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Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced"
    #900202 -

Lets finally clear this up..

Right now i am working on some EQ's.. - Eager to try them out...

I tried the Treasure Coast and they were not that amazing. Just a body trip

What is the most potent cubensis that you can grow, I ate some shrooms a long tiome ago that made me think i was in another word.... I dont knwo what kind

Here is what i have gathered from what i read online

1. Hawaiin - (I have been told these will put you on your ass)
2. PESA - ( I have herd great things about PESA)
3. Puerto Rican (Very Strong)
4. B+ (Strong ass little mushrooms)


Also how much harder is it to grow P. Cyances then Cubenbsis, or is it basically the same?

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: Anonymous]
    #900235 -

PESA is a most wonderful fruit. Very strong and will make you loose the ability to talk and both open and closed eye visuals. bluhoney


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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: Anonymous]
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They're all good, but one thing you got backwards.. B+ is a potent BIG mushroom... LOL :grin:

The "B" stands for "BIG" and the "+" means "and then some".

Anyway, IME, so far I'd say Tazmainians are the tied for most energetic with EQ's and have the most detailed visuals I've ever seen on a cubie. Just my $.02. :smile: 


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"Have some congratulatory drugs." - C. Montgomery Burns

I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss. :tongue2:

TM™ :cool:

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: Anonymous]
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You cannot judge strains on their potency; it can vary greatly from batch to batch. If a strain is said to be more potent by a vendor or member it is just rumor, not fact.

I *hear* Puerto Ricans are quite potent but see no difference in them myself. I again *hear* B+ has lower than average potency and can justify that myself but it could have just been the specific batch....

Potency shouldn't classify a strain but rather by batch
Fd


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Fd3000 is really a brown dancing monster. He uses the info he gets from his crazy dreams to help those in need. Too bad he doesn't really exist...

"I could walk up to the president and blow smoke in his stupid monkey face and all he could do is stand there grooving on it" - Homer Simpson

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: Fd3000]
    #900387 -

I have to disagree with you Fd.

I see a difference in potency in different strains.

The best way to test things are to use the same substrates, all the same growing conditions, and then take the same dose amount each time you try a new strain.





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Laterz, Road

Who the hell you callin crazy?
You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch!

Brainiac said:
PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.


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Fascism (fash'izem) n. A governmental system marked by a centralized dictatorship, stringent socioeconomic controls, and often belligerent nationalism. see also: the Bush Administration.

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: dog]
    #900432 -

I have come to the conclusion that PESA is the most potent from what everyone and everwhere says.

I also saw that Creepers are VRY POTENT.
as well as Hawaiin..

MiNT

Thanks for all your input

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: Anonymous]
    #900470 -

Out of all the cubies I looked at under the microscope, PESA's have to be my favorite. I never looked at any panaleous species yet, but hopefully soon.


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People don't want other people to get high, because if you get high, you might see the falsity of the fabric of the society we live in.

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: Anonymous]
    #900743 -

side by side, under identical conditions, AFOAF grew orissa indias, z-strain, eq's, hawaiians, and thai k.s. by far the best were the indias and the z-strain. he did strain isolations on everything. everything was done on birdseed and cased 50/50+.


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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: ellisdee625]
    #900777 -

Ok, I grew Treasure Coast from Sporeworks.colm for my first grow. I had about an Oz and a half dired. (We lost 5 jars to contam)
we all ate a bunch of them. I had like 3-4 grams.

I just felt this body trip. I never ws really tripping - "I did not feel like i was at another place...." ya all know what i mean,

I am doing EQ's for my second grow and I have about 1 1/2 ounces already dried after the first flush. Going ont he second flush now.

Its 10 BRF PF Style....hlf pint jars crumblined and cased with str8 vermiculite.


I am hoping that they will be alot better then the Treasure Coast. They were not that great in my opinion...

I am going to do PESA next in hope for some crazy shit..

MiNT

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: Anonymous]
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Like Roadkill says, there`s deffinatelly a difference.
I`ve now just had a few friends and myself test 2 batches of PR and GT both on poo/straw and both under the same conditions.

Hell yeh there was a difference :smile:

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: Anonymous]
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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: Anonymous]
    #900818 -

One of my favorites is Plantasia Mystery. I have just innoculated Thai Lipa Yai, to check them out.

btw, the 'hawaiian' you refer to, are not cubbies...

Kykeon
athens, greece


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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: kykeon]
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In reply to:
btw, the 'hawaiian' you refer to, are not cubbies...


You've never heard of the Hawaiian strain? It's sold by PF for instance.


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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: kykeon]
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I personally didn`t find b+ to be sufficient in comparison to the PR and GT.
same amoutns taken but not the same length or intensity.

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #900972 -

sorry!

i thought hawaiian were only copelandia species... didnt know that on the island grow also cubbies...

oups! :smile:

Kykeon
athens, greece 


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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: kykeon]
    #900991 -

Actually, you're correct. The Hawaiin strain isn't from the islands, but was originally sold by a Hawaiian vendor, hence the name.


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"Have some congratulatory drugs." - C. Montgomery Burns

I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss. :tongue2:

TM™ :cool:

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: Anonymous]
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Potency is a subjective term. Unless we did a quantitative chemical analysis for the active ingredients, we will never all agree as to which are the most potent. I think fd3000 has a point, batches can differ in potency, but I think some strains are naturally stronger. I think spawning substrate could affect the potency, and I've read that the stage that the fruitbody is picked has an effect on the potency. So it's really hard to tell...are we comparing ounce for ounce, or cap for cap or what? I think if you had 3 small, young B+ shrooms that weighed the same as one adult B+ shroom you would find the 3 to be more potent. Am I wrong? Unless that big B+ was fresh and the 3 babies were dried. In that case, I don't know. Good thread, though. How do the Thai strains compare? I've heard they are pretty damn strong. Also, personal factors affect perceived potency, such as how long it's been since you last ate them, and did you eat them on an empty stomach, etc. Anyway, that's my opinion.

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: djamor]
    #902862 -

I have only eaten Treasure Coast.. That i grew and some wild ones a friedn got. The treasure coast were nothing amazing. I am looking foward to testing out the PESA....and the EQ's that I have going right now..

Happy Shrooming..

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: Anonymous]
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hey, what kind of potency can i expect from tasmanian. my boys growing some cambodian, and B+, how about those?

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: ant_poolguy]
    #902980 -

This is kind of baffling....

People seem to be saying 2-5 strains are potent, so whats average? Or crappy? If the majority of strains are "potent" then maybe we should just say they are average.....

Im very high right now so if that doesnt make sence sorry
Fd


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"I could walk up to the president and blow smoke in his stupid monkey face and all he could do is stand there grooving on it" - Homer Simpson

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: Fd3000]
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In my experience, they've all been very close.


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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: Roadkill]
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"I have to disagree with you Fd.

I see a difference in potency in different strains.

The best way to test things are to use the same substrates, all the same growing
conditions, and then take the same dose amount each time you try a new strain."

Well then i'd definatly have to disagree with you Roadkill, i've grown out about 8 or 9 differnt cube strains now, mainly all on birdseed.. and to me the potency is all the same with a few minor minor differnces. I believe the minor differnces are due to the mindset before tripping and enviorment we took them in. People, don't believe the rumors, a cube is a cube.. they all mainly carry the same potency. The differnces between strains are the differnt features they display while growing, not potency.

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: Snobrdr311]
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In reply to:
The differnces between strains are the differnt features they display while growing, not potency.


This has been my experience.


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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #903031 -

my experience as well, i'm glad someone actually agrees with me!  :smile:  I read through all the posts after posting and I can't believe all the people here actually saying potency varies greatly from strain to strain, from personal experience I really couldn't disagree more.

B+ were a tad less potent though, but it was barely noticable.  PR gave me a really speedy weird vibe, and they do stain blue as hell, if that means anything..  I doubt it.  EQ's gave me hella visuals, but when it all came down to it they were all basically the same. 

You said treasure coast didn't give you much of a trip?  Well did you eat before you shroomed?  Were you drinking beer, or booze?  Were you smoking weed?  There are a lot of variables here people.. 

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: matts]
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I think it's mostly marketing.  :grin: 


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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: matts]
    #903071 -

wrong!  it's differnt species dude..  not differnt strains of P. Cubensis.  I believe they all basically carry the same chemical levels.  someone prove me wrong, i'd like to see it.  :smile: 

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: Snobrdr311]
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Well then i'd definatly have to disagree with you Roadkill, i've grown out about 8 or 9 differnt cube strains now, mainly all on birdseed


I have grown out over 20 strains of cubensis.
You said right there that they were grown mainly on birdseed....that means you haven't stuck to just birdseed.
Your wishy washy!

Quote:
and to me the potency is all the same with a few minor minor differnces 


You just admited that there was some minor differences.
How would you judge these differences?
Lets see you answered that yourself.....read the following quote.

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B+ were a tad less potent though, but it was barely noticable. PR gave me a really speedy weird vibe, and they do stain blue as hell, if that means anything.. I doubt it. EQ's gave me hella visuals, but when it all came down to it they were all basically the same.


Sounds like you found some of the differences.

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I believe they all basically carry the same chemical levels. someone prove me wrong, i'd like to see it.


Prove that they do carry the same levels of chemicals in each strain.


I'll make this real easy for you.
Grow some Cambodians and some Gulf Coast out.....same substrate, conditions, drying....everything the same.
Try 3 grams of Gulf Coast....then write up a trip report.
Then wait 2 weeks.....don't do any in that 2 weeks.
Then try 3 grams of Cambodians.....then write up a trip report.
If you can't tell the difference between Gulf Coast and Cambodians your a friggin idiot!!!

:grin:

 


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Laterz, Road

Who the hell you callin crazy?
You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch!

Brainiac said:
PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.


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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: Roadkill]
    #903255 -

Until a lab volunteers to conduct an experiment with multiple isolates representing each strain (and also comparing the subsequent flushes), this is all subjective. Everyone has their own interpretations of the experiences. Also, tolerances might vary during the times the different mushrooms were ingested, and/or the amount of time that lapsed between experiences may have altered the perception. Set and setting also plays a big part in how enjoyable or intense a trip may be.

In my experiences, they have all been relatively similar. This has also been confirmed by many of my friends. Still, my experiences and my friend's experiences mean nothing. Everyone has their own opinion and rightfully so. It is up to you (the individual) to determine what is right for you.


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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: matts]
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matts... Road can't do that publicly because then all the people that try his standard comparison challenge would have biased results. Get it?

He likes to keep his opinions on effects and potency rather hidden so that he can see how many people notice some of the same differences/characteristics that he does. This is actually a good thing because it will eventually provide a common understanding of the effects of certain strains.

Sorry to answer for you on this one Road, just couldn't help myself... Did I get it right?


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"Have some congratulatory drugs." - C. Montgomery Burns

I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss. :tongue2:

TM™ :cool:

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: TM]
    #903287 -

Actually, what RK is saying is that he feels the Cambos are much stronger.


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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: Roadkill]
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ok i'm wishy washy there huh big guy, seems like you're getting a little defensive here. haha, how funny.

I said minor differnces.. meaning very minor, virtually nothing.  Try checking out dictionary.com for the meaning of the word minor.  Yes there are differnces, I stated that..  fact of the matter is there aren't many, meaning they are all BASICALLY the same.  I stated this as well.  Oh and the word mainly means I have primarily stuck to one substrate, I think I grew 12 cakes or so of EQ on brf when I first started 2 years ago, then moved to birdseed and never looked back. 

I have grown out both those strains you listed on birdseed, ate both of them as well..  and I could say the same thing to you..  if you noticed any differnces then you are a frickin idiot.  I noticed nothing whatsoever.  It was virtually the same trip, my growing partner says the same thing.  Maybe next time when someone disagrees with you might try not getting so defensive, it makes you sound like a know it all.  It is ok to disagree with people on this forum, that's what makes the discussions interesting, just in case you haven't noticed that yet.  :wink:

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #903297 -

Not exactly, according to my inside info. :grin:


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"Have some congratulatory drugs." - C. Montgomery Burns

I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss. :tongue2:

TM™ :cool:

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: TM]
    #903302 -

I've had RK tell me personally that he felt the Cambos were among the most potent.


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[Re: TM]
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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #903313 -

Well, I guess we just destroyed the control of that experiment! Sorry Road!


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"Have some congratulatory drugs." - C. Montgomery Burns

I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss. :tongue2:

TM™ :cool:

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: TM]
    #903318 -

Quote:
Well, I guess we just destroyed the control of that experiment! Sorry Road!


Nah, I doubt that.  RK has made it no secret that he loves the Cambos!  Anyway, the previous guy just stated that he has indeed tried that and that both him and his grow partner saw no substantial differences in the experience.  Either way you look at it, until we can get hard data from a lab, it's all speculation and opinion!! :grin:

Peace 


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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #903323 -

Amen Mickey!  I like your way of thinking here..    right on.  I don't need to do this, but Roadkill if you'd like my partner to get on here and back me up on this I can do so, he is sitting here right next to me!  :smile:  You can call him an idiot as well if you'd like. 

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: matts]
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I think this would be difficult at best... :smile: 


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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #903334 -

There can be some very strong and like-minded opinions though... I've never had the exact same visuals from any 2 strains, but I have had the exact same visuals from the same strain many many times in succession. You see, I listen to the same track list every time I trip (never boring) and get certain distinct visuals generated by each song at the same point in the song every time. The different strains produce different visuals. I was doing one particular strain for the past 4 years and got very used to what I'd see and when. After trying a different strain on the same track list, the visuals were completely different than what I'd gotten SOOO used to.


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"Have some congratulatory drugs." - C. Montgomery Burns

I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss. :tongue2:

TM™ :cool:

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: TM]
    #903341 -

Everyone has their own experiences. In all my years of tripping, I've never had the exact same experience twice even when taking the same strain, but irrespective of which strain ingested, i usually find X grams dry will give me a consistent intensity of trip when tolerance is not hindering the comparisons.


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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: TM]
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what strains are these and how many grams do you eat? what tracks do you listen to btw? just outta curiosity.

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: Snobrdr311]
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I'll be nice and ignore you.


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Laterz, Road

Who the hell you callin crazy?
You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch!

Brainiac said:
PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.


Edited by Roadkill (09/24/02 12:35 AM)

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: Snobrdr311]
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I will know for sure what the 4 year stretch strain was come Sunday night... I suspect they were Ecuadors. The track list consists of my favorites from the following albums:

Beatles - MMT & SPLHCB
Rush - Moving Pictures
Squeeze - Singles
REO Speedwagon - Hi Infidelity

And a whole lot more... One of the most energetic songs is "Jump Into The Fire" by Harry Nillson.  The most visually gratifying track is the 11 minute long version of "Time Has Come Today" by The Chambers Brothers. It has a 7 minute long psychedelicizing ride in it... Totally amazing visual generation.  Everyone should check that out, if you can find it, good luck. :grin:  


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"Have some congratulatory drugs." - C. Montgomery Burns

I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss. :tongue2:

TM™ :cool:

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #903436 -

very well done mickey! three cheers for the mods!

hip hip hooray!
hip hip hooray!
hip hip hooray!

lol, really....glad you reopened this thread, very interesting discussion, just wish i had something to add..... havent had the opprutinity to try many different strains.....yet :grin: 


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  Edited by yageman (04/20/06 4:20 PM) 

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: wrestler_az]
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I would of rather had you keep my new one open and kept this one locked, oh well.. the 40 year old baby will be the way he wants, nothing we can do about it. I will ignore his name calling and flame war starting remarks as well.


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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: Snobrdr311]
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hey..... i dont thinkl thats a propper way to start out a recently unlocked thread...... thats exactly why it got locked last time...... i think you are pushing it dude..... just my 2 cents :grin: 


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  Edited by yageman (04/20/06 4:20 PM) 

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: Snobrdr311]
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yeah yeah whatever loser!

*finger*



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Laterz, Road

Who the hell you callin crazy?
You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch!

Brainiac said:
PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.


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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: wrestler_az]
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wrestler why don't you read back and see who started the name calling and flame war to begin with? all it was was a rational discussion until someone started acting like a lunatic.

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: Snobrdr311]
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Sno, if you're going to turn this into another fight, I will lock the thread again. The only reason I opened this one and closed your repost was the fact that this thread has all of the discussion and information in it. Makes sense to leave this one open and remove your post where you cussed RK out, right? Please, let's keep this civil. I really do not want to lock this thread.

Thanks


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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: Snobrdr311]
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Why don't you please just drop it? You apologized, now leave it alone before it gets locked again. I like this thread. Don't go screwing it up for everyone with this petty balogna. PLEASE!


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"Have some congratulatory drugs." - C. Montgomery Burns

I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss. :tongue2:

TM™ :cool:

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: Snobrdr311]
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im dont care who started it......im just saying its this kind of instigation that led it locked in the first place..... if nothing else, be the better man and drop the bikering already :frown: :mad: 


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  Edited by yageman (04/20/06 4:20 PM) 

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: wrestler_az]
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I think it's dead now anyway, it's all off course now. :frown:


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Edited by TripMeister (09/24/02 12:57 AM)

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: wrestler_az]
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I am definatly the better man.. I just want you all to see my point.. I see that you don't give a shit and that's cool, it was mainly directed at Mickey. It's not dead Tripmeister. Let's all just learn to keep things civil and not let disagreements turn into flame wars.

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: Snobrdr311]
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In reply to:
it was mainly directed at Mickey




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Edited by mickey_rourke (09/24/02 01:06 AM)

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: TM]
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a friend of harrys just grew some Thai KS T3 and Pink Buffalo in the same conditions and noticed a difference in trips.  the KS was very visual
(one of the most he has had) where the PB seemed to be more of a body/mind trip the visual were definatly less intence espically in lower doses. 

just tryin to spark some life back in here :wink: maybe we can keep it going 

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: mickey_rourke]
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GOD that is so freaking funny!!! LOL love the edit mickey....


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  Edited by yageman (04/20/06 4:20 PM) 

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: mickey_rourke]
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Mickey, I just want to thank you for that poster/quote, I'm still laughing my ass off.


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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: Darkmoon]
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Okay, back on track... Good!

Now, I agree that all cubies are BASICALLY the same potency give or take a half a gram or so. At least the ones I've done. HOWEVER... They each have their own individual visual paterns, shapes and colors.  They also each provide a slightly different energy level and wavyness of peaks and valleys in the potency of the highlights and lowlights.

Can anyone else agree with this view besides Roadkill? :confused: 


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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: TM]
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Ok. I am beginning to understand your position. I agree that amongst the strains, the potency will be very close. Concerning the visuals, though, in my experience, it always varies even when using the same strain.


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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: TM]
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i might.....had i experienced more than two strains......all ive had is Treasure coast, which i found to be fairly potent.....the other one i tried was the retarded street strain.....which compared to the homegrown TC, there was no comparison.....this is my insightful contribution to this thread...... :tongue: im done now 


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  Edited by yageman (04/20/06 4:20 PM) 

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: wrestler_az]
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I my experience, "street" shrooms were usually fairly low potency. I suspect these were picked wild and dried poorly.


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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: mickey_rourke]
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i would have to concur......i hate that strain, lol


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  Edited by yageman (04/20/06 4:20 PM) 

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: mickey_rourke]
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In reply to:
always varies even when using the same strain.



There's where you're missing one very important factor...

Music generates images. If you listen to the exact same music in the same order and do the exact same dose of the exact same strain, in every trip, you'll see the exact same images at the exact same points in the music.

Now change ONLY the strain. Totally different images will appear.


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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: TM]
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Music generates images for you, but my visuals are always free form. The visuals I see are not really based on the setting. It has more to do with the set -- my current state of mind and what I'm currently thinking about.


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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: TM]
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well, can this be a fair way to test? wouldnt the persons mood, setting, etc...have some affect which might give a different feeling to a trip?


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  Edited by yageman (04/20/06 4:20 PM) 

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: mickey_rourke]
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I've never had the same thoughts, same feelings, same mood, or always the same company and yet, always the same music and always the same visuals until changing strain. Then my very familiar movie was changed to a different one.

It was like someone changed the reel in the projector from the film I'd been watching for 4 years to some strange film I'd never seen before. :shocked: 


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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: wrestler_az]
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Yeah, set does play a huge part in my trips. So far, I've done field picked, cult. GC, and cult Amazons. My favorite is still field picked, for some reason, my trips never feel as "natural" when I eat cultivated mushrooms, but this is probably just in my head.


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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: Skikid16]
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Quote:
My favorite is still field picked, for some reason, my trips never feel as "natural" when I eat cultivated mushrooms, but this is probably just in my head.


It's amazing what the mind is capable of.. :wink: 


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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: TM]
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In reply to:
It was like someone changed the reel in the projector from the film I'd been watching for 4 years to some strange film I'd never seen before.


It would be interesting to perform an experiment where you had the same music, but ingested one of the two strains (unknown to you) in gelcaps and recorded your experience.


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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #903631 -

Hmm, you guys do know about the General Questions forum right? :wink:

Just that this is not mushroom culitvation related, maybe just to remind you all that the General Questions forum is perfect for this kind of discussion. :smile: 

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #903632 -

In reply to:
Music generates images for you, but my visuals are always free form



Music will generate images for you too... Next time you're peaking put on a good pair of headphones and listen to the 11 minute version of "Time Has Come Today" by The Chambers Brothers (LOUD) (available on Kazaa). Tell me that doesn't totally blow your mind!


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I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss. :tongue2:

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: Thor]
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Bah, you're right Thor. I'll move it.. LOL


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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: TM]
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In reply to:
Tell me that doesn't totally blow your mind!


I'm not arguing that music can "blow your mind" because I experience this all the time. I'm just saying that when I listen to the same music, I never have the same experience even when using the same strain. The relative potency or intensity of the experience may be similar, but the visuals are always different.


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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #903640 -

man, got lost for a sec......lol one minute there, next.....unable to locate post.....man, how bout some warning next time, lol


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  Edited by yageman (04/20/06 4:20 PM) 

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #903641 -

Wouldn't have to be in caps, I could just hand someone three bags of 5.5 grams of each of three strains and tell them to pick one and grind it in the coffee grinder and dump it in my juice and put the other 2 back in the freezer... When I come down, I could tell them which 2 bags were left without looking. :grin: 


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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: wrestler_az]
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TM, why not try this? Next time you trip, give your trip buddies two bags. One with one strain, one with the other. Tell them to pick one and give it back to you in ground form. Don't let them tell you which strain it was until after you made your guess.


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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: TM]
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I can't reply to your last post mickey... Corrupted or something, anyway, okay... If it's different for you, I believe you. You should still check out that particular track... It will knock your sox off. :smile: 


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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: wrestler_az]
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I'll not argue with anyone.
Genetics of the exact shroom that one is digesting is absolutely impossible to determine using the words "strong"-"body vibes" or any other broad terminology.
I've taken the same exact amount of the same strain from the same batch and have had totally different "levels" of trips as well as "type" of trip. I don't think that there is much-if ANY-difference in a healthy cubensis, no matter where it originated from. Too much is determined by what you ate, how much you slept, if your woman/or man had a fight with you last night. You're dealing with serotonin and receptors. Sorry, but I'm not an expert in those areas. Doubt ANYONE here is.



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Skikid16 brings up a good point [Re: Bullfrog1]
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Which shrooms are more potent: field picked or home cultivated?? Let?s assume they are the exact same strain to begin with...


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Re: Skikid16 brings up a good point [Re: Left Nut City]
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imo, home grown


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Re: Skikid16 brings up a good point [Re: blink]
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I cant believe how long this thread is going... I am very impressed.

Lets try to compile a list, or come to an agreement on potencey.

List Cubensis Strains In descending order...

Example.

1. Pesa - Very potent/Highly Active
2. Cambobain - Very Potent
3. Hawaii - Very good cerebral trip. Very Potent....
etc...etc....
And so one, i woudl love to see what everyone opinions are...

Please also include what you are basing this information on... (How they were cased and what substrate was used)


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Re: Skikid16 brings up a good point [Re: Anonymous]
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I can prove that cubensis spore-races differ in potency and rather than just saying 'because i know', i can quote references from factual quantative chemical/alkaloid analysis.
Stivje and de Meijer 1993 detected maxima of .15% psilocybin and .50% psilocin in a Mexican spore-race and .15 Psilocybin and .33% psilocin in an Amazonian spore-race.
This is quantative evidence and could possibly be quite discernable from actual bioassays.
Lastly, there is varying in the blue-staining of cubensis spore-races, due to varying levels of oxidisation associated with the decomposition of psilocin and related unstable alkaloids.
This is the only known study that i am aware of - but it seems to back up everything ive experienced.
ive found :
PES Amazonian, PESA, Argentineans, Golden Teacher, Treasure Coasts, PF classic, Tasmanian, Ko Samui to be the more potent cubensis.
Ive found Lipa Yai, mazatapec, Cambodian, Palenque, B+, Malaysian, Pink Buff to be lesser in potency and bluing reaction.


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Re: Skikid16 brings up a good point [Re: Zen Peddler]
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In reply to:
This is the only known study that i am aware of - but it seems to back up everything ive experienced.
ive found :
PES Amazonian, PESA, Argentineans, Golden Teacher, Treasure Coasts, PF classic, Tasmanian, Ko Samui to be the more potent cubensis.
Ive found Lipa Yai, mazatapec, Cambodian, Palenque, B+, Malaysian, Pink Buff to be lesser in potency and bluing reaction.


Interesting that Maz, B+ and Cambodian are listed above as being less potent than Treasure Coast which most find to be the least potent of the above.

I would have to assume that Ecuadors and Creepers would fall into the higher potency category.


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Re: Skikid16 brings up a good point [Re: TM]
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they did from my experience - but each spore-match of the same spore-race could have varying potency - i believe there are inherant differences, but they vary considerably on the genetics of each isolate as well


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Re: Skikid16 brings up a good point [Re: Zen Peddler]
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And then we add the substrate nutrients factor into the equasion and we're right back to the beginning again. LOL!


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Re: Skikid16 brings up a good point [Re: TM]
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I don`t see Puerto Ricans on that list?

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Re: Skikid16 brings up a good point [Re: TM]
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well not if you always cultuvate on the one substrate as i do, and the above study were cultivated on spawned manure


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Bluing and potency... [Re: Zen Peddler]
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In reply to:
Lastly, there is varying in the blue-staining of cubensis spore-races, due to varying levels of oxidisation associated with the decomposition of psilocin and related unstable alkaloids.



Ahh,but this is an enzyme reaction.How do you know whether more bluing means more enzyme or more psilocin?

The most intense bluing my imaginary playmate has ever seen was from a Thai strain,yet he didn't feel that these specimens were especially potent,compared to say,a Mexican strain that blued slower and less darkly.

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Potency Variation [Re: aural]
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This was originally posted by mj a couple years back...

In reply to:
Here is the original Bigwood and Beug paper on potency variations.
I only omited the three photographs which just show shrooms in a jar and freezed dried shrooms in a plastic baggie, neith of which photograph was good enough to reporduce here.
mjshroomer
Variations of Psilocybin and Psilocin Levels with Repeated Flushes (Harvests) of Mature Sporocarps of Psilocybe Cubensis (Earle) Singer.
By
Jeremy Bigwood and Michael W. Beug
(Evergreen State College, Olympia, Washington.
Summary
Analysis of Psilocybe cubensis (Earle) Singer) grown in controlled culture showed that the level of psilocin was generally zero in the first (or sometimes even the second) fruiting of the mushroom from a given culture and that the level reached a maximum by the fourth flush. The level of psilocybin, which was nearly always at least twice the level of psilocin, showed no upward or downward trend as fruiting progressed, but was variable over a factor of four. Samples obtained from outside sources had psilocybin levels varying by over a factor of ten form one collection to the next.
Introduction
When undertaking quantitative analysis of psilocybin and psilocin levels in the Pacific Northwest species, we generally found large variations from one collection to another even within one species and even when all collections were made from a single location (Beug and Bigwood, 1982). In investigating biosynthetic pathways in the formation of psilocin and psilocybin in Psilocybe cubensis (Earle) Singer, we also observed variations in psilocybin and psilocin levels from one fruiting to the next (Chilton, 1979). WE therefore stet out to grow a selected Amazonian strain of Psilocybe cubensis (Earle) Singer in carefully controlled cultures and study the variations of psilocybin and psilocin levels with time. We also report here on the observed variation of psilocybin and psilocin levels with repeatted flushes from a single culture and the variation observed in other strains.
Experimental
The strain of Psilocybe cubensis cultivated in this study originated from a spore print taken in the Amazon basin near Pucalpa, Peru (Repke et al., 1977). Mycelium obtained from the spore print was kept as a stock culture on various agars. Since only one flush (fruiting) could be obtained from agar plates, we used a rye-grain medium, described initially in San Antonio (1971), refined by Oss and Oeric (1976), and adapted to "miniculture" by us. A wide-mouth half-pint jar (~250 ml) was charge with 10 g of rye grain and 15 ml of water and autoclaved. It was then inoculated under sterile conditions with a mycelium culture on agar. Every four days for a period of 28 days, weight per miniculture. Each flush was harvested as soon as the sporocarps were mature. The mushrooms ere the jars were shaken to distribute the growing mycelium evenly on the grain. In 28 days, the mycelium had covered the grain and the jars were then opened and the grain was cased (covered with a layer about 2 cm deep) with 2 parts peat : 1 part calcium carbonate : 2 parts perlite and/or vermiculite. The mushrooms were "watered" once every two days with 1 ml of sterile water via syringe. The first flyush (fruiting) occurred four to five weeks after inoculation (about two weeks after casing). The minicultures continued to produce mushrooms for at least 20 weeks provided they remained uncontaminated. They yielded an average of 2.7 g dry weight per miniculture. Each flush was harvested as soon as the sprocarps were mature. The mushrooms were immediately freeze-dried, sealed in plastic and stored at-5 degrees Celsius until analysis. Voucher specimens were prepared for deposit in the University of Washington Herbarium (WTU).
The extraction procedure and analysis was described in the previous paper. The reversed-phase high performance liquid chromatograms were quantified wioth a Hewlett-Packard 3380! Reporting integrator-plotter and calibrated against standards from the National Institute on Drug Abuse. We found a linear relationship (plus/minus 10% repeatability) between concentration and peak area from 0.2 to 3 micrograms total psilocybine or psilocin. The detection limit was about 0.01 micrograms psilocybin or psilocin. The HPLC results were qualitatively confirmed by TLC using butanol-acetic acid-water (12:3:5).
Results
We found that the levels of psilocybin varied somewhat unpredictably from one flush to the next, but generally were much the same on the last flush as they were on the first flush (Table 1). Psilocin, on the other hand, generally was absent in the first one or two flushes, each maximixed by the fourth flush, and then appeared to start to decline (Table 1). Unfortunately, we could generally not follow the decline appreciably since five flushes is normally the maximum we can get before the mycelium stops fruiting. (With miniculture 1, we obtained a sixth flush but the fifth flush was totally consumed in another experiment and is not reported here.)
In two other strains grown by other sources, we also observed nearly complete absence of psilocin in the first flush . In These, we analyzed the caps and stems separately and found that the caps generally contained twice as much psilocybin as the stems, but that the small amount of psilocin present was entirely in the stems (Table 2). In contrast, our Amazon strai hasd a trace of psiloin in the cap but not in the stem. The cap and stem contained equal amounts of psilocybin.
Finally, we analyzed five street samples of Psilocybe cubensis for which we did not know the flush number or the precise growing conditions (Table 3). We found highly variable levels of psilocybin and low levels of psilocin.
TABLE 1
The dry weight variation of psilocybin and psilocin levels in Psilocybe cubensis as a function of flush number (quantified by HPLC.
Miniculture No. 1
Psilocybein-Psilocin
(mg/g) (mg/g)
1 8.3---------------0.5
2 6.5---------------1.5
3 13.3---------------1.0
4 4.8---------------2.6
5 --/--------------/--
6 6.8---------------0.5
Miniculture No. 2
Psilocybin-Psilocin
(mg/g) (mg/g)
1 5.1---------------0
2 7.3---------------0
3 4.7---------------1.7
4 3.7---------------2.9
5 5.2---------------2.2
6 --/--------------/--
Miniculture No. 3
Psilocybin-Psilocin
(mg/g) (mg/g)
1 7.6---------------0
2 6.2---------------0
3 5.3---------------0.9
4 3.2---------------1.8
5 6.7---------------1.7
6 --/--------------/--
TABLE 2
Distribution of psilocybin and psilocin in the cap versus the stem in three strains of Psilocybe cubensis cultivated on rye-grain substrate
M. R. strain-
First flush
Psilocybin Psilocin
(mg/g) (mg/g)
Caps 9.7---------0
Stems 4.2---------0.35

Equadorian Strain
First flush
Psilocybin Psilocin
(mg/g) (mg/g)
Caps 7.6--------0
Stems 4.7--------0.4

Amazon Strain
First flush
Psilocybin Psilocin
(mg/g) (mg/g)
Caps 5.7--------0.1
Stems 5.7--------0
TABLE 3
Psilocybin and psilocin levels in dried psilocybe cubensis "street samples" (all samlples were from material cultivated on a rye-grain substrate)
Sample Psilocybin Psilocin
No. (mg/g) (mg/g)
1---------------5.6----------------0
2---------------6.2----------------0
3---------------0.7----------------0.3
4---------------0.7----------------0.3
5---------------1.3----------------0.3
Conclusions

We found that the level of psilocybin and psilocin varies over a factor of four among various cultures of Psilocybe cubensis grown under rigidly controlled conditions, while specimens from outside sources varied tenfold. IT is clear that entheogenic (Ruck et al., 1979) and recreational users of this species have no way of predicting the amount of psilocybin and psilocin that they are ingesting with a given dry weight of the mushrooms. It thus seems likely that variations in the subjective experience will not only come from the effects of set and setting but will also stem in very real measure rom large dosage differences.
References
Beug, Michael W. and Jeremy Bigwood. 1982. Psilocybin and psilocin levels in twenty species from seven genera of wild mushrooms in the Pacific Northwest, U.S.A. Journal of Ethnopharmacology vol. 5:271-285.
Chilton, Scott., Bigwood, Jeremy and R. E. Jensen. 1979. Psilocin, Bufotonine and serotonin : Historical and Biosynthetic Observations. Journal of Psychedelic Drugs Vol. 11:61-69.
Oss, O. T. and Oeric, O. N. 1976. Psilocybin Magic Mushroom Growers Guide. And/Or Press, Berkeley, California.
Repke, Carl A. P., Leslie, Dale T., and Gast?n Guzm?n. 1977. Psilocybe, Conocybe and Panaeolus. Lloydia Vol. 40:566-578.
Ruck,Carl A. P., Bigwood, Jeremy., Staples, Danny., Ott, Jonathan and R. Gordon Wasson. 1979. Entheogens. Journal of Psychedelic Drugs Vol. 11:145-147.
San Antonio, J. P. 1971. A laboratory method to obtain fruit from cased grain spawn of the cultivated mushroom : Agaricus bisporus. Mycologia vol. 63:16-21.
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Re: Potency Variation [Re: aural]
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Ive read that before. At the end of the day psilocybin is converted into psilocin in our bodies anyway.
The bluing reaction is still a mystery to bio-chemists and this is true. It has been infered from statements by Stamets relating to the fact that the bluing reaction occurs at the same time as the degradation of unstable psilocin into related compunds through reactions with present enzymes. (stamets1996) Ofcourse, this is by no means concrete, but in my experience - and that of Stamets, excluding grassland psilocybes, the bluing reaction can be indicative of potency.
Baeocystis is a misnomer - so it is irrelevant.
Secondly, Bigwood and Beug (your reference) 1982 found a maxima of .35% psilocin in some cultivated specimens, although these appear to be flush dependent.
Gartz 1994 and 1989 found naturally low levels of psilocin in cultivated specimens in both studies (maxima of .1% psilocin)
The above reference by Stivje and de Meijer (1993) reitterates Gartz findings in two studies indicating a level of psilocin in most cubensis.
Heim and Hofmann original study (1958) found a maxima of .25% psilocin.
Beug and Bigwood study is however interesting because it suggests that the level of psilocin could be flush dependent, and that this would increase with a relative decrease in psilocybin content.
You could argue that the study also indicates a variation again in alkaloid content of varying cubensis spore-races.


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Re: Potency Variation [Re: Zen Peddler]
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i dont know lot about potencies but hawaiian blowed me to the outer space;-p


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pf classic [Re: Hamurabi]
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pf classic were the best for me

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Re: Potency Variation [Re: Zen Peddler]
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Could it be that the ratio of psilocybin to psilocin is actually a factor? Despite being converted into psilocin, psilocybin could possibly play a role in the onset of the trip. For example, lets say you grew out 2 strains. One produced a nice amount of psilocybin, while the other had less, but a higher psilocin content. Couldn't it be that the bit of time it takes to break down psilocybin would result in a more mellow, progressive trip where the other strain would work more directly, producing the "speedy" anxious trip people have reported? Just a thought.  :grin:

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Re: Potency Variation [Re: ShadowTH]
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The old-timers tell me that its the ratio of other lesser, related alkaloids that could possibly play a part in the psychactive and physical reactions to these mushrooms and their variability


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Re: Potency Variation [Re: Zen Peddler]
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In reply to:
The old-timers tell me that its the ratio of other lesser, related alkaloids that could possibly play a part in the psychactive and physical reactions to these mushrooms and their variability





...and in cubensis,these alkaloids would be ...?

Edited by aural (09/30/02 08:51 AM)

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Re: Potency Variation [Re: aural]
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This is what I gotta say:

I found a secret message!!!

----"fifth flush was totally consumed in another experiment and is not reported here.) "

Notice the wink at the end of the sentence? I am glad to hear though that they recorded their data accurately...very important to scientific investigation. I have had similar events occur in my lab:cool:.

----"A wide-mouth half-pint jar (~250 ml) was charge with 10 g of rye grain and 15 ml"

Newbies, are you taking notes? I find this recipe is a great way to grow out Oysters on!

I think some of you are talking apples and oranges. The nature of the psilocybin/psilocin complex is to affect the chemistry in the brain. I think it is a little niave to believe that each of our brains is affected in the same way by this complex. Although as an individual one might think thier experience is objective...it is in fact subjective. The individual experience is subject to factors such as set, setting, individual tolerance, and personal experience. These factors are not likely to be of the same magnitute from person to person.

After all, I think that we can trust in scientific evaluation and not the individual opinion.

Joshua 


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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: Anonymous]
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*wonders why theres no ecuadorian choice*
*wonders if i spelled ecuadorian right*


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Re: Potency Variation [Re: aural]
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Related alkaloids ofcourse. Ill get you a list.


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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: Anonymous]
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Penis Envys. Very easy for my friend to grow and if bluing is any indication of potency they would have to be right up there. Those things turn blue before you can even pick em.

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Re: Potency Opinions... "To the Experienced" [Re: Mac]
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But as someone has already suggested, the blueing reaction may have more to do with the amounts of reacting enzymes than the alkaloids themselves.
Joshua - set and setting is great, but im quoting studies - whether the are correct or not they are referenced...


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