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InvisibleStonyPeach
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Re: Degree in Mycology? [Re: Plasmid]
    #9488100 - 12/24/08 07:59 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I definently agree with you Plasmid, and am in the process of attending a nice university for almost nothing due to scholarships.
Honestly, its not that hard, it just takes a little more work then most are willing to contribute. I fully intend on utilizing everything available to further my education, networking with professors who work with mycology and joining one of the many research teams on campus. Why pay for anything when a little hard work is all it takes to get it for free?


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Re: Degree in Mycology? [Re: Plasmid]
    #9488491 - 12/24/08 10:04 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Plasmid is absolutely correct on this.  I went to college.  I have a BS in Chemistry.  I attended school on test days only- literally.  School was never hard for me and as such it was a joke.  BUT, without that stupid piece of paper, no one was willing to hire me.  So, I "wasted" some time and money and got that paper.


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Re: Degree in Mycology? [Re: Plasmid]
    #9489217 - 12/24/08 12:59 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

"I don't see how anyone in this day and age can think that it is even remotely beneficial not to attend university"

There are millions of x students (including biology and chemistry) in the US who owe money to loan companies. And will not pay them back based on their degree.  The us mostly ignores this fact. There are no jobs for these should be scientist. I do not have a lot of faith in university, there are exceptions, but I am talking the failure of the general mass.  Failure Rates seemed to be ignored. No one is thinking of changing this.  It began long before college but for some reason someone decided "hey college will cost money and if you want to survive you better get a degree and a job". (Take this loan my friend (easiest to get)  A finger is than pointed at a some idiot. look look look over there .
Dionysus just ate mushrooms and is dancing recklessly in a frenzy. 
He no longer understand theory anymore hes dropped out gravity pull upwards
and simultaneously, prometheus escapes some body
Love Peace 
As he comes to his senses 
Sorry to go off topic But was this "advanced" in the first place what did that have to do with advanced mycology.


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Re: Degree in Mycology? [Re: Plasmid]
    #9489887 - 12/24/08 03:11 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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rungi said:
"I don't see how anyone in this day and age can think that it is even remotely beneficial not to attend university"

There are millions of x students (including biology and chemistry) in the US who owe money to loan companies. And will not pay them back based on their degree.  The us mostly ignores this fact. There are no jobs for these should be scientist. I do not have a lot of faith in university, there are exceptions, but I am talking the failure of the general mass.  Failure Rates seemed to be ignored. No one is thinking of changing this.  It began long before college but for some reason someone decided "hey college will cost money and if you want to survive you better get a degree and a job". (Take this loan my friend (easiest to get)  A finger is than pointed at a some idiot. look look look over there .
Dionysus just ate mushrooms and is dancing recklessly in a frenzy. 
He no longer understand theory anymore hes dropped out gravity pull upwards
and simultaneously, prometheus escapes some body
Love Peace 
As he comes to his senses 
Sorry to go off topic But was this "advanced" in the first place what did that have to do with advanced mycology.




  Wow I'm sorry but you lost me with that... I honestly have no idea what point you were trying to make.
Yes, there are a lot of students who owe loan money to the government, and yes, loans take a long time to pay off. However, not having the money to attend college should never discourage anyone. I lived in a household where 8 people depended on one income, leaving little to spare for college yet I have managed to find my way there. All it takes, as I have said, is perserverence and hard work. Loans are obviously not the only option and therefore should never keep anyone out of college.

As far as what is this thread doing under "advanced mycology"?
I do believe becoming a professional mycologist does not epitomize that topic anymore.
My two cents,

Peach


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Re: Degree in Mycology? [Re: Elixier]
    #9490105 - 12/24/08 04:13 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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RogerRabbit, how did you come to know so much about mycology. . .you've been to 32 different countries, worked with Stamets in the early days, and you also want to start a mushroom farm. . .what paths did you travel to get where you are at now?  Did you ever graduate college





I picked up a hitch hiker almost 40 years ago, who was on his way from the big city to the countryside to pick cubensis.  He showed me a patch or two and we literally filled up a couple of large plastic trash bags so completely full we could hardly lift them. I picked up a couple of cow patties on that trip that had 'mushroom roots' and put them in my compost pile where they took off and fruited. Been hooked on growing ever since.  In the early days, there were no books on growing, no pf tek, no grain prep teks, etc, so it was really tough to get started.  Most of what I learned, such as 'mushroom roots' are actually mycelium, came from experience and observation.

I have two degrees.  One in mechanical engineering and a second degree in electrical engineering.  I don't 'use' either one.  I also have a journeyman electrician license and am a member of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers trade union, and use that when working because electricians make more money than engineers.
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Re: Degree in Mycology? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #9490133 - 12/24/08 04:25 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I hope you keep us updated on your progress with the mushroom farm!
I am currently a student in college with interests in environmental science and now mycology and botany, and someday hope to help mold the future in "green" techology and practices as well.

Basically, I just love science. LOL

Peach


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Re: Degree in Mycology? [Re: StonyPeach]
    #9490274 - 12/24/08 05:20 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

College should not cost money.  If you were to set up a goverment would you charge people to contribute to society. (For the benefit of the mass) I would pay people to go to college. Wake up.  The system is backwards.  Investment should be in the people.  Why should a future mycologist have to pay, recite several scientific prayers, get very good grades, tests scores, and letters of recommendations to go to grad school and than maybe contribute to society? One may study and experiment for 20 years before he discovers what can be explained in few seconds. This person is a benefit to society.  This principle alone distinguishes man for all other animals.  The potentials are beyond comprehension. It can be decsribe as a exponential function.


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Re: Degree in Mycology? [Re: rungi]
    #9490388 - 12/24/08 05:57 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

It's a proved fact that people with degrees pay much more in taxes over their lifetimes than the cost of the degree itself.  Therefore, it's a wise financial investment for government to pay for advanced education and many industrialized nations do. 
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Re: Degree in Mycology? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #9490705 - 12/24/08 07:24 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Wow RodgerRabbit I can only hope that when I get older I can be placed in a situation as lucky as that. :smile: I too would be interesting a degree in mycology and/or bryology(study of moss), but the heavy requirements and lack of availability in surrounding colleges puts that goal to a distance. So computer science degree at a community college will have to do...

Keep us posted on how that whole thing goes, I'd be interested to see if I couldn't be a part of something like that in my area even if it was volunteer.


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Re: Degree in Mycology? [Re: smaerd]
    #9492487 - 12/25/08 06:02 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

i don´t know how it works the university in the United States, I study in Spain, am near finishing agronomy engineering and mycology is one of my passions .. Rungi, you say you can teach yourself more than in the university, ok, let me know the way to do electrophoresis, ADN extractions, molecular marker analysis, etc at home. This is definitely impossible without wasting, at least the same money (or more) i pay here for my classes. I built a flowhood, i bought a microscope and i really enjoy doing experiments at home, but the university gives me the possibility of doing a real research in something related to mycology, and the best thing is that you can choose (more or less) what you want to do, and work in a real investigation center with the sufficient technology available to reach valid results and with people who can teach you the way that cientific method works.


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Re: Degree in Mycology? [Re: troncotron]
    #9493904 - 12/25/08 04:10 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I don't want to waste my time with boring biochemsitry experiments. Why would you want to do those things? Seriously, to make money for monsanto.  Fuck them.  If you like that yes go to the university and you will do experiments using these apparatus in biochemisty lab before your made into a monsanto employee.  I did this school thing and leaned little useful knowledge.  I know I was foolish.  I suggest working on your own reserch for four years.  Fermentations for example are a good choice and more interesting and useful.  They can often be done at home.  At your house you could perfect the following beer, mushrooms, bread, youghurt, or cheese on small scale.  You may even be able to sell these products.  You might make more money than a monsanto employee.  God knows the products listed are far better for human beings, additionally, you will become a  "real" researching alchemist"  Once you become skilled you can consult, write, or recruit investors.  These people don't care about your degree. 
Good luck, hope this helps. 
Hey your in Spain
You ever pick wild P. eryngii?
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Re: Degree in Mycology? [Re: rungi]
    #9495996 - 12/26/08 03:26 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

you have mentioned to monsanto in 3 occasions and it does not have anything to see with this, has someone spoken here about genetic transformation? Do you know conservation of forest resources? the technologie of molecular markers is a great help at the moment of preserving threatened species, establishing kinships, realizing genetic maps, etc ..there is a good team of research studying this in my university, forget OMG please. I´m not talking about any paper or diploma,what i say and think its obvius is that if you are interested in some matter, you will have much more possibilities to learn about it in the university than at home.Here you have laboratories, really expensive books and lots of doctors to your disposition in order to create a solid base of knowledge. otherwise, it is possible that you don´t like biotechnology, but what you comment of the fermentations is a magnificent example of it, the utilization of alive organisms in order to obtain product of value (beer, cheese ..)
ah, i´ve never picked wild eryngii,but i´ve a print and i´d like to grow them indoor


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Re: Degree in Mycology? [Re: troncotron]
    #9496099 - 12/26/08 05:25 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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troncotron said:
i don´t know how it works the university in the United States, I study in Spain, am near finishing agronomy engineering and mycology is one of my passions .. Rungi, you say you can teach yourself more than in the university, ok, let me know the way to do electrophoresis, ADN extractions, molecular marker analysis, etc at home. This is definitely impossible without wasting, at least the same money (or more) i pay here for my classes. I built a flowhood, i bought a microscope and i really enjoy doing experiments at home, but the university gives me the possibility of doing a real research in something related to mycology, and the best thing is that you can choose (more or less) what you want to do, and work in a real investigation center with the sufficient technology available to reach valid results and with people who can teach you the way that cientific method works.




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