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***EDIT*** Unexplainable failure... is there an answer to the cause? (PICS)
#9032067 - 10/05/08 11:51 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have place a few cakes in the fruiting chamber on 9/30. I have 2 pf cakes, 1 straw cake. They all were birthed same day. Conditions remain 78-80 degrees, RH I believe I have been having some trouble with, I am not sure if it is my hygrometer or what. I have about 5 inches of well drained perlite in the chamber with lots of holes drilled on all 6 sides. My hygrometer is analog and I calibrated it using wet towel for an hour, set it to 99%. The RH stayed at around 100% for a few days, then one day i left the lid on crooked to allow for some more air exchange and ever since the the RH only reads at 80%. I fan and mist several times a day. So anyway my cakes have this fluff blob mycelium on it and I am wondering what the hell it is?! I have never seen this before. I am almost at two weeks and still no pins. Only this fluff http:// 
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Re: What is with this fluff? [Re: shroomizzy]
#9032109 - 10/05/08 12:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm pretty sure this is normal, especially if you dunked.
At least it's not happening INSIDE the jars...like me.
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Re: What is with this fluff? [Re: skaterickets]
#9032111 - 10/05/08 12:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I had two cakes that did do it in the jar too..... I cased those ones though
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Re: What is with this fluff? [Re: shroomizzy]
#9032122 - 10/05/08 12:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Really?
Did you by any chance also turn the jars upside down so that the cake went down, and there was a lot of space between the cake and the jar glass.
Kinda like this.

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Re: What is with this fluff? [Re: skaterickets]
#9032137 - 10/05/08 12:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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No I do not turn them upside down, but it is normal for it to shrink when it gets colonized
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Re: What is with this fluff? [Re: shroomizzy]
#9032216 - 10/05/08 12:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am wondering as to what causes this sort of growth, or whatever it is. It seemed that it started as hyphal knots and then they turned into fluffy things rather than a fruit body.
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Re: What is with this fluff? [Re: shroomizzy]
#9032246 - 10/05/08 12:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I also had fluffy "knots" of mycellium on the top of my substrate, only mine were rye grain. I have searched and it seems to be a pretty common thing.
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Re: What is with this fluff? [Re: nykon]
#9032265 - 10/05/08 12:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah I have read several post on it. I was just curious what would cause this, for I have never had it happen before. I also have never gone two freakin weeks with out pins
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Re: What is with this fluff? [Re: shroomizzy]
#9038145 - 10/06/08 05:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just trying one more time. I am thinking maybe low humidity would cause this? I was thinking my cheap hygrometer was off, but I misted heavily and got my humgrometer to read 99%. Perhaps its only because the hygrometer is wet.
Anyway, Anyone actually know the cause of the white puffs?
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Re: What is with this fluff? [Re: skaterickets]
#9038411 - 10/06/08 06:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey! I'm in exactly that same situation right now. I flipped 3 pint jars that were 90-95% about 2-3 days ago and there was about a centimeter of space on top after I flipped. Now the mycelium is growing up more than out over the caked and has even got to the point where I'm growing mycelium and the inside of the surface jar- completely unattached from the actual cake! starting to get a lot of knots too. The mycelium doesn't seem to be colonizing the rest of the cake very rapidly, so I'm starting to get concerned that I'll get a lot of invitro pinning even before I get to 100%. Any advice on this situation?
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skaterickets said: Really?
Did you by any chance also turn the jars upside down so that the cake went down, and there was a lot of space between the cake and the jar glass.
Kinda like this.

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Re: What is with this fluff? [Re: wedaft]
#9038428 - 10/06/08 06:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I had that same problem. I got the temp down a few degrees and it seemed to slow its roll.
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Re: What is with this fluff? [Re: wedaft]
#9038590 - 10/06/08 06:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah it's been a while since mine were colonizing, I really screwed up on the moisture content.
Some that were 85% colonized about a week ago are now fully colonized. There are others that are only 50%, and in that case I'm going to experiment a little bit, especially with casing.
I'll post results on my grow log.
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Re: ***EDIT*** Nothing is fruiting and What is with this fluff? [Re: shroomizzy]
#9043416 - 10/07/08 04:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok so now I am starting to get worried. It has been two weeks today and those fluff, puff ball things are the only sign of growth I have had... not a single pin, there appears to be minimal amounts of hyphal knots, very few and far between. Humidity may have been low for about a week, but lately I have kept it in the high 90's according to the hygrometer I don't really trust. frequent air exchanges... Anyone have any idea if any fruit bodies will even grow with all that fluffy stuff??
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Re: ***EDIT*** Nothing is fruiting and What is with this fluff? [Re: shroomizzy]
#9043524 - 10/07/08 05:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've seen it before too. I think it's genetic. I think those puff balls basically are the fruits just mutated.
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Re: ***EDIT*** Nothing is fruiting and What is with this fluff? [Re: musher_420]
#9043624 - 10/07/08 05:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nice partial finger print in picture 1 dude... .
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Re: ***EDIT*** Nothing is fruiting and What is with this fluff? [Re: alkylbenzene23]
#9043644 - 10/07/08 05:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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heh heh.... yeah... oops, it kinda got man handled
Well if it is a genetic thing, does that mean no actual fruit bodies will grow?
Also do I treat the weight of the blobs as I would the weight of actual fruits, if indeed I were to eat as is.?
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Re: ***EDIT*** Nothing is fruiting and What is with this fluff? [Re: shroomizzy]
#9043818 - 10/07/08 05:47 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well what do they look like now? Have they grown and gotten more solid?
It depends how many sub-strains are in the cake. I had a casing of PE that grew big puff balls and normal fruits. They matured at about the same rate. The puff balls were equally potent. When I cut the puff ball in half I noticed it had almost gill like growth inside.... Yeah, they were creepy mutants but they were my creepy mutants so I ate them just the same.
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Re: ***EDIT*** Nothing is fruiting and What is with this fluff? [Re: musher_420]
#9043881 - 10/07/08 06:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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The only thing I would say that actually changed is there is probly more now... I don't want puff balls... I just want normal fruits 
I'm thinking i'm gonna go cut one off and try drying it perhaps....
Well I cut one off and it was definitely a solid mass. So I then proceeded to pick them all off. Maybe just maybe next flush actual fruit bodies will grow.
I'm thinking it HAS to be conditions in the fruiting chamber, because ALL the items in there had this happen, including one casing. I put some colonized rye and straw in a container outside and it grew actuall fruits.
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Re: ***EDIT*** Nothing is fruiting and What is with this fluff? [Re: shroomizzy]
#9049106 - 10/08/08 05:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am keeping this thread alive yet again. I am assuming by the lack of responses to this, not much is known to why this happens. I have another bin with straw I put in the chamber about a week ago and instead of hyphal knots I have little puffs, that if they follow anything like the other ones in the chamber, they will grow to bigger puffs. This is my most devastating grow yet and there is no explanation for this even happening, and that troubles me
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Re: ***EDIT*** Nothing is fruiting and What is with this fluff? [Re: shroomizzy]
#9049386 - 10/08/08 06:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: ***EDIT*** Nothing is fruiting and What is with this fluff? [Re: shroomizzy]
#9050089 - 10/08/08 08:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Last time I swear, and then I let this die.
I am going to attempt to eat these... yay or nay?
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Re: ***EDIT*** Nothing is fruiting and What is with this fluff? [Re: shroomizzy]
#9050407 - 10/08/08 08:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do they bruise blue? If so.. bon-appetit!
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Re: ***EDIT*** Nothing is fruiting and What is with this fluff? [Re: shroomizzy]
#9050425 - 10/08/08 08:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nay. There's a possibility, you're not giving the cakes enough fresh air. It's probably the single biggest pinning trigger. It looks like one of 2 things is happening here
1- it's some kind of contaminant i've never seen before. 2- the cake isn't pinning because it doesn't have the necessary constant environment to do so.
I could be totally off, but my gut tells me, you need to give fresh air supply priority over the humidity level. If your humidity starts to get too low, remember to mist enough after fanning, and maybe add more damp perlite. How often do you fan? What kind of fruiting chamber setup is it?
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Re: ***EDIT*** Nothing is fruiting and What is with this fluff? [Re: T2K_Rusty]
#9050464 - 10/08/08 08:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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After reviewing the pictures again, i'd like to stress not to consume that cake till you're sure its not contaminated. That could definitely be some sort of a mold. Many parts of the cake are bluing, probably from dehydration, but look, no blue whatsoever on the puffy parts, not even where you put the thumb print at. That should have blued. I suggest pinching or squishing some of the puffy, just to be sure it blues. Still fan it a lot, see if it starts to pin. I'd probably go so far as to cut off the puffy parts to take a look underneath them.
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Re: ***EDIT*** Nothing is fruiting and What is with this fluff? [Re: T2K_Rusty]
#9050519 - 10/08/08 09:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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The puffs defintiely bruise. They smell like fresh mushrooms. The texture is like that of mushroom tissue. I'm pretty sure they have plenty of fresh air. I do several FAE per day, along with the hundred or so holes drilled.
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Re: ***EDIT*** Nothing is fruiting and What is with this fluff? [Re: shroomizzy]
#9103482 - 10/20/08 10:14 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok, just to bring this back and shed some light on the issue. There seems to be little to no information as far as the 'blob' growth.
I harvested the blobs and dried them. They have a different wet/dry weight ratio than an actual mushroom. They lost about half there weight upon drying so I was very unclear on dosage. Total dry weight was about 3.5 grams, boiled into tea with 1.5 grams of actual fruit bodies, split in half with my girlfriend and drank. The experience was far more intense than I thought it would be.
As long as you can be sure they are not a contam, these blobs are good for the pickin'
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