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Instill stress in the minds of children...
#8991696 - 09/26/08 10:54 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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and you have a diseased culture.
culture could be so much more lively and productive if children were taught how to live, as opposed to being stressed.
what role does stress play in the minds ability to understand itself?
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Re: Instill stress in the minds of children... [Re: deranger]
#8991899 - 09/26/08 11:47 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stress in itself is not necessarily a negative factors. And like those who seek negativity, stressors will always be in your life if you look for them.
Stress is not really the issue IMO, but the response to stress.
The way we each individually react to stress affects our lives accordingly.
If we chose to let stress, it can leave us in chaotic and impaired states.
I should know.
How do you suggest we teach our children to cope with stress...?
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Re: Instill stress in the minds of children... [Re: figmentfragment]
#8991954 - 09/27/08 12:03 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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figmentfragment said: How do you suggest we teach our children to cope with stress...?
my social studies teacher stressed the fuck out of me in high school by failing me 3 years. she got fired for failing at her job and generally just stressing the shit out of everybody.
just an example of how stess can be so instilling. luckily i got into meditation and hallucinogens. if it weren't for those i would be a stressed out miserable fuck, like i was before the day.
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Re: Instill stress in the minds of children... [Re: deranger]
#8992158 - 09/27/08 01:05 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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But what's the alternative? Provide some sort of magical stress-free lifestyle for everyone under the age of 18? I don't think anyone is intentionally stressing kids.
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Re: Instill stress in the minds of children... [Re: zouden]
#8992220 - 09/27/08 01:23 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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zouden said: But what's the alternative? Provide some sort of magical stress-free lifestyle for everyone under the age of 18?
it is this lack of creativity that just feeds the disease.
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I don't think anyone is intentionally stressing kids.
yeah it's just one huge conspiracy.
no, nothing like that. the fact is, the education system does instill stress into many vulnerable young minds.
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Re: Instill stress in the minds of children... [Re: deranger]
#8992255 - 09/27/08 01:34 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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stress wins wars and makes people excel
like zouden says, most parents and societies mean well, whether they acheive that is another question
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Re: Instill stress in the minds of children... [Re: deranger]
#8992261 - 09/27/08 01:35 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stress creates a method of thinking with an efficiency below the mind of the Self, meaning issues, ideas and conclusions can be completely irrelevant to the Self. It also makes for more depressing thinking - "problems" which can be lept straight over with a little serotonin in the brain are instead pulling the person down.
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Re: Instill stress in the minds of children... [Re: burgatory]
#8992282 - 09/27/08 01:44 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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hey man, long time no see
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Re: Instill stress in the minds of children... [Re: Lakefingers]
#8992327 - 09/27/08 02:14 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lakefingers said: like zouden says, most parents and societies mean well,
most parents and societies think they mean well, but these are just their thoughts (which are bs btw). what are the statistics, 98% of currently educated people lack original and creative thinking... or something like that.
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Re: Instill stress in the minds of children... [Re: figmentfragment]
#8992453 - 09/27/08 03:51 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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figmentfragment said: Stress is not really the issue IMO, but the response to stress.
prevent stress, and you prevent the need to respond to stress.
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Re: Instill stress in the minds of children... [Re: deranger]
#8992735 - 09/27/08 08:30 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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and you have a diseased culture.
culture could be so much more lively and productive if children were taught how to live, as opposed to being stressed.
Word word word word word
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Re: Instill stress in the minds of children... [Re: figmentfragment]
#8993439 - 09/27/08 12:09 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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figmentfragment said: Stress in itself is not necessarily a negative factors. And like those who seek negativity, stressors will always be in your life if you look for them.
Stress is not really the issue IMO, but the response to stress.
The way we each individually react to stress affects our lives accordingly.
If we chose to let stress, it can leave us in chaotic and impaired states.
I should know.
How do you suggest we teach our children to cope with stress...?
Stress itself is a response to situations. So, responding to the response is the answer?
Either way, I think stress is probably present in all cultures, it's just a matter of degree.
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Re: Instill stress in the minds of children... [Re: deranger]
#8993881 - 09/27/08 02:15 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I agree, but in my mind stress is not something that happens to you, it's something you do.
I think we could go a long way by teaching kids real life skills such as nonattachment, nonreaction and self-examination. Should all be in the curriculum.
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Re: Instill stress in the minds of children... [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#8994092 - 09/27/08 03:09 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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WhiskeyClone said: I agree, but in my mind stress is not something that happens to you, it's something you do.
yes, not to mention unconsciously. but stress is a happening for me, it comes into being like a dark cloud. it's a condition... but behind the semantics you get the message
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Re: Instill stress in the minds of children... [Re: Boots]
#8994698 - 09/27/08 05:01 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Boots said:
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figmentfragment said: Stress in itself is not necessarily a negative factors. And like those who seek negativity, stressors will always be in your life if you look for them.
Stress is not really the issue IMO, but the response to stress.
The way we each individually react to stress affects our lives accordingly.
If we chose to let stress, it can leave us in chaotic and impaired states.
I should know.
How do you suggest we teach our children to cope with stress...?
Stress itself is a response to situations. So, responding to the response is the answer?
Either way, I think stress is probably present in all cultures, it's just a matter of degree.
Not responding to the response, controlling the response.
Stressful situations are inescapable. However we do have the opportunity to decide how we react.
Which is why some of us choose to do such things as meditate.
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Re: Instill stress in the minds of children... [Re: figmentfragment]
#8994699 - 09/27/08 05:02 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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or did I mean medicate?
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Re: Instill stress in the minds of children... [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#8994707 - 09/27/08 05:04 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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WhiskeyClone said: I agree, but in my mind stress is not something that happens to you, it's something you do.
I think we could go a long way by teaching kids real life skills such as nonattachment, nonreaction and self-examination. Should all be in the curriculum.
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Re: Instill stress in the minds of children... [Re: deranger]
#8996337 - 09/27/08 11:33 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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so why is it that so many of you laud the idea that less stress in children would create a more creative society? you have no peer reviewed scientific proof of this. yet you tear the hell out of people when they have no scientific evidence for things you don't like, such as 'you can be anything you want to be'. additionally, we live in one of the most creative societies in history--doesn't stress contribute to that? stress upholds the machine.
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Re: Instill stress in the minds of children... [Re: Lakefingers]
#8997694 - 09/28/08 11:32 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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so why is it that so many of you laud the idea that less stress in children would create a more creative society?
personal experience, along with others. when i am stressed there is less creativity, period. it's obvious.
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Re: Instill stress in the minds of children... [Re: figmentfragment]
#8997705 - 09/28/08 11:35 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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figmentfragment said: Stressful situations are inescapable.
they are avoidable, like shitty work places. my bro has gone wayy downhill since starting his job. he hardly has any energy anymore (creative energy?), seems so lifeless.
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Re: Instill stress in the minds of children... [Re: deranger]
#8997880 - 09/28/08 12:27 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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stress is not inherently bad, nor is it good, it just is. this might prove more productive if you care to make the clarification between distress, and eustress. I think we need to encourage more eustress, that inner drive to accomplish some goal. It can be stressful to train for an event, write a novel, create a mural, or dedicate ones life to some noble cause, however, these are stresses well worth undertaking in most cases.
that said there are (as far as i can think of) three basic coping strategies to dealing with stresses encountered in ones life.
Resistance- remain rigid, do not falter etc.
Dispersion- passing stress along, sharing a stress load so that it is lessened on each individual.
Deflection- bend but do not break. flexibility.
each has is use and each has its faults. you must choice the best method or combination to bear the stress or you run the risk of breaking or failing.
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Re: Instill stress in the minds of children... [Re: hamandcheese]
#8998112 - 09/28/08 01:44 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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hamandcheese said: stress is not inherently bad, nor is it good, it just is.
this is obviously true being that good and bad are mere mental labels. but stress is often associated with feelings of discomfort, uneasiness, annoyance, anger, bad temper, irritability, etc. and these feelings could be considered inherently associated with stress.
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Re: Instill stress in the minds of children... [Re: deranger]
#8998139 - 09/28/08 01:52 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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As the product of an extreamly stressful child hood I can tell you for a fact it makes it hard to learn and grow mentally and emotionally. You spend all your energy trying to survive and not be completely shut down.
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Re: Instill stress in the minds of children... [Re: deranger]
#8998575 - 09/28/08 03:27 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think the solution is to try and learn to cope with stressful situations without actually becoming stressed.
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Re: Instill stress in the minds of children... [Re: deranger]
#8998628 - 09/28/08 03:37 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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SyntheticMInd said:
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figmentfragment said: Stressful situations are inescapable.
they are avoidable, like shitty work places. my bro has gone wayy downhill since starting his job. he hardly has any energy anymore (creative energy?), seems so lifeless.
I think we can agree on the negative impact stress can have on our lives, mentally and physically.
Certain situations may be avoided, but stressful situations can manifest anywhere in ones life. Relationship difficulties, sudden illness of yourself or a loved one, unexpected change in financial situation...there are so many things in life that one could be stressed about.
IMO even attempting to avoid stress, can lead to stress (I have tried the stress avoidance technique, with less than satisfying results.)
I am not saying one should purposely place themselves in stressful situations but, The knack is to meet each situation in a calm and level headed manner, so that you may work through whatever life has to throw in your path.
And with conscious practice, it will become easier.
If stress was completely removed from a child's life, they would not get this practice in dealing with it.
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Re: Instill stress in the minds of children... [Re: figmentfragment]
#8998660 - 09/28/08 03:46 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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If stress was completely removed from a child's life, they would not get this practice in dealing with it.
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