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Tryptamine?
    #5392882 - 03/12/06 08:21 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

quote from Paul Stamets P. Mushrooms of the World
"Gartz determined that psilocin levels of flushes where naturally low (.1%) from a sterilized cow dung and rice, but could be raised up to 3.3% with the addition of only 25 mg of tryptamine into 10 grams of substrate. Furthermore, his study showed at least 22% of psilocybin was derived from the intoduced radioactivly tagged tryptamine."

heres my questions
1. where can one obtain tryptamine? (doesnt sound easy since its radioactive)
2. has anyone tried it, and is it worth it?
3. whats an easy way to measure mg?


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Re: Tryptamine? [Re: MindsEye]
    #5392898 - 03/12/06 08:25 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Where did you find that info? I would like to read it if you can give me a link


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Re: Tryptamine? [Re: MindsEye]
    #5392899 - 03/12/06 08:25 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

1. Tryptamine can be found in several substances if you do a search about it you will find that many threads regarding varying substances containing Tryp have been discussed.

2. People have experimented with various Tryp containing substances but due to the answer to number 3 we cannot give any definitive.

3. There is no easy way to measure the MG per G of Psilocin and Psilocybin content, to do so would require the use of a Gas Spectrometer. And they are neither cheap nor small.

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Re: Tryptamine? [Re: Darkenshroom]
    #5392931 - 03/12/06 08:37 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

The info is found in Paul Stamets book psilocybin Mushrooms of the World.

and also Im not trying to measure mg for psilocin content, it says 25 mg for 10 grams of substrate.


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Re: Tryptamine? [Re: MindsEye]
    #5392945 - 03/12/06 08:42 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Ahh if that is the case I would suggest getting a medical digital scale or at least a digital that can weight in grains (for gunpowder) then calculate the conversion to milligrams. Grain scales are cheaper and more accessible I think, even my digi does grains.

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Re: Tryptamine? [Re: Darkenshroom]
    #8996291 - 09/28/08 01:14 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Hasn't anyone considered the addition of melatonin to the substrate?  The chemical name for melatonin like you find in the store is (5-MeO-Tryptamine)---

wouldn't the fungus like to digest that into some extra  extras!!:tongue2:


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Re: Tryptamine? [Re: MindsEye]
    #8996306 - 09/28/08 01:21 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Furthermore, his study showed at least 22% of psilocybin was derived from the intoduced radioactivly tagged tryptamine
heres my questions
1. where can one obtain tryptamine? (doesnt sound easy since its radioactive)




tryptamines aren't radioactive. what they meant in that first line is that they were radioactively TAGGED to make it more easily observable whether or not there was any effect


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Re: Tryptamine? [Re: phaseflux]
    #8997061 - 09/28/08 08:29 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Radioactive tagging = replacing an atom in the molecule with a radioactive isotope of the same element.


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Re: Tryptamine? [Re: Darkenshroom]
    #8997144 - 09/28/08 09:18 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Darkenshroom said:
3. There is no easy way to measure the MG per G of Psilocin and Psilocybin content, to do so would require the use of a Gas Spectrometer. And they are neither cheap nor small.

Darken
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Wrong, you can always do the more basic chromatography type tests.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/8853761/an/0/page/1 is a discussion on the topic, but that is medium/advanced chemistry.


And expect to pay at least ~$175 for a scale that can do milligrams.
If it doesn't come with a hood its a bunch of lies, IMHO.
Just look at a scale that can do milligrams and its numbers change.


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Re: Tryptamine? [Re: alkylbenzene23]
    #8997202 - 09/28/08 10:06 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Can you give a page reference for that? As I read it, it's 25 millimolars of tryptamine added to cow dung and rice media. Page 36.

I'm not a chemist - have you done the math such that it factors out to 25 mg per 10 g of substrate?

EDIT: Ok, page 110 - 25 millimolars in 10 g of substrate. That's a volume measurement, not weight. You'll have to do some math to figure out how much of your chosen tryptamine goes into solution to arrive at that measurement.


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Re: Tryptamine? [Re: Gojira45]
    #8997543 - 09/28/08 12:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

This has been covered over and over for years.  It should be noted that NOBODY has ever been able to duplicate those results, which is the first rule of science.
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Re: Tryptamine? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #8997596 - 09/28/08 12:57 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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which is the first rule of science.
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i thought the first rule of science is that you don't talk about science.


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Re: Tryptamine? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #9001436 - 09/29/08 08:35 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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This has been covered over and over for years.  It should be noted that NOBODY has ever been able to duplicate those results, which is the first rule of science.
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When I read that page, I did kinda wonder why the forums were not flooded with 'how do I add tryptamine to my sub' posts...


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Re: Tryptamine? [Re: Gojira45]
    #9001671 - 09/29/08 10:45 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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When I read that page, I did kinda wonder why the forums were not flooded with 'how do I add tryptamine to my sub' posts..




They have been repeatedly, for years.  That's why when I see these threads I have to roll my eyes.  It's just that nobody has found that paragraph in his book for a few months.  A 'search' will reveal hundreds of threads on the subject, none of which has resulted in any success stories.

Melatonin has also been added with no discernible effect.  If you want more potent mushrooms, isolate strains on agar for potency, or grow a more potent species.
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Re: Tryptamine? [Re: Gojira45]
    #9007371 - 09/30/08 12:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

for any kiddies interested you can WIKI 'millimolar solution' and it is a expression of weight in solution... I think.  sort of like an equimolar solution...  Paul Stamets book 'psilocybe mushrooms of the world' has this reference to Gartz and I think he says, "25mg tryptamine HCL in the sub..."


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