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 Re: Conservatives are Asking Palin to Quit  [Re: creekfreek]
#9693937 - 01/28/09 12:44 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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creekfreek said:
Sarah Palin, I wonder if she realizes how much of a joke she really is.
No she doesn't. Her thinking that she's fit to be a president is actually scary! What a knit whit.
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lonestar2004
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Re: Conservatives are Asking Palin to Quit [Re: creekfreek]
#9693960 - 01/28/09 12:46 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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creekfreek said:
Sarah Palin, I wonder if she realizes how much of a joke she really is.
Unfortunately people used to and continue to say the same thing about Ron Paul....
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Re: Conservatives are Asking Palin to Quit [Re: Hotnuts]
#9693984 - 01/28/09 12:50 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hotnuts said:
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creekfreek said:
Sarah Palin, I wonder if she realizes how much of a joke she really is.
No she doesn't. Her thinking that she's fit to be a president is actually scary! What a knit whit.
i used to think the same thing about Obama, he proved me wrong.
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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"
We have "reckless fiscal policies"
America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.
Americans deserve better
Barack Obama
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Re: Conservatives are Asking Palin to Quit [Re: lonestar2004]
#9694031 - 01/28/09 12:56 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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lonestar2004 said:
One thing i like about Palin (imo) is that she's not like the other whores in Washingon DC, she's an outsider and seems more Genuine to me.
Oh, I see. Being folksy is certainly an important conservative value. Certainly much more important than her positions on foreign and domestic policy. 
It seems to me that what you love about Palin is what the masses of Obamanites love about Obama. He seems genuine, talks a good talk, and represents a breath of fresh air. Who cares about the piddly details of what we can genuinely expect them to do while in office.
All hail the Cult of Personality!
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Re: Conservatives are Asking Palin to Quit [Re: Entropymancer]
#9694188 - 01/28/09 01:33 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Entropymancer said:
Who cares about the piddly details of what we can genuinely expect them to do while in office.
You want details?
Bob Barr Voted for the Patriot Act but Says He is Sorry...
Bob Barr Anti-Drug coordinator for the Department of Justice
Bob Barr wrote the Defense of Marriage Act and he's been married three times!!!!
Bob Barr was a House manager of the Clinton impeachment, but he lied under oath about adultery during one of his own divorces..
Bob Barr a strong supporter and a member of the Task Force for a Drug-Free America and created LAWS with the expressed goal of "winning the War on Drugs
Bob Barr single-handedly stopped legislation intended to legalize Medicinal Marijuana 
http://www.nolanchart.com/article3977.html
Entropymancer did you vote for Bob Barr because of his awesome "details"??? or so you could say that you did not vote for a democrat or a republican?
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America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.
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Re: Conservatives are Asking Palin to Quit [Re: lonestar2004]
#9694202 - 01/28/09 01:36 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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What's your obsession with Bob Barr today? I asked about Palin.
I didn't vote for Bob Barr. The more I read about him, the more I disliked his record. It told a very different story than his professed platform. I wrote in Ron Paul even though he wasn't on the ticket; none of the options were too my liking.
But that has nothing to do with the fact that your Palin-worship looks exactly like the Obamanites worshipping the Messiah.
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Re: Conservatives are Asking Palin to Quit [Re: Entropymancer]
#9694262 - 01/28/09 01:50 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Entropymancer said:
What's your obsession with Bob Barr today? I asked about Palin.
I didn't vote for Bob Barr. The more I read about him, the more I disliked his record. It told a very different story than his professed platform. I wrote in Ron Paul even though he wasn't on the ticket; none of the options were too my liking.
But that has nothing to do with the fact that your Palin-worship looks exactly like the Obamanites worshipping the Messiah.
Ron Paul was my first choice. As a Ron Paul supporter i not only contributed money but i also posted signs with other Ron Paul supporters all around town. we called our selves "Paulites" ( i wonder if you are going to now call me a Ron Paul worshiper...)
I knew a lot about Ron Paul way before he ran for president. (his district is very close to mine)
did you do much research about him? Ron Paul also has some shady "details" about his record that i did not like but tried to over look.
i never talked about them because it would have just given Zappa more ammunition. Besides NOBODY IS PERFECT! including all the candidates that were running for president of the united states.
and please Zappa dont ask who is Ron Paul? that joke is played out. 
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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"
We have "reckless fiscal policies"
America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.
Americans deserve better
Barack Obama
Edited by lonestar2004 (01/28/09 01:51 PM)
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Re: Conservatives are Asking Palin to Quit [Re: lonestar2004]
#9694305 - 01/28/09 02:01 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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So getting back to the original question, what is it about Sarah Palin that appeals to intelligent convervatives?
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Re: Conservatives are Asking Palin to Quit [Re: lonestar2004]
#9694310 - 01/28/09 02:01 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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in fact Ron Paul and Sarah Palin are the only two politicians i have contributed money to in years.....
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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"
We have "reckless fiscal policies"
America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.
Americans deserve better
Barack Obama
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Re: Conservatives are Asking Palin to Quit [Re: Entropymancer]
#9694342 - 01/28/09 02:08 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Entropymancer said:
So getting back to the original question, what is it about Sarah Palin that appeals to intelligent convervatives?
being pro-life is a big one.
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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"
We have "reckless fiscal policies"
America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.
Americans deserve better
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Re: Conservatives are Asking Palin to Quit [Re: Entropymancer]
#9694360 - 01/28/09 02:11 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sarah Palin Versus Mike Huckabee for 2012 Nomination
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the 2008 GOP vice presidential nominee, got a 67% "very/somewhat likely" score.
• Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee: 65%.
• Former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney: 61%
• Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani: 57%.
• Former House speaker Newt Gingrich: 52%.
• Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal: 44%.
• Florida Gov. Charlie Crist: 32%.
In other words, Huckabees support is a litle stronger, Palin's is a little broader. BUT, it is still a statistical tie and it is still WAY to early to really mean anything significant.
http://www.thesarahpalinblog.com/2008/12/sarah-palin-versus-mike-huckabee-for.html
BTW i would also support Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal 2012
and i fucking hate Mike Huckabee.
Edited by lonestar2004 (01/28/09 02:15 PM)
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Re: Conservatives are Asking Palin to Quit [Re: Entropymancer]
#9694389 - 01/28/09 02:16 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Entropymancer said:
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lonestar2004 said:
One thing i like about Palin (imo) is that she's not like the other whores in Washingon DC, she's an outsider and seems more Genuine to me.
Oh, I see. Being folksy is certainly an important conservative value. Certainly much more important than her positions on foreign and domestic policy.
You betcha!
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Re: Conservatives are Asking Palin to Quit [Re: zouden]
#9694768 - 01/28/09 03:17 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Say it ain't so zouden? There you go again looking backwards goshdarnit.
Lonestar. WTF is going on here? You supported ron paul? Never decided to share that or what? We coulda been going to the rallies and drinking the punch together. Good lord. I really think that's awesom, btw, cuz he seems like someone you would like.
I'm curious on the pro life thing though. Do you just want the states to decide the issue? i.e. no constitutional amendment? And would you agree abortion isn't wrong during totipotency? ie. that period of time when:
a) the cell mass can be mechanically split to yield an infinite number of identical twins all normally functioning
b)And the split cell groups (or unsplit whole cell masses formed from other eggs) can be recombined to form normal people
Both happen naturally and both can be done by man in a lab
I think the implications of accepting 'personhood' and not just life for these totipotent cells is absurd and so therefore the soul must come later and totipotent cells are simply vegetative life. What do you think? Ignoring practicalities, is this morally acceptable to kill these cell masses in theory? I think its important cuz it pushes back the peronhood point from conception (which is a terribly arbitrary choice honeslty, imo I could accept it as a cautionary date, but not as a biologically or spiritually meaningful date)
As for Bob Barr, I voted for him now not ten years ago. I didn't like the things you mention but his appologies and explanations of his position on philosophical ground is something neither mainstream candidate did (philosophical platform and appologise for deviations). That and the libertarian platform was enough to make him better for me. He didn't bullshit and try and sugar coat the things he did in the past and so I could accept it as a real change. And besides, when the candidates look at the Bob Barr votes they know EXACTLY what those people wanted in a candidate. I would love to have voted for either mainstream candidate. By voting for Barr I tell them my vote is available and I will not vote for folks who don't try to advance my positions. I'm letting htem know I am a swing voter and here's what I want. Hopefully when more people do so we'll see some change. It takes far less than 50% to affect an election and politics.
But my reasons for liking Barr is beyond this thread and I've spoken about it repeatedly. I don't see the relevance to palin's merits or similar topics.
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Re: Conservatives are Asking Palin to Quit [Re: Entropymancer]
#9694879 - 01/28/09 03:32 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think it makes more sense to ask the question: Could a conservative who supports Palin really be considered intelligent?
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Re: Conservatives are Asking Palin to Quit [Re: johnm214]
#9694907 - 01/28/09 03:38 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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> What do you think?
I don't want to take us too far off topic, but:
1) It (abortion) should be decided at the state level
2) When the country is split with no clear majority on a moral issue, it is our duty to err on the side of freedom for the individual to choose their own morality (abortion is tricky because it involves two people which may have conflicting views)
3) A large percentage (as high as 25%) of blastocyst's fail to implant into the uterine wall which makes it difficult to claim that "life" begins at conception
4) Although it conflicts with #3 above, I like the saying "Life begins at conception, but rights begin at birth." (Which, ironically, would actually classify partial birth abortions as murder.)
> In other words, Huckabees support is a litle stronger, Palin's is a little broader.
I cringe at the thought of either of these two religious zealots getting elected as president.
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Re: Conservatives are Asking Palin to Quit [Re: johnm214]
#9695995 - 01/28/09 06:23 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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johnm214 said:
Could you answer my question?
Was the coverage inapropriate or was the coverage inequal when compared to obama? What was inapropriate if it was? NYT editorial? NYT news? The interviews? What in general was the problem leading you to say such things?
And what is neutrality? I'm curious how you even know the coverage is biased or if it is how that's the bad thing you've been saying? If the coverage is biased what is the bias? i.e. favoring democrats or favoring public support or favoring things that make them money?
If you're curious about the NY Times coverage I suggest very strongly that you read the paper for yourself. Read it every day, like I do, and draw your own conclusions. I'm going to repeat myself. If you want to know about the NY Times READ THE FUCKING PAPER. Me citing numerous articles about mean Palin coverage and Obama blowjob coverage will not ever prove anything. You can always say I am selectively choosing articles to make my point. The editorial page is annoying but it doesn't bother me because it is an acknowledged whorehouse. The news pages are another matter, they are an undercover whorehouse, but you have to read the paper yourself. Read it everyday for a month and then tell me it has any journalistic integrity left.
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Re: Conservatives are Asking Palin to Quit [Re: Entropymancer]
#9696762 - 01/28/09 08:27 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Entropymancer said:
So getting back to the original question, what is it about Sarah Palin that appeals to intelligent convervatives?
Do you have an answer, loanstar? I mean is it just being anti-choice or is there some other reason you like Palin.
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Re: Conservatives are Asking Palin to Quit [Re: Minstrel]
#9696844 - 01/28/09 08:44 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Minstrel said:
I think it makes more sense to ask the question: Could a conservative who supports Palin really be considered intelligent?
That's precisely what I was driving at 
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Re: Conservatives are Asking Palin to Quit [Re: johnm214]
#9699303 - 01/29/09 10:23 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes i agree with Ron Paul let the states decide the issue.
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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"
We have "reckless fiscal policies"
America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.
Americans deserve better
Barack Obama
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Re: Conservatives are Asking Palin to Quit [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9699318 - 01/29/09 10:28 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Please, PLEASE run Palin in 2012.
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