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Organic foods... who gives a fuck?
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I really don't see the point of eating organic foods. The shit tastes the same, and the health benefits are very negligible. Why pay more for organic when it tastes the same? Big waste, IMHO.
The one thing that I do like about organic is that the fruits and vegetables aren't genetically modified. Like tomatoes. I fucking hate the "new" GM tomatoes that are designed for longer shelf life. You know, the really firm ones that are more like eating an apple than a tomato. Other than that, I see absolutely no advantage to organic foods.
And people who tout their "organic pot"... Are you fucking kidding me? who.fucking.cares.
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: Gumby]
#9024386 - 10/03/08 03:58 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I like granola.
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: Gumby]
#9024396 - 10/03/08 04:00 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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marketing + people who buy into it = $$$$
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Alot of organic food does taste better. One that I notice most often are bananas. Most fruit and vegetables are enhanced to grow bigger, and are altered to have pesticides in them. By altering, they take out vitamins or minerals that may have been there before.
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Well I started eating organic meats 2 years ago. We found an organic famrer who raises cattle, chicken, and pork. Organic feed is used and no hormones are given to the animals. I CAN TASTE A HUGE DIFFERENCE. The meat tastes very fresh, and "clean." There really is no comparison to the hormone laden, pesticide fed meat in the grocery store.
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: iMtRiPpIn]
#9024439 - 10/03/08 04:08 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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It has nothing to do with taste. I just eat organic sometimes so i dont have man made preservatives and other shit industry uses as cheap substitutes for natural processes.
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For one, the most important difference is nutrition.
I looked everywhere for this chart I used to have comparing nutritional value of organic and non organic. Organic tomatoes were found to have about six or seven times as much calcium as non organic. Some vegetables, where they had some iron or other mineral before, had zero of that mineral when genetically fucked with or fed non organic foods. I'll try to find it and post it later.
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: Gumby]
#9024471 - 10/03/08 04:14 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't give a fuck. In fact, I hope GM everything starts to happen soon. I like the idea of better efficiency in the farming industry.
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: iMtRiPpIn]
#9024495 - 10/03/08 04:17 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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haha I just started working at this all organic health food store and theres a vegiterian cafe in the back where I am and people FREAK over this food its kinda funny its good but if it has cheese in it some people are just pissed and its like damn you choose this horriable non cheese eating crazy life, but more cheese for me. But your right not a diffrence just the tomatos are red and not pink or green on the inside, it's cool that it is benifiting local farmers, BUT I sure can not afford it long live the CANNED FOOD blessed be those presurvitives
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: Helixx]
#9024500 - 10/03/08 04:19 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Helixx said: Alot of organic food does taste better. One that I notice most often are bananas. Most fruit and vegetables are enhanced to grow bigger, and are altered to have pesticides in them. By altering, they take out vitamins or minerals that may have been there before.
Sure, they genetically modify some fruits/veggies to produce pesticides, that's what all the organics companies will tell you. What they don't tell you is that the "pesticide" can be something so simple as putting a new protein in the plant's genome.
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: Gumby]
#9024581 - 10/03/08 04:38 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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USDA organic IS a waste/joke/hoax
real organic most definitely tastes better and has no negative residues
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: Gumby]
#9024618 - 10/03/08 04:49 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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vegans, man.
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: metalmorph]
#9024637 - 10/03/08 04:52 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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when i eat a non-organic meat i can feel it in my stomach, churning, and gurgling and being gross. wheras after eating organic rice and lentils with curry (delicious) i feel more energized and its totally digested within an hour, no tummy ache. maybe i'm more sensitive that other people though, i dont know
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: Gumby]
#9024641 - 10/03/08 04:52 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Helixx said: Alot of organic food does taste better. One that I notice most often are bananas. Most fruit and vegetables are enhanced to grow bigger, and are altered to have pesticides in them. By altering, they take out vitamins or minerals that may have been there before.
Sure, they genetically modify some fruits/veggies to produce pesticides, that's what all the organics companies will tell you. What they don't tell you is that the "pesticide" can be something so simple as putting a new protein in the plant's genome.
The main problem is that they dump loads of man-made pesticides on produce. You can't just do a quick 5 second wash to get all the pesticides off the produce. Sure that gets rid of some, but definitely not all. When you don't buy organically grown fruit and vegetables, you're EATING man made pesticides. I don't know about you, but I don't want to get cancer, or other weird shit happening to my body after eating food doused in pesticides for 20 or 30 years.
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: Gumby]
#9024650 - 10/03/08 04:54 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm not critical about it with like 9/10 things, but there ARE some certain things that the taste is obviously different.
Romaine lettuce, for example. In my opinion, non-organic romaine tastes bitter and generally un-enjoyable without a dressing to hide the taste. Doesn't matter if I wash it fifty times, it still tastes this way.
Organic romaine tastes fresh, like water. I don't even need a dressing. And I don't even bother to wash it once, because it just doesn't taste like it needs it.
Romaine is mostly water, and therefore it's pretty easy to taste additives on it.
I don't bother going organic with any of the fruits I eat, or really any other vegetables either.
I guess I'm a crazy hippie vegan, though, right folks? I just do what tastes good. I trust my taste buds. Simple as that.
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: Gumby]
#9024653 - 10/03/08 04:55 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Further, what the fuck business is it of yours what other people choose to eat? Why make a stink about it? Can't you just live and let be? Or is that too much to ask of one's fellow man?
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: Gumby]
#9024658 - 10/03/08 04:56 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Annoyingly (because its a lot more expensive) a lot of the ingredients I use in food only come in 'organic' format .
However, I agree on the meat side of things... I'd much rather go down the local butchers and get organic butcher meat than store brought crap from holland (for some reason a lot of our meat comes from holland).
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: Gumby]
#9024659 - 10/03/08 04:56 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Organic milk tastes noticeably better.
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: Gumby]
#9024666 - 10/03/08 04:56 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I like organics because I don't like heavy metals and pesticides slowly building up in my body, and I like organic free range meat because I know the quality of life for the animals was a lot better and I'm not consuming man-made hormones.
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: The_Ghost]
#9024681 - 10/03/08 04:59 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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The_Ghost said: Organic milk tastes noticeably better.
I agree with that also, I bought organic full-fat milk (as that's there was) and its got a more full not-as-sweet taste as the regular full fat shit (8p price difference also).
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: HeavyToilet]
#9024686 - 10/03/08 05:00 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Helixx said: Alot of organic food does taste better. One that I notice most often are bananas. Most fruit and vegetables are enhanced to grow bigger, and are altered to have pesticides in them. By altering, they take out vitamins or minerals that may have been there before.
Sure, they genetically modify some fruits/veggies to produce pesticides, that's what all the organics companies will tell you. What they don't tell you is that the "pesticide" can be something so simple as putting a new protein in the plant's genome.
The main problem is that they dump loads of man-made pesticides on produce. You can't just do a quick 5 second wash to get all the pesticides off the produce. Sure that gets rid of some, but definitely not all. When you don't buy organically grown fruit and vegetables, you're EATING man made pesticides. I don't know about you, but I don't want to get cancer, or other weird shit happening to my body after eating food doused in pesticides for 20 or 30 years.
and you don't they think they use all sorts of FDA approved pesticides/etc...on USDA organic foods?
i don't have the link anymore, but pm pris for the list (.pdf file) of approved synthetic/semi-synth. approved chemicals that can be used/applied while still being considered USDA organic
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: Cepheus]
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I agree with that also, I bought organic full-fat milk (as that's there was) and its got a more full not-as-sweet taste as the regular full fat shit (8p price difference also).
Def. I always buy this now:
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JacquesCousteau said: Further, what the fuck business is it of yours what other people choose to eat? Why make a stink about it? Can't you just live and let be? Or is that too much to ask of one's fellow man?
I was never judging anyone. I just don't see why everyone thinks it's so amazing. Doesn't make a god damn difference to me and organic costs more. Just wondering why people eat organic, seems like a waste of money. And from the looks of it, a lot of people that eat organic foods don't know shit about shit when it comes do GM foods or farming. Seems like a fad, kinda like being "green"
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: DragonChaser]
#9024703 - 10/03/08 05:03 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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The main problem is that they dump loads of man-made pesticides on produce. You can't just do a quick 5 second wash to get all the pesticides off the produce. Sure that gets rid of some, but definitely not all. When you don't buy organically grown fruit and vegetables, you're EATING man made pesticides. I don't know about you, but I don't want to get cancer, or other weird shit happening to my body after eating food doused in pesticides for 20 or 30 years.
Pesticides are absorbed into the solid structure or fiber of the plant. The only way to get most out is by juicing. Juice is almost completely pesticide free as they reside in the fibrous part of the plant.
And you'd have to be a dipshit to not admit that pesticides cause cancer when consumed in the long run.
We consume over a quarter pound of pesticides Every year.
Take a qp of weed and feel how much that is, man.
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: Gumby]
#9024715 - 10/03/08 05:05 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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There's more to organic foods than just fruits and veggies too. Organic food stores make everything out of natural shit. They don't add chemicals or preservatives and excessive amounts of sugar. All that shit is so unnecessary. But almost every item in common grocery stores have it all.
Consider grains. They genetically modify that shit to have the preservatives in it so they don't have to add it later. That's just one thing. They totally do a lot more fucking around with it then that too. Plus, have you even tried organic bread? It actually tastes how it's supposed to. Not that soft, bleachy shit that feels like a fucking stress ball.
Most organic foods, if you look on the label for active ingredients, it is most often exactly what it should be made of. And not 25 different things that you don't even know the meaning of.
Example: Strawberry jelly. Active Ingredients: strawberrys, cornstarch..That's all
It's just ignorant to not admit that it's just better. Plain and simple.
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: Gumby]
#9024727 - 10/03/08 05:09 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Alright, sorry. It just read to me like you were kind of looking down upon those that do prefer organic.
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: chobumms]
#9024750 - 10/03/08 05:14 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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chobumms said: We consume over a quarter pound of pesticides Every year.
Says who?
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: DR. PRIME]
#9024772 - 10/03/08 05:19 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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ScYiNs47 said: Most organic foods, if you look on the label for active ingredients, it is most often exactly what it should be made of. And not 25 different things that you don't even know the meaning of.
Example: Strawberry jelly. Active Ingredients: strawberrys, cornstarch..That's all
Well, they're lying to you in that case. If it's real jelly then they HAD to use pectin. My guess is they left it out because it sounds like a chemical.
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: Gumby]
#9024786 - 10/03/08 05:21 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Gumby said: I really don't see the point of eating organic foods. The shit tastes the same, and the health benefits are very negligible. Why pay more for organic when it tastes the same? Big waste, IMHO.
The one thing that I do like about organic is that the fruits and vegetables aren't genetically modified. Like tomatoes. I fucking hate the "new" GM tomatoes that are designed for longer shelf life. You know, the really firm ones that are more like eating an apple than a tomato. Other than that, I see absolutely no advantage to organic foods.
And people who tout their "organic pot"... Are you fucking kidding me? who.fucking.cares.
actually, i can notice the taste difference in many foods. conventional farming < organic farming. tastes way better.
health benefits are far from negligible, truly organic foods have alot higher vitamin content, because they are not speed grown with crappy chemicals.
now i will agree with you that i see no point in wasting money on the organics you buy in grocery stores, because chances are theyre not completely organic. the FDA has really screwed us in that sense. now if you have a local source of organic foods and you can tour the facility and see for yourself, then i would buy it. or grow it yourself. but to say that true organic is not better is silly.
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: Gumby]
#9024867 - 10/03/08 05:35 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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or they don't use that pectin bullshit at all. you have obviously never tried organic jelly. it's not that gross watery tacky shit. did they use pectin 200 years ago? yeah fucking right
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: DR. PRIME]
#9024886 - 10/03/08 05:38 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Technically, it's probably "preserves"... I don't think they use pectin to make preserves. (Though I would imagine there would have to be some kind of preservative. I don't know. I'm not a spread major.)
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: DR. PRIME]
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ScYiNs47 said: or they don't use that pectin bullshit at all. you have obviously never tried organic jelly. it's not that gross watery tacky shit. did they use pectin 200 years ago? yeah fucking right
LOL. See, exactly why they didn't put it on the label. People like you would freak out. Do you even know what pectin is? It is found in EVERY PLANT, but not in a high enough concentration in strawberries so they have to add it to make the stuff "gel".
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: Gumby]
#9024901 - 10/03/08 05:41 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I try to buy organic for two reasons:
1. Growth hormones
2. Pesticides.
Unfortunately national standards for organic are declining, so I try to buy produce from locally grown distributors with proven green track records (actually pretty easy in the Austin area). w00t.
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: Gumby]
#9024905 - 10/03/08 05:42 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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They don't have to list inherent aspects of natural ingredients. It has to be listed when it is an additive, which it IS in most jam and jelly products, strawberry or not.
From your very wiki link, first line: a white to light brown powder, is a heteropolysaccharide derived from the cell wall of higher terrestrial plants. It was first isolated and described in 1825 by Henri Braconnot[2].
That is an isolate, added specifically to cause the gelatinous effect. (That's the next line, but I will spare you the quote as I assume you read it.)
That's like saying they should list "water" on an apple's ingredients list. It's largely comprised of water. Obviously we're being messed with here!
I prefer preserves, because they don't have that weird gelatin texture--which seems entirely strange and out of place in a fruit product, to me.
So you're saying that my strawberry or raspberry preserves should be just as gelatinous as jelly is? So why aren't they?
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: DR. PRIME]
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ScYiNs47 said: or they don't use that pectin bullshit at all. you have obviously never tried organic jelly. it's not that gross watery tacky shit. did they use pectin 200 years ago? yeah fucking right
yeah, actually they did. pectin is an all natural material taken from apples and several other unripened fruit. pectin is not a manmade chemical.
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JacquesCousteau said: Technically, it's probably "preserves"... I don't think they use pectin to make preserves. (Though I would imagine there would have to be some kind of preservative. I don't know. I'm not a spread major.)
pectin is the preservative in jellies, jams and marmalades. it is all natural and perfectly safe.
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kriminalelement said: I try to buy organic for two reasons:
1. Growth hormones
2. Pesticides.
Unfortunately national standards for organic are declining, so I try to buy produce from locally grown distributors with proven green track records (actually pretty easy in the Austin area). w00t.
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
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I never said it wasn't safe.
I simply pointed out that it seems more natural to allow the normal amount of pectin found in the fruit, (which does not need to be listed, as it is not an additive but a part of the natural ingredient) than it does to add a bunch of extra isolated pectin just to make it more gelatin-like.
I don't know what would give me that idea, though... guess I'm just a crazy vegan.
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JacquesCousteau said: They don't have to list inherent aspects of natural ingredients. It has to be listed when it is an additive, which it IS in most jam and jelly products, strawberry or not.
From your very wiki link, first line: a white to light brown powder, is a heteropolysaccharide derived from the cell wall of higher terrestrial plants. It was first isolated and described in 1825 by Henri Braconnot[2].
That is an isolate, added specifically to cause the gelatinous effect. (That's the next line, but I will spare you the quote as I assume you read it.)
That's like saying they should list "water" on an apple's ingredients list. It's largely comprised of water. Obviously we're being messed with here!
I prefer preserves, because they don't have that weird gelatin texture--which seems entirely strange and out of place in a fruit product, to me.
So you're saying that my strawberry or raspberry preserves should be just as gelatinous as jelly is? So why aren't they?
different jams, jellies, preserves and marmalades have different pectin levels. sometimes they dont add any, most fruit have pectin, some just dont have enough to preserve correctly and a little must be added.
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#9024994 - 10/03/08 05:58 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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That's all fine and well. What is your point exactly?
Are you suggesting that it is therefore impossible to produce an organic product that does not require adding pectin isolate as an additive in addition to what is found in the fruit itself?
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: DR. PRIME]
#9024998 - 10/03/08 05:58 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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ScYiNs47 said: i doubt it's a necessary ingredient
Pectin is the only thing that makes jelly or jam "work." You obviously didn't read the link. FAIL.
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: DR. PRIME]
#9025000 - 10/03/08 05:58 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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ScYiNs47 said: i doubt it's a necessary ingredient
actually it is. without it, most of your jams and jellies would be liquidy and would not preserve well. some fruit need a little more pectin to jell correctly, and some fruit have so much pectin in them that they actually need some sugar added.
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JacquesCousteau said: I never said it wasn't safe.
I simply pointed out that it seems more natural to allow the normal amount of pectin found in the fruit, (which does not need to be listed, as it is not an additive but a part of the natural ingredient) than it does to add a bunch of extra isolated pectin just to make it more gelatin-like.
I don't know what would give me that idea, though... guess I'm just a crazy vegan.
pectin is vegan. so no worries.
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
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I'm not worried. What gave you the impression that I am? Heh.
As I stated, I simply prefer to eat a less gelatinous spread, such as raspberry preserves. It seems more natural, because when I take a bunch of raspberries and mush them up, (a home-made raspberry based spread, if you will) it does not turn into gelatin in front of my eyes.
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JacquesCousteau said: That's all fine and well. What is your point exactly?
Are you suggesting that it is therefore impossible to produce an organic product that does not require adding pectin isolate as an additive in addition to what is found in the fruit itself?
im telling you that your favorite jams and jellies would not be possible without extra added pectin. there are few fruits that do not need ANY added pectin to properly jell. you would have syrup instead of jelly.
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: Gumby]
#9025020 - 10/03/08 06:02 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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fuck your link. it's beside the point anyway. organic food is better and you can't admit it. FAIL.
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JacquesCousteau said: I'm not worried. What gave you the impression that I am? Heh.
As I stated, I simply prefer to eat a less gelatinous spread, such as raspberry preserves. It seems more natural, because when I take a bunch of raspberries and mush them up, (a home-made raspberry based spread, if you will) it does not turn into gelatin in front of my eyes.
ahh, but thats not a jam or jelly, that is fresh raspberry mush. that would not stay good very long. even in a fridge.
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: DR. PRIME]
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ScYiNs47 said: fuck your link. it's beside the point anyway. organic food is better and you can't admit it. FAIL.
WOW. you are completely missing the point here. pectin IS organic. well it can be. it is all natural, it is healthy. organic jellies and jams have pectin as well.
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
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JacquesCousteau said: I'm not worried. What gave you the impression that I am? Heh.
As I stated, I simply prefer to eat a less gelatinous spread, such as raspberry preserves. It seems more natural, because when I take a bunch of raspberries and mush them up, (a home-made raspberry based spread, if you will) it does not turn into gelatin in front of my eyes.
ahh, but thats not a jam or jelly, that is fresh raspberry mush. that would not stay good very long. even in a fridge.
I agree.
What is it that you think I am trying to prove, man? As I said, I simply prefer "preserves" because the relatively lower pectin levels yield a result that is more akin to a natural product, such as a fresh raspberry "mush" spread.
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This has been a fun thread!
Thanks Gumby.
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i withdraw that earlier statement. i just looked on the label and it's fruit pectin, same shit. i was going by memory so ow no it has 3 ingredients. its still outside the fact
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JacquesCousteau said: I'm not worried. What gave you the impression that I am? Heh.
As I stated, I simply prefer to eat a less gelatinous spread, such as raspberry preserves. It seems more natural, because when I take a bunch of raspberries and mush them up, (a home-made raspberry based spread, if you will) it does not turn into gelatin in front of my eyes.
ahh, but thats not a jam or jelly, that is fresh raspberry mush. that would not stay good very long. even in a fridge.
I agree.
What is it that you think I am trying to prove, man? As I said, I simply prefer "preserves" because the relatively lower pectin levels yield a result that is more akin to a natural product, such as a fresh raspberry "mush" spread.
nothing at all. im just in an argumentative mood tonight
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
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On that note, good day sir.
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Thanks Gumby.
I was kinda thinking the same thing. It just seems to be going down hill now. I think I'm gonna abandon ship.
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: Gumby]
#9025102 - 10/03/08 06:14 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I haven't read the thread, but given the choice, I will always eat organic. I'm just particular about not having pesticides and poison on my produce. Some conventional farmers don't spray however, and some organic farmers have abyssmal farming practices; it comes down to knowing where the food has been and who has been tending it.
I once ate nothing but organic produce for four months straight; I definitely noticed a taste difference and how my body related to the food once it was ingested.
I like organic - what's the big deal. It might be largely a scam propagated by Whole Foods, but the truth is, I just don't like poison on food and enjoy the extra mental assurance that the organic label provides.
Ideally I would go out and forage for everything.
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: Gumby]
#9025186 - 10/03/08 06:34 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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JacquesCousteau said: Further, what the fuck business is it of yours what other people choose to eat? Why make a stink about it? Can't you just live and let be? Or is that too much to ask of one's fellow man?
I was never judging anyone. I just don't see why everyone thinks it's so amazing. Doesn't make a god damn difference to me and organic costs more. Just wondering why people eat organic, seems like a waste of money. And from the looks of it, a lot of people that eat organic foods don't know shit about shit when it comes do GM foods or farming. Seems like a fad, kinda like being "green"
i eat organic when i can. i think in this day and age it's impossible to not take in man made chemicals in some way shape or form... so i do what i can to reduce my intake, but at the same time i try not to be too anal about it. if i have the choice, i'll always go organic, i don't mind shelling out a couple extra bucks. it seems worth it to me... though i'm fortunate enough to have the extra cash to do so.
i have some friends though that make good money that are obsessed with saving cash... to me that is just as silly as those who are obsessed with spending cash. that's letting money run your life and thinking with your pocketbook. in the long run what matters more saving a buck or two or treating the vehicle for your consciousness with a bit of respect?
and why even be concerned with what's hip and what's trendy? being adamantly against trends is just as silly as conforming to trends. either way you are just limiting yourself. just ignore it all and do your own thing.
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: two_rivers]
#9025198 - 10/03/08 06:36 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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JacquesCousteau said: Further, what the fuck business is it of yours what other people choose to eat? Why make a stink about it? Can't you just live and let be? Or is that too much to ask of one's fellow man?
I was never judging anyone. I just don't see why everyone thinks it's so amazing. Doesn't make a god damn difference to me and organic costs more. Just wondering why people eat organic, seems like a waste of money. And from the looks of it, a lot of people that eat organic foods don't know shit about shit when it comes do GM foods or farming. Seems like a fad, kinda like being "green"
i eat organic when i can. i think in this day and age it's impossible to not take in man made chemicals in some way shape or form... so i do what i can to reduce my intake, but at the same time i try not to be too anal about it. if i have the choice, i'll always go organic, i don't mind shelling out a couple extra bucks. it seems worth it to me... though i'm fortunate enough to have the extra cash to do so.
i have some friends though that make good money that are obsessed with saving cash... to me that is just as silly as those who are obsessed with spending cash. that's letting money run your life and thinking with your pocketbook. in the long run what matters more saving a buck or two or treating the vehicle for your consciousness with a bit of respect?
and why even be concerned with what's hip and what's trendy? being adamantly against trends is just as silly as conforming to trends. either way you are just limiting yourself. just ignore it all and do your own thing.
this is exactly the way i feel. you cant stop it, but you can try your best to limit your intake.
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: MOTH]
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MOTH said: I haven't read the thread, but given the choice, I will always eat organic. I'm just particular about not having pesticides and poison on my produce. Some conventional farmers don't spray however, and some organic farmers have abyssmal farming practices; it comes down to knowing where the food has been and who has been tending it.
i used to work on a farm (still do, but not this same one), we don't grow anything edible, but the farmers across the street grow "organic" carrots.
it was a small town and sometimes late at night coming back from dinner in town, driving back by the farms, i'd see some field hands out there with a spray rig... kinda makes you wonder what they are spraying in the cover of darkness on those "organic" carrots...
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I buy more local foods and OG dry stuff (salt flour baking stuff).. I only use OG flour for my sourdough starter...
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: Brainiac]
#9025600 - 10/03/08 07:58 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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When I can, I prefer to eat what I grow out of my own yard, which is grown organically. Failing that, I do, yes, buy all my produce at a high end supermarket, and buy all organic, unless the produce is, say, going into soup or some other application where you would never notice the quality of the produce. I do this on an 8.50/ hour wage. Organic food really isn't that much more expensive than regular produce, even though everyone seems to think it is. The reason people get this idea, I think, has a lot to do with the stores.
Mostly, the stores that carry organic food cater to a richer, yuppie crowd, who don't think twice about spending $10 on a pound of tomatoes. I do my shopping at a local Bigg's that carries organic produce, and they usually only tack an extra dollar or so onto the pricetag.
If the OP or anyone else in this thread believes that organic is hooey, i'd like to pose a challenge. Go to a butcher at your local grocery store, and pick up a couple of steaks. Then, go to a hoity-toity grocery store, and buy some organic, grass-fed, free range steaks. Grill those puppies up and take them both down, and then try and tell me they taste the same.
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: Angered Roach]
#9025674 - 10/03/08 08:11 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Try to find a co-op.. The name "USDA ORGANIC" on product cost alot of money..
I do grow alot of my own food using 100% organic from seeds to harvest. One bad time with some pesticide as a kid is enough...
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: Angered Roach]
#9025717 - 10/03/08 08:21 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Since ingesting chemicals has been mentioned, I'll say one of the main reasons I buy organic and local foods is because of soil quality. I'm really concerned about how we are degrading the earth and depleting all the nutrition in the soil with massive industrial monocultures. Industrial ag. treats the Earth and its soil like a machine rather than something living, pumping synthetic simplified chemicals into the soil to force the production of crops, using pesticides to remove life, nullifying biodiversity.
I try to buy seasonally from local reputable vendors who I know practice crop rotation, composting, and stick to premaculture practices.
Giant supermarket organic lines are a bad mockery of the movement. Most of that food grows right next to everything else, just like it's placed on the shelves. I find Albertson's and other big supermarkets produce to be almost inedible and deplete of flavor, organic or not.
If you want a fine example of organic versus non-organic look at marijuana quality. That principle can be applied to produce as well.
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: jazzillion]
#9025750 - 10/03/08 08:29 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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jazzillion said: Since ingesting chemicals has been mentioned, I'll say one of the main reasons I buy organic and local foods is because of soil quality. I'm really concerned about how we are degrading the earth and depleting all the nutrition in the soil with massive industrial monocultures. Industrial ag. treats the Earth and its soil like a machine rather than something living, pumping synthetic simplified chemicals into the soil to force the production of crops, using pesticides to remove life, nullifying biodiversity.
I try to buy seasonally from local reputable vendors who I know practice crop rotation, composting, and stick to premaculture practices.
Giant supermarket organic lines are a bad mockery of the movement. Most of that food grows right next to everything else, just like it's placed on the shelves. I find Albertson's and other big supermarkets produce to be almost inedible and deplete of flavor, organic or not.
If you want a fine example of organic versus non-organic look at marijuana quality. That principle can be applied to produce as well.
Well, now, I don't know about that last one. Weed is better without chemicals, yes, but hydro is just as good as weed out of the ground, and hydro wouldn't be considered organic.
I wish we had a co-op around here...we've got the farmer's market, which is awesome and always a blast, but it's only open on weekends and is in a really shitty part of town. The parking lot there is tiny as hell and usually full. When it's full, your only option is to leave your car parked in some crack alley, in the poorest, most violent part of town (no joke). How a farmer's market aimed at upper-class whites ended up in the roughest ghetto in Cincinnati is beyond me...
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: Angered Roach]
#9025950 - 10/03/08 09:08 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hydro can be organic..Plants really don't care where there food comes from...
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: Brainiac]
#9026123 - 10/03/08 09:44 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well, organic excludes the use of chemical fertilizers as well as pesticides. Chemical pesticides are easily avoided in hydro, in fact, are rarely needed, however, chemical ferts and nutrients are a very essential part of hydroponics. The two are inseperable. I have nothing against hydroponics, for weed or for food use, but by the legal definition, hydro is not, and can never be, organic, barring some major breakthough in agriculture down the line.
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: Angered Roach]
#9026419 - 10/03/08 11:10 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Really depends on the food.
Organic buckwheat pancakes will keep me full all day, and taste hardy. Organic milk tastes a lot better than the bullshit at Aldi's. Nothing, nothing beats organic meat that you have to shoot and gut yourself. It's awesome. Puts hair on your chest.
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: Gumby]
#9026505 - 10/03/08 11:37 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Gumby said: The one thing that I do like about organic is that the fruits and vegetables aren't genetically modified.
thats not entirely true, 90% of the market is controlled by the same large companies that have bastardized the FDA organics program, most of what you're buying as 'organic' isnt truly organic, 5% of pest control and fertilization can be synthetic in nature (may be more, this was 4 years ago) and there's no ruling against GMO seed
I've made several threads and hundreds of posts on this very topic
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: Gumby]
#9026554 - 10/03/08 11:49 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I only eat food that was fertilized with unicorn manure.
BTW, did you know that a small amount of the pectin you consume is converted into methanol in the body?
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Re: Organic foods... who gives a fuck? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#9026715 - 10/04/08 12:30 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hydroponic from the Greek words hydro (water) and ponos (labour)
As long as the nutrients are Organic chemicals(Ie bat,fish,worm shit tea) it can be.
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