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Offlinejustinsanity
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Religion, meaning of life.
    #9031865 - 10/05/08 11:03 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

well due to the nature of this post i have no idea where it is gonna go, people take it pretty seriously sometimes.

well anyways..

anyone care to share their ideas?

personally, i think if there is a god, it isn't a person. it is a force humans will never understand in this lifetime.

and as far as an afterlife goes. i'd imagine our "mind" keeps going after physical death, only because i'm me, and i can't say it's just a chemical illusion of my brain. i don't think there's heaven and hell the way people think. maybe an infinite feeling of "wholeness". at least that's what i'm hopin for.

i think buddhism has some better ideas than christianity to be honest.

but i can't say i follow any single religion. just ideas.

another thing is, i realize i could spend a lifetime thinking about things like this. but the answer will never come regardless. it would just bring up more questions and i wouldn't get anywhere.

the meaning of life. i think our lives are extremely short and we just need to give it our best shot, make due with what we have, enjoy the things around us. the only thing that matters is the experiences we have and what they meant to us.

money means nothing. we are born into this system that tells us to get rich and be better than the next person. i say it's time to stop competing and maybe consider working together and accepting eachother.

the things you own, end up owning you.


if you had a choice. an innocent stranger dies, or you lose all your material possessions.

which would you pick?



the answer makes you feel guilty, doesn't it?


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: justinsanity]
    #9031909 - 10/05/08 11:15 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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justinsanity said:


i think buddhism has some better ideas than christianity to be honest.

but i can't say i follow any single religion. just ideas.






I am just curious but what do you find more appealing about Buddhism? I would personally find the four noble truths really hard to fallow. (I personally don't feel that life is full or sorrow and sadness.)

If you think it is then I guess you found what your looking for but other religions that have similar values may be worth looking into like Daoism.

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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: justinsanity]
    #9031935 - 10/05/08 11:23 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I don't believe in a personal God.  The closest I get to religion is Pantheism.  I don't think spirituality has anything to do with God, for me it is about the beauty of being human and celebrating our short time together.  I just want to try to be a good person.

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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: sam420]
    #9031944 - 10/05/08 11:26 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

can you explain pantheism, I have never heard of it!

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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: Ontheisland]
    #9031986 - 10/05/08 11:35 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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justinsanity said:


i think buddhism has some better ideas than christianity to be honest.

but i can't say i follow any single religion. just ideas.






I am just curious but what do you find more appealing about Buddhism? I would personally find the four noble truths really hard to fallow. (I personally don't feel that life is full or sorrow and sadness.)

If you think it is then I guess you found what your looking for but other religions that have similar values may be worth looking into like Daoism.




the idea that there is no judgement. and the idea that you should train your mind, because it is the only thing that is eternal.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: Ontheisland]
    #9031989 - 10/05/08 11:35 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Well from what I gather it's just the notion of the Universe itself as a being, with us and everything else as a part of it, as one.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: justinsanity]
    #9031999 - 10/05/08 11:38 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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the idea that there is no judgement. and the idea that you should train your mind, because it is the only thing that is eternal.




Your mind is far from eternal.  People have personality changing disorders, insanity, bizarre afflictions of the brain that change who they are at the very core.  So I don't think this is true at all.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: sam420]
    #9032029 - 10/05/08 11:43 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

but those are all chemical imbalances of the brain. i'm saying there's a possibility that there is something more to the mind than the brain.

could it be possible that the brain just clouds and blocks reality. like it is just a filter. people with disorders are just being filtered differently.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: justinsanity]
    #9032049 - 10/05/08 11:46 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Fair point.

I'm not a believer in Dualism


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: sam420]
    #9032054 - 10/05/08 11:47 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

The point of Buddhism isn't to have your mind continuously reincarnate, the purpose is to escape from life into nirvana. I guess in a way you are training your mind to give up all attachment and desire (maybe). Buddhism essentially wants to stop the wheel of law cycle so they can slip into nirvana. Therefore, they don't want their minds to be eternal.

They don't pass judgment because its a very selfish religion where they are only concerned of extinguishing their own self, and their own karma.

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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: justinsanity]
    #9032063 - 10/05/08 11:50 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

wow, that last question..person dying vs losing posessions... that really makes me think


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: Ontheisland]
    #9032079 - 10/05/08 11:53 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I think God is cool. He talks about anihalating people who piss him off, which is respectable. Plus, Jesus is a badass. He mocked the faithlessnes of  jews by dying voluntarily. You can tell from reading the new testament, that Jesus got tons of pussy, but never bragged about it.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: upinthetrees]
    #9032081 - 10/05/08 11:53 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I would lose my possessions, I'm pretty confident

I don't think I could live with myself if I didn't make that choice and peace of mind is worth more than a few thousand quids worth of stuff.

I could probably buy back everything I own in about 2 years, maybe even 1 if I hardcore saved


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: justinsanity]
    #9032492 - 10/05/08 01:32 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Nihilism and/or panpsychism.

I'm having difficulty choosing which.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: deCypher]
    #9032549 - 10/05/08 01:49 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

timecube.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: anyone420]
    #9033537 - 10/05/08 05:22 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

my point of the question was mostly the idea that we were born into a system that tells us what to take value in (money) and it's imprinted into our brains because it is all around us, and always has been.

nothing wrong with money itself, it is just a means of trade. but when people lose sight of the things that are truly important, happiness and life itself (for example, working a job you hate because it pays a little better) that's when we need a new approach or belief system.

why would you spend 40 hours a week being miserable, so you can have a 3 car garage, or a hot tub installed?


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: Ontheisland]
    #9033656 - 10/05/08 05:46 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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(I personally don't feel that life is full or sorrow and sadness.) 




Really? I want to know your secret.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: justinsanity]
    #9033780 - 10/05/08 06:06 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

just watch this movie.  HERE

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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: norml840]
    #9034027 - 10/05/08 07:02 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

WTF NORML. All anime is the same. I want to shoot the faces off of whoever created the anime concept. They deserve to be hung high from the highest, thorniest fucking tree and their little japanese brown fucking asses need to be nuked again. Complete fucking retardation. If someone acted like that in america, they'd be civilly committed.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: ray40cal]
    #9034047 - 10/05/08 07:06 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I used to be a Christian but not anymore. (my title under my avatar used to say "Christian Shroomer")

I realized this summer that I really don't believe in it. I was just fooling myself. It was very freeing to realize this.

I still believe in God though. The only term that I'm comfortable with describing my spiritual philosophy is "Panentheism", which is distinguished from Pantheism.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panentheism


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: ray40cal]
    #9034164 - 10/05/08 07:34 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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WTF NORML. All anime is the same. I want to shoot the faces off of whoever created the anime concept. They deserve to be hung high from the highest, thorniest fucking tree and their little japanese brown fucking asses need to be nuked again. Complete fucking retardation. If someone acted like that in america, they'd be civilly committed.




i totally posted the wrong video.  jeez that was totally off.  try this one. 

[url=
&ei=5mrpSLSyBoaYrQLWhZmZCw&q=one+-+uno]here[/url]

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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #9034175 - 10/05/08 07:36 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

do ppl who believe in god believe in satan?


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: i6need6it6]
    #9034182 - 10/05/08 07:39 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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do ppl who believe in god believe in satan?




some do.

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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: norml840]
    #9034270 - 10/05/08 07:56 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

i don't.

but even when I was a christian I didn't believe in hell or satan, at least not in the latter stages of my christianity.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #9034347 - 10/05/08 08:09 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

That's kind of the point where you start wondering... "Wait, why do I read this book again?" Once I realized how hypocritical everything was I threw out everything but god, and later threw that out to. I feel as though after my decision not to believe in Christianity I had no reason to believe in a deity at all. I like feeling that everything is random and happens by chance, and that we are all responsible for our own actions no extraordinary excuses allowed. I've felt much closer to the world as a whole, and feel like I look at others with a better understanding. I feel like I was unknowingly biased as a Christian, and I think that's what sucks. It gives good people bad reasons to do things.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: thekwazz]
    #9034369 - 10/05/08 08:12 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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(I personally don't feel that life is full or sorrow and sadness.) 




Really? I want to know your secret.




Of course life is not full of sorrow and sadness (the Buddhist believe that life only incorporates sadness and sorrow and bliss can't be achieved without giving up attachment and desire) Everything needs to be taken in; the good with the bad. Just because today was a sad day doesn't mean that I can't be happy tomorrow.

I think that is completely wrong. Have you felt happiness? have you ever felt so happy that you forget about everything around you? Even if it was just for one minute that you felt so in tune with everything that you could just let go.

I don't know about all of you, but I have felt bliss, weather it be drug induced or not. I think I have felt complete bliss, or nirvana as the Buddhist would call it.

Edited by Ontheisland (10/05/08 08:17 PM)

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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: sam420]
    #9034372 - 10/05/08 08:13 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Well from what I gather it's just the notion of the Universe itself as a being, with us and everything else as a part of it, as one.




I like the sound of this much more than any kind of organized religion or any religion based on G_d/s.

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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #9034377 - 10/05/08 08:14 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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I used to be a Christian but not anymore. (my title under my avatar used to say "Christian Shroomer")

I realized this summer that I really don't believe in it. I was just fooling myself. It was very freeing to realize this.

I still believe in God though. The only term that I'm comfortable with describing my spiritual philosophy is "Panentheism", which is distinguished from Pantheism.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panentheism




This is interesting. Reading the wikipedia made me think...

if there is a god, what if "he" is the force that is perpetuating physics, life, and all matter. making everything work.

Maybe this is just me but I always thought that god keeps us from knowing too much on purpose, because if we knew the total truth, we would go crazy or just go into mass panic or something.

Maybe god has lsd-25,000. He's gotta have the best drugs. THChrist weed.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: justinsanity]
    #9034398 - 10/05/08 08:19 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: i6need6it6]
    #9036708 - 10/06/08 11:05 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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do ppl who believe in god believe in satan?




i've seen demons, and the works of satan. Just don't believe that god himself would do that shit.  In my mind, god is all that is good and righteous, and true. While satan is the opposite. This is planet earth and its all fleshy and organic n stuff, so god and satan are interpreted as concepts, yet i still believe god is a single, self aware knowing soul just like me. God has the ability to work the space/time continuum though, so most all of his actions are played out beforehand. Example: I honestly need a job so through a series of chain reactions, a job opening at parks and recreation happens right before i go apply.

Too many people take the whole god thing a bit too seriously though, but it's all part of a learning process. Life on earth will suck for the most part, but then it gets better.  Almost everyone loves it when they are young kids, and wishes they never had to grow up, then you start growing up, you get older, and that peace comes back. Earth is simply a place to learn.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: ray40cal]
    #9036796 - 10/06/08 11:23 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

There is a god. Nothing beyond the creation of everything can be proven to me, so everything else is just preference of belief. Every religion preaching goodness is the same thing, and everyone worships the same god. They just put their beliefs and rituals in different pots that were all designed by man. Be good, because being good is never bad. Whatever afterlife you believe in, nowhere good seems attainable by doing evil.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: Kada]
    #9036982 - 10/06/08 12:11 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

buddhism isn't a religion.

the western world is a prisoner of it's words and habits, like dividing everything into two categories and taking most things literally.

you don't compare christianity and buddhism like they were two houses on a street.

buddhism aims for enlightenment whereas christianity aims at enslavement.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #9037029 - 10/06/08 12:21 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think i said buddhism was a religion.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: Kada]
    #9037055 - 10/06/08 12:28 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

i didn't accuse you of it, i just saw buddhism mentioned in a thread about "religion & meaning of life".

satan, religion, god - they are just concepts of our minds trying to explain phenomenons and illusions which our brain creates. they are thoughts made into words and from that they materialize. people act like god is real - thus god becomes real to them.

if people need a requisite (religion) to find the meaning of life they are working inside of a controlled concept forged in the minds of ordinary men who yearn for power: cult leaders, kings, politicians, leaders of religious movements.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #9037078 - 10/06/08 12:35 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

What about Jesus can you say that proves he had a 'yearn for power'?


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: DR. PRIME]
    #9037083 - 10/06/08 12:36 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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What about Jesus can you say that proves he even existed?




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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: DR. PRIME]
    #9037087 - 10/06/08 12:37 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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What about Jesus can you say that proves he had a 'yearn for power'?




i haven't met jesus and i don't have a direct connection with his dad like the pope and other madmen so i can't say.

no one knows jesus, or if he existed or what he actually did if he did exist.


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    #9037095 - 10/06/08 12:38 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: norml840]
    #9037116 - 10/06/08 12:44 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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What about Jesus can you say that proves he even existed?




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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #9037118 - 10/06/08 12:44 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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buddhism aims for enlightenment whereas christianity aims at enslavement.




This is untrue, although I can see why looooots of people think that.  If you read the new testament, christ will encourage people to live free, happy, and righteous. What he encourages, is actually the most comfortable way to live. Though churches these days really do act like a bunch of hippocrites. I see no relevance in going to church. I don't like praying in public, or the way churches work.

Back when i was a churchgoer(catholic) the whole concept pissed me off. People would preach their ass off about being generous, about how christ wants us to give away all our posessions, but when it came to the charity drives all these home owners, people with jobs, would just offer up a can of tomato soup. Most people use church to give a false impression about themselves, so other people think they are good......... OR because their wives force them to go by using the power of pussy.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #9037123 - 10/06/08 12:45 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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i didn't accuse you of it, i just saw buddhism mentioned in a thread about "religion & meaning of life".



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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: norml840]
    #9037126 - 10/06/08 12:45 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

you sure did :laugh:

the thing with proving stuff about christianity is actually irrelevant. what should matter to us is how it affects us in reality and how it's actions impact our lives.

as far as i can honestly say the church has done nothing but driven people further away from spirituality and trapped them into a diseased, schizophrenic dichotomy of "good vs evil" bullshit, placing false morals and phony ethics on people like shackles so that they'd become predictable little drones, plagued by hypocrisy and a violent, perverted view of the world.

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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: norml840]
    #9037127 - 10/06/08 12:45 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

It's called the Bible. Now I know there's a bunch of speculation around who wrote it or where it even came from but it's just that, A big whopping cock of speculation that people that are too lazy to actually read any further choose to suck on.

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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: DR. PRIME]
    #9037133 - 10/06/08 12:47 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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It's called the Bible. Now I know there's a bunch of speculation around who wrote it or where it even came from but it's just that, A big whopping cock of speculation that people that are too lazy to actually read any further choose to suck on.

It's easier to dismiss than to actually comprehend the possibility.






it's also called fiction, bullshit and the power of imagination.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #9037139 - 10/06/08 12:49 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

You're talking about Catholicism. If you read what is written you may find that Catholics are way off.

So a few people corrupted the message like the rest of most religions. Don't look at everyone elses view of it. Gain your own understanding.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #9037147 - 10/06/08 12:51 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Imagination and verbal/written communication is what makes us human.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: DR. PRIME]
    #9037161 - 10/06/08 12:54 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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You're talking about Catholicism. If you read what is written you may find that Catholics are way off.

So a few people corrupted the message like the rest of most religions. Don't look at everyone elses view of it. Gain your own understanding.




i am talking about the guy on the cross. cancer is cancer, no matter in what part of the body it has spread.

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Imagination and verbal/written communication is what makes us human.




then why don't you worship some other book?


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: DR. PRIME]
    #9037184 - 10/06/08 12:59 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Well if you must know, I think they all have very common ground and were all trying to convey the same concept. People just take what they feel like taking away(interpretation) and push their views on others because of their own insecurity. Power, greed, and acceptance is what drives most humans. Almost every religious text teaches against every single one of those.

You think half the christians, catholics, or muslims have read in depth enough to gain their own view of the texts. Something really tells me, "Hell no!" They mostly take other peoples' word for it and go on with their lives pretending to have a firm understanding of something they've never even really thought about.

Don't blame God for man's fallacies.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: DR. PRIME]
    #9037216 - 10/06/08 01:06 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

b0red how come you insist on knocking Christianity? You really don't sound like you have an educated opinion. Sound like one of them there southern right wings that don't listen to anything else.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: DR. PRIME]
    #9037218 - 10/06/08 01:06 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Well if they were all so similar, then why do they condem other religions to hell because of a minor detail in the way they read the bible? Basically, everyone is going to hell, because you don't believe what they do.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: DR. PRIME]
    #9037228 - 10/06/08 01:08 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Don't blame God for man's fallacies.



Who can say what man's fallacies were? They wrote the bible. So at what point would i not believe man? Before they wrote the bible, or after? How then can i tell when they started making shit up?

I don't blame god at all. Ever. But when people started making shit up, they started making god look like a dickhead.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: Kada]
    #9037232 - 10/06/08 01:09 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Who's doing the condemning? The followers or the text? Popular opinion or the actual message?


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: Kada]
    #9037249 - 10/06/08 01:13 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Well the men in the Bible say on many accounts that it is the inspired word of God. The rule of law that we hold so dear today was created by the principles found in the Bible. Do you disagree with them being 'right' or do you consider them a valuable part of the world we live in?


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: DR. PRIME]
    #9037252 - 10/06/08 01:14 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Well, apparently i can only be accepted in the Christian bibles heaven through the belief in Jesus. Jews don't believe this. Are they going to hell?

I'm not even getting started on other religions. I had a Baptist preacher try to preach the devil out of me because i was baptized in a Christian church. Apparently if i didn't come to his church to do the same thing, i was going to hell. I'm was really confused at that point. I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but religious beliefs have screwed me around since the day i decided to try to understand religion when i was a kid.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: DR. PRIME]
    #9037263 - 10/06/08 01:15 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

part 1 of 12.  i'll leave it up to you to watch the rest.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: DR. PRIME]
    #9037264 - 10/06/08 01:15 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Well the men in the Bible say on many accounts that it is the inspired word of God. The rule of law that we hold so dear today was created by the principles found in the Bible. Do you disagree with them being 'right' or are you anarchist?



OMG that is such a christian thing to say lol. Also that is the exact answer that you were progrrammed to say in the event that someone doesn't believe your answers.

Im supposed to trust people from thousands of years ago to get somthing right? I don't even trust someone i know to get something right half the time.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: ray40cal]
    #9037291 - 10/06/08 01:19 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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b0red how come you insist on knocking Christianity? You really don't sound like you have an educated opinion. Sound like one of them there southern right wings that don't listen to anything else.




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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: Kada]
    #9037293 - 10/06/08 01:20 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I believe nothing any man has ever said about god. There are no right answers. If there were right answers, then it's a pretty shitty thing to do to make someone sort through all the shit people beieve in to try to pick the one that is right. People choose their religions because it suits their lifestyles. Not because it happens to be the ONE out of thousands of years that suddenly got it right. There are no answers, and i wish people would stop making shit up and forcing it on the rest of the population. YOUR ALL GANNA BURN IN HELL UNLESS YOU BELIEVE WHAT I SAY? Wtf is that about? That is not goodness. That is wrongness.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #9037296 - 10/06/08 01:21 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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b0red how come you insist on knocking Christianity? You really don't sound like you have an educated opinion. Sound like one of them there southern right wings that don't listen to anything else.




so what?




so you've stooped to their level, by closing your mind off to other ways.

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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: Kada]
    #9037313 - 10/06/08 01:26 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

It's definitely not just about believing in Jesus. It's recognizing the truth in the teachings and applying them.

This baptist guy was a mere man not fully grasping the word of God. He just wants to be accepted and agreed with. It's comes back to the whole separation thing. People want to feel special so they separate themselves.

Plus, Jews go by the teaching of the OLD testament. It's old for a reason. God had to make a new covenant with man to bring about their salvation. The old testament is about Israel and how they fall short of God's blessing because of their sin. Those were the people he chose to bring his word throughout the world. That doesn't make them special, if anything just a tool. And the old testament shows how God works with men. There is most definitely some fiction but it is done to expose the human heart in its rawest form.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: DR. PRIME]
    #9037317 - 10/06/08 01:27 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: norml840]
    #9037330 - 10/06/08 01:29 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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ray40cal said:
b0red how come you insist on knocking Christianity? You really don't sound like you have an educated opinion. Sound like one of them there southern right wings that don't listen to anything else.




so what?




so you've stooped to their level, by closing your mind off to other ways.




there are no ways. following ways are an illusion.

i don't see the point arguing about people about arbitrary world views. all we can really do is live our lives. all the arguments and screams for "proof" and uneducated guesses lead further away from enlightenment because they are all words and cages around our minds.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: Kada]
    #9037332 - 10/06/08 01:29 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

hey, I'll admit I don't have all the answers. I'm just trying to mix in some more ideas to the conversation. Right or wrong, I don't care. I'm just throwing shit out there, I don't even consider myself any religion, just someone who knows a lot about them. I'm not saying anything that isn't already there.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: DR. PRIME]
    #9037346 - 10/06/08 01:33 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

As long as you are doing good twards yourself and man, hell i don't care what you believe. Im just glad there is another good guy out there. I do believe in god. I just don't believe anything anyone says about god. I have my own good ideas, and i feel that god would approve. Why would god condem me to hell for being a good person and being good to everyone i meet? I live my life the best i can, but i hate people that tell me i am not going to a good place when i die because i don't believe what they do.

Everyone should have faith in something good, so as long as you do, i think your a good guy.
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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: DR. PRIME]
    #9037349 - 10/06/08 01:34 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

It's the Christians who actually HAVE read the Bible that I don't understand. Once you've read it I can't understand for the life of me how you could ever put your eternal faith into it.


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    #9037362 - 10/06/08 01:36 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Now there's some common ground we can both share. :mushroom2:


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    #9037412 - 10/06/08 01:48 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Christianity is completely ridiculous and I refuse to frustrate myself further by thinking about it any more.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: DR. PRIME]
    #9037427 - 10/06/08 01:50 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

There is no specific meaning...Everyone defines their own purpose.  Some are similiar and others are different.  Carl Sagan---"Everyone is star stuff"
We're made up of the same compounds and elements as any other object in this universe.  It just so happened that probability and chance brought these compounds together in a way that created humans, mammals, and all the species on this planet.  Humans die and become part of the universe again.  This universe is really a recycling bin.

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    #9037465 - 10/06/08 01:57 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

you're right...but the nitty gritty is that everything is energy, which is merely wavelengths(which creates light, chemicals, and particles)

everything is waves. there is even a theory that gravity is a product of waves also. scientists have never proven it (yet), but they already have a device to measure a 'gravity wave' if it were to still happen in the present state of the universe.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: TheGoodLife]
    #9037466 - 10/06/08 01:57 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I'm just a simple guy. I don't need all conclusive answers to where we came from. I don't care where we go when we die. I just want to enjoy my life. Provide for my family, sleep in late, smoke ganja, enjoy just being lucky enough to have lived.


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    #9037499 - 10/06/08 02:03 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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There is no specific meaning...Everyone defines their own purpose.  Some are similiar and others are different.  Carl Sagan---"Everyone is star stuff"
We're made up of the same compounds and elements as any other object in this universe.  It just so happened that probability and chance brought these compounds together in a way that created humans, mammals, and all the species on this planet.  Humans die and become part of the universe again.  This universe is really a recycling bin.




I do understand that. But one of my very few beliefs is that god started it all, and the universe itself is part of god. I don't care why god created the universe, im just glad god did. What god made is good. It only makes sense to do as much good as i can. I do care where i go when i die, but i will not base that upon anything a human has ever had to say on that matter. If i am a good person it's because i choose to be, not because i feel that i have to. If that doesn't get me into a good place when i die, then so be it. But i can not believe that that is how it is.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: Kada]
    #9037596 - 10/06/08 02:23 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Honestly sometimes I am a bit envious of those who believe in their own form of God. I wonder if that means I lack in spirituality, or creativity? I have a hard time feeling as though the word God holds any definition at this point because a lot of folks are so open to interpretation these days.

"Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?" - Douglas Adams

The universe is an amazingly vast and hard to understand place. But we only created God to fill the void in our understanding.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: thekwazz]
    #9037608 - 10/06/08 02:25 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

im God. :awesome:


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: thoughts]
    #9037623 - 10/06/08 02:29 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

iwasaClown said:
im God. :awesome:




:orly:


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: thekwazz]
    #9037625 - 10/06/08 02:29 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

But believing in the fairies makes me feel good! Or at least might stop someone from stampeding through it, killing all the flowers.


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I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: Kada]
    #9037645 - 10/06/08 02:33 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Haha... I just feel like it coerces people into doing good things for bad reasons. I say that all the time though. It doesn't really matter I suppose. It's just not for me, bottom line.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: thekwazz]
    #9037733 - 10/06/08 02:51 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I never do something with the feeling that it will do good in the end. If what you are doing at the second you are doing it isn't good, then no good can come of it. Or at least it is not a way to actually be good. I would never do something remotly wrong with the idea of something good comming out of it. If what you are doing isn't good to begin with, then it is not good. Harm none, in doing what you will. That means don't even harm yourself, let alone any other person. I would never kick my dog for shitting on the floor to get him to stop, thinking it would do him him and my floor good in the end. I guess thats the only anology i have.

Coersing people into doing good is not good, so it should not be done for any reason. It is evil regaurdless of the outcome. People know what is right and what is wrong, but they always come up with a good reason for doing somthing they shouldn't, then make it seem like the right thing to do because the outcome is in their favor. If i need a reason to do something i normally wouldn't i stop and look at the situation and ask if what i am doing is good. Of course im not perfect, and sometimes i lie to myself to get my way. Everyone does this, but i try to do it less than the average person. People even use religion to justify doing something bad in the name of doing something good, and that is wrong.

Damn i didn't mean to rant on.


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"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: Kada]
    #9037837 - 10/06/08 03:19 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)



everything is the blanket, man :hippie:


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: justinsanity]
    #9037940 - 10/06/08 03:46 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Well, I don't subscribe to any particular religion. I think that most religions have the same basic principles (i.e. treat others as you'd like to be treated, etc) but at the same time, I disagree that things like murder, rape, and theft are inherently wrong. I agree that they're wrong, just not as a fundamental and only ingrained and forced upon us by society. Also, I dislike faith to begin with (faith = belief without proof) as it is in direct conflict with logic and rational reasoning.

I think that whatever god(s) there might be, it's pointless to think about as we have no way of knowing anyway. Think of it this way, the mere fact that there is more than one religion to begin with means that they all have an equal chance of being correct and if they have an equal chance of being correct, they have an equal chance of being false. That's why it's best to live life with rational self-interests in pursuit.


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if you had a choice. an innocent stranger dies, or you lose all your material possessions.

which would you pick?

the answer makes you feel guilty, doesn't it?




Nope, I feel a connection with my possessions, justified or not, and have never met said stranger, so fuck 'em. And I do not feel guilty, not sure why you would.

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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: Boots]
    #9037977 - 10/06/08 04:30 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)



"you say you're christians and you live by jesus's principles but are you?"

:ilold:


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Re: Religion, meaning of life. [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #9038353 - 10/06/08 05:53 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Well if you look at how the world works, and the universe etc.. there's either a god running it or a bunch of these :etbig: lil fux0rs.


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