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lonestar2004
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Re: Zogby Predicting a McCain Landslide? [Re: Phred]
#8985013 - 09/25/08 03:38 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Maybe thats why he's going out on a limb with this comment?(regain some credibility)
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Edited by lonestar2004 (09/25/08 03:40 PM)
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Coaster
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Re: Zogby Predicting a McCain Landslide? [Re: lonestar2004]
#8985022 - 09/25/08 03:39 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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i think phred just raped ur credibility lonestar u agreed with zogby and u said he was a top pollster clearly he is none of those unless by top u mean the top of the erroneous pollsters
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Re: Zogby Predicting a McCain Landslide? [Re: Phred]
#8985029 - 09/25/08 03:40 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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> Why anyone bothers paying Zogby to do polls is beyond me.
Because it is fun!
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Re: Zogby Predicting a McCain Landslide? [Re: Seuss]
#8985047 - 09/25/08 03:43 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Because they get paid. Just like Rasmussen and Gallup and all the rest.
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lonestar2004
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Re: Zogby Predicting a McCain Landslide? [Re: Coaster]
#8985056 - 09/25/08 03:44 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I mostly always agree with my fearless leader (phred) but its not like Zogby came out of nowhere...
"Zogby International is an American market research, opinion polling firm founded in 1984 by John Zogby. The company polls, researches and consults for a wide spectrum of business media, government, and political groups, and conducts public opinion research in more than 70 countries. Zogby International is headquartered in Utica, New York, with offices in Washington D.C., Miami, Florida, and Dubai, United Arab Emirates.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zogby_International
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Re: Zogby Predicting a McCain Landslide? [Re: zappaisgod]
#8985061 - 09/25/08 03:45 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Maybe if I was down, I'd shuffle around some money in their direction, hoping for some anomalous numbers.
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Re: Zogby Predicting a McCain Landslide? [Re: lonestar2004]
#8985128 - 09/25/08 03:53 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I realize Zogby has been around a while, I just point out that their accuracy sucks. I am surprised to see Zogby plump for McCain, though... John Zogby himself is a partisan Libbie. This is one reason his polling sucks... his bias comes across in his question design, which every competent pollster will tell you is key to poll accuracy.
At any rate, if you're going to trust ANY polls (and there are excellent arguments for disregarding ALL of them), Zogby ain't gonna be on the short list of trustworty pollsters, believe me.
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Re: Zogby Predicting a McCain Landslide? [Re: lonestar2004]
#8985142 - 09/25/08 03:55 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Zogby don't know jack. Obama by landslide!
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Re: Zogby Predicting a McCain Landslide? [Re: Gastronomicus]
#8985193 - 09/25/08 04:07 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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the funny thing is when i first read the title since i new obama was in the lead i presumed landslide meant his campaign will act like a landslide and slip down down down a muddy slippy path and obama would win by a phatty margin
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Re: Zogby Predicting a McCain Landslide? [Re: Coaster]
#8985206 - 09/25/08 04:12 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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polls are meaningless, often incomplete, and change constantly.
listen, any crazy on the street can "predict" that aliens will attack tomorrow, and by no means does it make it true.
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Re: Zogby Predicting a McCain Landslide? [Re: lonestar2004]
#8985239 - 09/25/08 04:18 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
lonestar2004 said: how much personal info would i have to give you in such a situation?
After what the Anonymous people did to Palin I'm paranoid.
Can do it through Paypal if you have an account; no information need change hands prior to the actual election.
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Re: Zogby Predicting a McCain Landslide? [Re: lonestar2004]
#8985890 - 09/25/08 06:47 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'll quote a post I saw a few minutes ago that seems particularly appropriate.
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November 3rd is the most important poll day
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Re: Zogby Predicting a McCain Landslide? [Re: Redstorm]
#8986714 - 09/25/08 08:59 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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sadly i am inclined to agree w/ zogby this time..even though he predicted a kerry landslide in 2004...
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Re: Zogby Predicting a McCain Landslide? [Re: Redstorm]
#8988623 - 09/26/08 09:01 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Redstorm said: I'll quote a post I saw a few minutes ago that seems particularly appropriate.
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November 3rd is the most important poll day
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Re: Zogby Predicting a McCain Landslide? [Re: lonestar2004]
#8988711 - 09/26/08 09:33 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Can I take that as a no on my proposed bet, Lone?
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Re: Zogby Predicting a McCain Landslide? [Re: Ancalagon]
#8988730 - 09/26/08 09:40 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ancalagon said:
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Coaster said: so i guess Zogby ignores all the current poles that has obama leading by 6 points
All i know is that people called me clueless when i predicted this months ago, now i have at least have one of the country’s top pollsters on my side.
Would you like to make a small side bet to that effect? I'll even give you odds: McCain wins the popular vote by more than 5% I'll give you $50; Obama wins by more than 5% you give me $25; the margin is closer than 5% we call it even. Do I have a taker?
Deal!
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Re: Zogby Predicting a McCain Landslide? [Re: lonestar2004]
#8988757 - 09/26/08 09:46 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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lonestar2004 said:
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Ancalagon said:
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lonestar2004 said:
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Coaster said: so i guess Zogby ignores all the current poles that has obama leading by 6 points
All i know is that people called me clueless when i predicted this months ago, now i have at least have one of the country’s top pollsters on my side.
Would you like to make a small side bet to that effect? I'll even give you odds: McCain wins the popular vote by more than 5% I'll give you $50; Obama wins by more than 5% you give me $25; the margin is closer than 5% we call it even. Do I have a taker?
Deal!
Sweet, rofl, now for the dilemma: Do I vote for fucking Obama just to cancel out your inevitable vote for McCain? Shit fuck, what a conundrum.
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Re: Zogby Predicting a McCain Landslide? [Re: Ancalagon]
#8988765 - 09/26/08 09:49 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm gonna be Voting early and often.
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Re: Zogby Predicting a McCain Landslide? [Re: lonestar2004]
#8988852 - 09/26/08 10:09 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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How can you vote often? You can only vote once.
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Re: Zogby Predicting a McCain Landslide? [Re: pinkfloydms]
#8988872 - 09/26/08 10:15 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Source of "Vote Early and Often"
The cynical phrases "Vote early -- and often" and "Vote early -- and vote often" are variously attributed to three different Chicagoans: Al Capone, the famous gangster; Richard J. Daley, mayor from 1955 to 1976; and William Hale Thompson, mayor from 1915-1923 and 1931-1935. All three were notorious for their corruption and their manipulation of the democratic process. It is most likely that Thompson invented the phrase, and Capone and Daley later repeated it.
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