the information has come to them through lucid dreams, astral projection, etc. say that there is a reason why we are here.

This basic reality we live in I think is just imagination at work. Also we have to realize that the only thing we know is what we see, touch, hear from our basic senses.

I'll add later after I get some responses.

Peace,
Droz




This is a pretty common musing. It's fun to muse.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


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Re: Spirit manifestation. [Re: Icelander]
    #9033301 - 10/05/08 04:28 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

This is a pretty common musing. It's fun to muse.




Would you go so far as to say it is amusing?

(Nice to see you setting me up for a change.)


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Re: Spirit manifestation. [Re: Icelander]
    #9033302 - 10/05/08 04:29 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Gotta keep on musin or I'll lose my miiiind


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Re: Spirit manifestation. [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #9033523 - 10/05/08 05:18 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

There's a soul if that's what you mean. The body doesn't have to die to lose the soul.

If you haven't discovered it yet "reality" is a multidimensional dream, and the soul exists on its own dimension. Where it goes once leaving the body must surely be to go to another body.


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Wherever the hero may wander, whatever he may do, he is ever in the presence of his own essence — for he has the perfected eye to see. There is no separateness. Thus, just as the way of social participation may lead in the end to a realization of the All in the individual, so that of exile brings the hero to the Self in all.

joseph campbell


For, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

jesus


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