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    #8992977 - 09/27/08 10:30 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

OK heres the sitch... I have inoculated the cakes (with B+) and the mycelium infected the cakes like I read. I know its mycelium just because if it were mold, the mold would have overtaken the cakes in a matter of days, but it actually took about 2 weeks or so with noticeable rhizo (((somewhat like this picture that i found...  )))  I birthed the cakes into the terranium that I had to build. They have been inside the terranium for almost 3 days with a constant room temperature of 74 degrees. I have 2 aquarium air stones inside for the cakes fresh air and a 6 watt light for about 7 hrs.. Heres the problem the humidity has only been 93%..will it be sufficent or will i have to buy a humidifyer....the thing is i relaly cant afford it right at this moment and i dont got time to wait because they are birthed already....lol... shouldnt they have pinned by now? Or is the 7% humity differental thats causing the delay??? Or is 7 hrs a day way too much light exposure??? any suggestions?

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Re: Help! I need somebody...to help me.... [Re: OneHipHippie]
    #8993010 - 09/27/08 10:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

anything 85% and above is fine, keep plenty of air exhange to get rid of CO2, and a 12 on, 12 off light schedule is usually the best, though 7 is good too.

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    #8993035 - 09/27/08 10:46 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks, thats a big relief! This is my first actual grow so im pretty excited that everything has been going so smoothly up until this point but yeah... the only concern i have is the amout of time it will take to see the first signs of pinning at this point...this is day three without any signs so im kinda worried... should I be more patient? thanks!

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Re: Help! I need somebody...to help me.... [Re: OneHipHippie]
    #8993139 - 09/27/08 11:15 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ya be more patient. A 6 watt bulb really isnt doing much for you either.

What kind of FC are you using? What are you using for humidity?

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Re: Help! I need somebody...to help me.... [Re: eseare]
    #8993404 - 09/27/08 12:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Im using a rubbermaid tubbaware chamber....its green, not transparent like most i've seen. Im not using anything for humidity except the 6 watt night light which I think is keeping the humidity high.... the FC isnt very big, just a medium sized enough for about 8 cakes max......so...you think the light isnt sufficent enough?

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Re: Help! I need somebody...to help me.... [Re: OneHipHippie]
    #8993658 - 09/27/08 01:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

So you have a cake in the rubber maid that is providing your humidity for the FC?

And no a 6 watt night light isn't giving you enough spectrum. Even though lighting is an important trigger for pinning there are others that need to be made note of.

These are:
1. Complete colonization of your sub
2.Increase in air exchange with a drop in co2 levels.
3.Evaporation of moisture from your substrate or casing.
4.Lighting

As for lighting I use a fluorescent. People use standard 60 watt bulbs but when applying your light source be careful not to raise temps too much. You may have to experiment with the distance from your FC to your light source to maintain optimal temps.

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Re: Help! I need somebody...to help me.... [Re: OneHipHippie]
    #8993716 - 09/27/08 01:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)



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    #8993721 - 09/27/08 01:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Them are some words to live by!

Energy saving too. LIVE GREEN!

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Re: Help! I need somebody...to help me.... [Re: OneHipHippie]
    #8993938 - 09/27/08 02:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Heres the problem the humidity has only been 93%..will it be sufficent or will i have to buy a humidifyer....



93% is fine.
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shouldnt they have pinned by now? Or is the 7% humity differental thats causing the delay??? Or is 7 hrs a day way too much light exposure??? any suggestions?

Thanks yall



It's not delayed. 3 days isn't common for pinning to start. 5-7 days is more like it.

Light exposure really isn't all that important compared to fresh air exchange... But a flourescent light will help. I know you have hookups for fae in the fc but manually fanning it very often while waiting for it to pin is a good thing. Mist it every day too. 

Another thing you might consider is to dunk/roll the cakes. I always have better shrooms and better pins dunking and rolling.... and double end casing. The pins  love that stuff.


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Re: Help! I need somebody...to help me.... [Re: ray40cal]
    #8997287 - 09/28/08 09:05 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I forgot to mention that I have the air stones submerged in water and perlite mixed into that.....I checked on the cakes this mourning and I did notice the smallest little pin, atleast thats what im assuming. I dont have a camera or else i'd show yen's... but anywho I do believe that if i get a different lighting fixture fixed up' then id be doin mighty fine...ill most likely case after the first flush, as soon as i figure out exactly what I need for casing...I read somewhere jiffy mix? like cornbread jiffy mix? with added lime and whatnot.

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Re: Help! I need somebody...to help me.... [Re: OneHipHippie]
    #8997309 - 09/28/08 09:13 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Heres the problem the humidity has only been 93%..will it be sufficent




No, it won't. You'll notice nobody with a 'trusted cultivator' tag told you that your 93% is fine for cakes. Performance of cakes is severely impeded if your humidity is less than saturation.  Cakes want 99% to 100% humidity with lots of air exchange.  Terrariums with bubblers may have been 'state of the art' ten years ago, but left much to be desired, and we've learned a lot since then.  Get rid of the standing water and air pumps, and use three to five inches of well drained perlite instead.  Either drill holes in your terrarium, or fan it several times per day, and mist as required.

You want to keep your lights on a 12/12 schedule for best results.  Make sure you're using fluorescent lights and not regular light bulbs.
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Re: Help! I need somebody...to help me.... [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #8997377 - 09/28/08 09:37 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Everything must be balanced to work properly. Light is not more important than fresh air exchange, or even the other way around.  It's all important if you want best results.

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Lighting Requirements of Mushrooms

Some mushrooms, such as the Agaricus species commonly found in grocery stores require no light at all. However, those commonly grown by hobbyists, such as Pleurotus ostreatus (Oyster Mushrooms), Lentinus enodes (Shiitake), Psilocybe cubensis, a hallucinogenic mushroom, and Hericium erinaceus (Lion's Mane) all require light to produce fruits. Experience has taught us that the light best suited for primordia formation and the development of fruitbodies is bright light with a color temperature of 5,000 Kelvin to 7,000 Kelvin. Fortunately, this type of light is easily obtainable at your local home improvement center in the form of fluorescent fixtures. For a small terrarium as described in this chapter, a single CFL (compact fluorescent) that screws into a standard light bulb socket will work very well. These can often be found in grocery and drug stores in every neighborhood. 15 watt CFLs will do the job well, but the package will probably have a large 60 stamped on it, indicating they produce light "equivalent" to a 60 watt incandescent light bulb. They're referring to lumens of output, not the frequency. Incandescent light bulbs are the worst possible choice for growing mushrooms, since they emit a 'red' light in the 3,000 Kelvin color temperature range.

The higher the color temperature, expressed in Kelvin, the closer to the 'blue' end of the spectrum the emitted light is. The lower the color temperature the 'redder' the light is. If you have a choice of fluorescent lamps, purchase those labeled 'daylight' since these have a somewhat higher color temperature than cool white. Daylight, sometimes called 'natural daylight' fluorescent tubes generally emit light in the 6,500 Kelvin range, while cool white fluorescent emits light at around 5,000 Kelvin.

If you have several terrariums stacked or otherwise near each other, you can use larger 2 to 4 tube fluorescent fixtures. These come in 48" and 96" lengths. Place the fluorescent lamps as close as you can get them to your terrariums without causing excessive heating. Species such as Shiitake and Oyster mushrooms prefer to fruit at temperatures in the upper 50's to mid 60's Fahrenheit (15C to 20C), while Psilocybe cubensis prefers to fruit at a temperature in the mid 70s to about 80 Fahrenheit (23C to 27C) Most mushroom species don't mind a slightly warmer temperature during daytime than at night, so if your grow room is a bit colder than the temperature ranges given above, a little warming from your lights during the daytime won't hurt at all, provided you don't let the air in your terrarium get too dry. For cakes, try to keep the humidity above 95%. Cased substrates are a bit more forgiving, but still try to keep your humidity above 90%. 12 hours on, 12 hours off has proved to be a great combination over a wide range of species. Of course, if you have a bright window near your terrarium, that will suffice, but direct sunligh1t for more than a few minutes per day should be avoided.




And as for your humidity, if you can't keep it up to 99% you have to mist or buy or make a humidifier.

Hereis a great tek for a humidifier. It dosen't have to be that advanced, you can use stuff you have around the house or buy the stuff cheap and it will last a lot longer than a store bought one.





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Re: Help! I need somebody...to help me.... [Re: robanero]
    #9086113 - 10/16/08 11:34 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

-update-

the cakes started to develop white cottonish mold and a blue type of mold, but a few days after the cakes were no longer good quite a few pins started forming about an inch long...I am excited that i was able to produce pins but disapointed about the contamination....I have a few more cakes lined up. was the mold a product of low humidity? (inside the terranium almost no moisture was forming on any of the walls...) 


Heres my last question..... If i keep the perlite and water seperated will work better for humidity? (like stick a floating tub of moist perlite in the water ?) thanks

shroom on'!

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Re: Help! I need somebody...to help me.... [Re: OneHipHippie]
    #9086313 - 10/16/08 12:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

There is a possibility that it didn't mold at all. The white cottony stuff, could just be the begining of knots. It's quite common for shroom mycelium to get puffy looking on cakes. It still could have been cobweb, but cw is more of a gray, and is easy to tell the difference when side by side with myc. The bluishnes could have been dehydration, myc bruises blue when it's hit or dry. Post some pictures :laugh:


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    #9086398 - 10/16/08 12:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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There is a possibility that it didn't mold at all. The white cottony stuff, could just be the begining of knots. It's quite common for shroom mycelium to get puffy looking on cakes. It still could have been cobweb, but cw is more of a gray, and is easy to tell the difference when side by side with myc. The bluishnes could have been dehydration, myc bruises blue when it's hit or dry. Post some pictures :laugh:




Yeah... I was concerned about mine... so I poked a small puff with a cleaned fork and I watched it turn blue before my eyes in 10-15 mins.


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    #9091200 - 10/17/08 11:07 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I dont have pictures because i trashed the cakes last week so yeah...... when I birthed the cakes into the terrauium it might have gotten contaminated.....the cakes wouldnt stand flat so when i opened the lid they fell over on their sides in the perlite....i picked them up with my hands after washing them . anyways it was a big mess....

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