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DMT Extraction (from mimosa) DOUBTS
    #9008165 - 09/30/08 03:02 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Ok so I'm planning to use this method:

http://www.dmtextraction.org/mimosa3dmtextraction.htm

Have you ever used info from this site? Or even this extraction method?

I have a 98-99% pure Lye(NaOH), I guess it will be OK?

there's a step when it says:


7. Repeat steps 4 to 6 three more times. Leave the last NP extraction in the jar for a day or two, agitating occasionally to pick up any strays.

8. Go to bed. You should have a collection of snow globes waiting for you in the morning.



So I wonder how long should I exactly wait to get on with the process?

And if you have any tips or suggestions, please let me know, thank you. 

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Re: DMT Extraction (from mimosa) DOUBTS [Re: Hiei]
    #9008234 - 09/30/08 03:16 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I don't have a separatory funnel, what's "siphoning and decanting"?


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Re: DMT Extraction (from mimosa) DOUBTS [Re: Primal Glitch]
    #9008524 - 09/30/08 04:13 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Noman's tek is good, just ignore the ammonia wash step (Noman has since abandoned it, since it doesn't actually accomplish anything).  Also, I'd recommend not using glass jars for your extraction vessel; lye etches glass. Use HDPE#2 containers. (Freeze-precipping the DMT from the naphtha is fine in glass)

98-99% lye could be fine, but you can't be 100% sure unless you know what the other 1-2% is.

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So I wonder how long should I exactly wait to get on with the process?




I don't understand the question.  A day or two on step 7, overnight on step 8, just like it says.


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I don't have a separatory funnel, what's "siphoning and decanting"?




A seperatory funnel doesn't help with this method anyway, unless you're using DCM instead of naphtha.

Siphoning - using suction to remove liquid ... wikipedia explanation

Decanting - carefully pouring off the top layer


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Re: DMT Extraction (from mimosa) DOUBTS [Re: Entropymancer]
    #9008545 - 09/30/08 04:19 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Noman's tek is good, just ignore the ammonia wash step (Noman has since abandoned it, since it doesn't actually accomplish anything).  Also, I'd recommend not using glass jars for your extraction vessel; lye etches glass. Use HDPE#2 containers. (Freeze-precipping the DMT from the naphtha is fine in glass)

98-99% lye could be fine, but you can't be 100% sure unless you know what the other 1-2% is.

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So I wonder how long should I exactly wait to get on with the process?




I don't understand the question.  A day or two on step 7, overnight on step 8, just like it says.


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I don't have a separatory funnel, what's "siphoning and decanting"?




A seperatory funnel doesn't help with this method anyway, unless you're using DCM instead of naphtha.

Siphoning - using suction to remove liquid ... wikipedia explanation

Decanting - carefully pouring off the top layer




Couldn't have said it better.


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Re: DMT Extraction (from mimosa) DOUBTS [Re: ThirdEyeOpening]
    #9008550 - 09/30/08 04:21 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

It is ridiculous how much Entropymancer knows about DMT extractions.


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Re: DMT Extraction (from mimosa) DOUBTS [Re: Entropymancer]
    #9008572 - 09/30/08 04:26 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't understand the question.  A day or two on step 7, overnight on step 8, just like it says.





Ok but what if I do it in the morning? :lol:

And are you sure I don't need to use ammonia? It says "This will remove any remaining lye and some other impurities from the extract."

PS: Yea it really is ridiculous how much he knows lol :thumbup:


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Re: DMT Extraction (from mimosa) DOUBTS [Re: bryguy27007]
    #9008581 - 09/30/08 04:29 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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It is ridiculous how much Entropymancer knows about DMT extractions.




Thats what im sayin. That dude could write a book.


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Re: DMT Extraction (from mimosa) DOUBTS [Re: Hiei]
    #9008590 - 09/30/08 04:31 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

If you start the whole process in the morning, you will be decanting your first pull in about 2+hrs.

You will be pouring your 4th amount of naptha into your jar in about 4-5 hrs

And since it recommends letting it sit for a day, your first three jars will be ready before you freeze your 4th


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Re: DMT Extraction (from mimosa) DOUBTS [Re: 513orangejuice]
    #9008597 - 09/30/08 04:32 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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It is ridiculous how much Entropymancer knows about DMT extractions.





Aint it, he really is a big help in a pinch.


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Re: DMT Extraction (from mimosa) DOUBTS [Re: Hiei]
    #9008600 - 09/30/08 04:32 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

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I don't understand the question.  A day or two on step 7, overnight on step 8, just like it says.





Ok but what if I do it in the morning? :lol:

And are you sure I don't need to use ammonia? It says "This will remove any remaining lye and some other impurities from the extract."






I'm paraphrasing Entropymancer here I think.
It is like trying to get dirt out of the center of an ice cube by pouring liquid on it.
The ammonia won't get any impurities out.

That is what I understand, let somebody with more knowledge back that up.


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Re: DMT Extraction (from mimosa) DOUBTS [Re: bryguy27007]
    #9008609 - 09/30/08 04:35 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

Hiei said:
Quote:

Entropymancer said:

I don't understand the question.  A day or two on step 7, overnight on step 8, just like it says.





Ok but what if I do it in the morning? :lol:

And are you sure I don't need to use ammonia? It says "This will remove any remaining lye and some other impurities from the extract."






I'm paraphrasing Entropymancer here I think.
It is like trying to get dirt out of the center of an ice cube by pouring liquid on it.
The ammonia won't get any impurities out.

That is what I understand, let somebody with more knowledge back that up.




Yup, you got it.  If there's lye in the product, it will be tiny particles at the center of the crystals.  Pouring ammonia over the outside of the crystals won't help, it'll just risk losing some DMT.


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Re: DMT Extraction (from mimosa) DOUBTS [Re: bryguy27007]
    #9008615 - 09/30/08 04:37 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

EDIT: Thank you :thumbup:

How will I get rid of those impurities, then?

DO I have to recrystallize?


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Re: DMT Extraction (from mimosa) DOUBTS [Re: Hiei]
    #9008621 - 09/30/08 04:39 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Ok but what if I do it in the morning? :lol:




After 8 hours, most of the DMT in there should have precipitated.  If you want to be on the safe side, you can wait 12 hours.  But if you're going to reuse the naphtha for subsequent pulls, then it doesn't matter if you get 100% of it out the first time.

If your freezer doesn't get cold enough, then it might be worth waiting 24-36 hours, but really, not much more is likely to crash out after 12 hours unless the freezer is really warm.


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Re: DMT Extraction (from mimosa) DOUBTS [Re: Hiei]
    #9008641 - 09/30/08 04:45 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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How will I get rid of those impurities, then?

DO I have to recrystallize? 




Recrystallizing is recommended with these sort of straight-to-base teks, since they seem to yield a slightly harsher product than acid/base extractions.  Recrystallizing gets rid of whatever the harshness comes from, but it isn't likely to get rid of any lye microparticles (since these are insoluble in naphtha, they'll just serve as "seeds" for the crystals to grow on).

If you're really concerned about potential lye contamination, you can wash the naphtha with a solution of sodium carbonate before freeze-precipitating (for details on this step, see Vovin's tek, 2nd file in the first post through this link)



And thanks everyone for the comliments throughout the thread :sunny:


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Re: DMT Extraction (from mimosa) DOUBTS [Re: bryguy27007]
    #9009459 - 09/30/08 07:19 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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It is ridiculous how much Entropymancer knows about DMT extractions.




Almost as if he knows some chemistry. :tongue:


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Re: DMT Extraction (from mimosa) DOUBTS [Re: 513orangejuice]
    #9009688 - 09/30/08 08:00 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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It is ridiculous how much Entropymancer knows about DMT extractions.




Thats what im sayin. That dude could write a book.




I would buy it. :smile:

I am a tard when it comes to this kind of stuff and all the steps / materials involved, but you guys are starting to explain it in a way where I may actually give it a go. The spice has been screaming in the back of my consciousness for ages now.


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Re: DMT Extraction (from mimosa) DOUBTS [Re: EthericOctopuss]
    #9012697 - 10/01/08 12:23 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Ok guys I'm here:

4. Now add 1ml naptha per gram of bark in the mixing jar and turn the jar end over end. Do not shake or splash or there will be a tendency for the solution to form an emulsion. Simply roll the naptha around in the bark solution. Do this for one minute and then let the jar stand until the naptha has pretty much separated to the top. Repeat agitation three more times.


What should I see exactly? I've done that but can't see any separation in the jar.

Thank youz



edit: and what's the "agitation" I should repeat 3 times? just the rolling the naphta around? :kickflip:


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Re: DMT Extraction (from mimosa) DOUBTS [Re: Hiei]
    #9013278 - 10/01/08 03:12 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

OK there was a thin naphta layer on the top and I took some of it out with a spoon (dont have a separatory funnel) but I can't take it all out. I guess this naphta contains DMT? But why do I need to extract it four times and put it in a different jar everytime?


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Re: DMT Extraction (from mimosa) DOUBTS [Re: Hiei]
    #9013321 - 10/01/08 03:22 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

You do it 4 times to make sure you get most if not all the DMT out.

You dont really need to use 4 jars, you can put all 4 pulls in the same jar if it will fit.

If the 4 pulls wont fit in one jar, you can evap the total naptha until it becomes a usable volume, and it will become 'saturated' with the DMT.

That thin layer on the top of the black water/lye/bark is the naptha containing the DMT.

If you dont have a sep funnel or a eye dropper to pull it off, you can decant it.

Decanting just means you slowly pour off the top layer trying not to have any of the water/lye/bark mixture come with it.

When i decant, what ill do is pour the top layer into one jar, and make sure i get most all of it, and maybe a little of the black sluge.

Then pour that jar into another jar making sure the sludge stays in the first.

If you leave a little naptha in the first jar because you just cant get the sludge to stay, its ok, better to lose a little DMT then get lye in your product.

Then you can freeze-precipitate your second jar.


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Re: DMT Extraction (from mimosa) DOUBTS [Re: Hiei]
    #9013329 - 10/01/08 03:23 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, it contains DMT.  If most of your naphtha isn't coming out, it's possible you don't have enough water in there, and the naphtha is trapped in the sludge.  Saturating the water with salt (use rocksalt or seasalt, nothing iodized, nothing with anticaking agents) can help also, as will heating the mixture by running it under hot water.

You need to do several pulls with naphtha because DMT is not really tremendously soluble in naphtha at room temperature; it's just a convenient solvent due to the fact that the DMT can be freeze-precipitated.  Best-case-scenario you're getting 60-70% of the DMT on each pull.

It says to put it in a different jar each time so you can start feeeze-precipitating immediately each time.  If you're not in a hurry, you can wait until the spice has precipitated, and reuse the same naphtha for all of the pulls.

A sep funnel wont help at all unless you're using DCM as your solvent (with STB teks that is; it's downright handy for A/B extractions).  You can use a turkey baster, or decant it a couple times (like thirdeye described)


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