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Invisiblemofo
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Ever Seen Spirits?
    #8915235 - 09/11/08 09:16 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

If so, What do you think they are?
Have you ever seen spirits?
You may choose only one


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OfflineGroomies
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Re: Ever Seen Spirits? [Re: mofo]
    #8915257 - 09/11/08 09:19 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

its all in the mind.  think about it. if you saw a female spirit, run up and touch the bitch. slap her ass and see what happens. hey shes  a ghost she can't sue you or press charges. :grin:


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Invisiblemofo
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Re: Ever Seen Spirits? [Re: Groomies]
    #8915308 - 09/11/08 09:31 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

well the only female spirit I've seen was (I believe) the ghost of my grandmother, so I don't think I'll be slapping her ass.  Besides, she didn't exactly have an ass.  She was kind of nebulous-like.


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Re: Ever Seen Spirits? [Re: mofo]
    #8916893 - 09/12/08 06:32 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I am unsure.


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InvisibleAnnapurna1
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Re: Ever Seen Spirits? [Re: mofo]
    #8921730 - 09/13/08 01:10 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)



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"anchor blocks counteract the process of pontiprobation..while omalean globes regulize the pressure"...


Edited by Annapurna1 (09/13/08 01:56 AM)


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InvisibleDieCommie


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Re: Ever Seen Spirits? [Re: mofo]
    #8921736 - 09/13/08 01:11 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Yea, but they were drug induced and not real.


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Re: Ever Seen Spirits? [Re: DieCommie]
    #8921954 - 09/13/08 02:35 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

How does that make the experience any less valid though?


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Re: Ever Seen Spirits? [Re: deCypher]
    #8922131 - 09/13/08 03:45 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

palaous de destascrartious este de dioustillious ah ne nahphellium de histu


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Re: Ever Seen Spirits? [Re: deCypher]
    #8923053 - 09/13/08 10:56 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

The Cypher said:
How does that make the experience any less valid though?



Thats a silly question.  I dont even know what that means for an 'experience to be valid'.  It doesnt make sense to apply validity to an experience.

However, it does make the experience not real.  That is what I saw and felt was a figment caused by drugs not by phenomenon in the outside world.  No camera or other person would have saw it.  So when I sobered up I didnt and dont believe in spirits.


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Re: Ever Seen Spirits? [Re: DieCommie]
    #8923213 - 09/13/08 11:37 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Someone's in denial.:D


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InvisibleDieCommie


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Re: Ever Seen Spirits? [Re: axis_bal]
    #8923222 - 09/13/08 11:40 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I did not post here to have my ideas disrespected, mocked or debated.


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InvisibledeCypher
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Re: Ever Seen Spirits? [Re: DieCommie]
    #8924242 - 09/13/08 03:59 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

DieCommie said:
Quote:

The Cypher said:
How does that make the experience any less valid though?



Thats a silly question.  I dont even know what that means for an 'experience to be valid'.  It doesnt make sense to apply validity to an experience.

However, it does make the experience not real.  That is what I saw and felt was a figment caused by drugs not by phenomenon in the outside world.  No camera or other person would have saw it.  So when I sobered up I didnt and dont believe in spirits.




You have an odd criteria for determining which experiences are real and which ones aren't.  Are you claiming that an experience must be physical in order to be considered real?  If so, then what about your thoughts?  No other person, camera, or independently verifiable observer can confirm that you are indeed thinking about a certain idea--does this mean that your thought isn't truly real?

And if you're claiming that only those things that you can touch, see, and hear in this physical reality are real, then what about the dream landscape?  One can hold entire conversations with dream actors, thump a solid table with your fist, and pick a bloody fight with a minotaur--and all of these phenomenon at the time are indistinguishable from reality by your senses.  It's only in retrospect that you make the choice to deem these things nonexistent.  And as for verifiability, one can easily ask another person in your dream to confirm the reality of an event--and more often than not, they will readily reply that you're not dreaming and that these events are actually occurring.

It's as if you're saying that there exists an objective physical world that solely determines the reality of phenomena--and yet there is no such thing.  Anything that we can ever know about undifferentiated reality comes through our sensory perception, and these are purely mental experiences.  Awareness, perception, and our thoughts are what's truly fundamental to our knowledge of the world--we must extrapolate from these any kind of idea about what's really out there.  From this, therefore, we must conclude that any mental experience whatsoever that we perceive must be as real as any other; for in the end, one cannot even prove the existence of a solid table.  All we can say is that we see, feel, and taste the table--and this gives us evidence towards its reality.  So what about when one sees, feels, and touches a spirit while under the influence of psychedelics or other drugs?  Similarly, all we can know of this experience is the mental one as mediated through our senses, and one is forced to conclude that this experience is just as 'real' as any other.

Materialism has its attractions, but idealism is a far more fundamental philosophical position.  It's not necessary to 'believe' in spirits in order to experience them.


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Re: Ever Seen Spirits? [Re: DieCommie]
    #8929504 - 09/14/08 04:58 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

DieCommie said:
Quote:

The Cypher said:
How does that make the experience any less valid though?



Thats a silly question.  I dont even know what that means for an 'experience to be valid'.  It doesnt make sense to apply validity to an experience.

However, it does make the experience not real.  That is what I saw and felt was a figment caused by drugs not by phenomenon in the outside world.  No camera or other person would have saw it.  So when I sobered up I didnt and dont believe in spirits.




You didn't post here to have ideas mocked or debated, and you concede it doesn't make sense to attempt to apply validity to an experience...

and yet, here you are suggesting it would be silly not to invalidate your drug experience as 'not real'.

Would you mind defining what is real for me? It seems I have been confusing the things happening in my mind with- (*ExplosiveMango pauses*)


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Re: Ever Seen Spirits? [Re: mofo]
    #8929626 - 09/14/08 05:22 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

mofo said:
If so, What do you think they are?




No.

And what about : "if not, what do you think they are?"

Delusions.


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Re: Ever Seen Spirits? [Re: mofo]
    #8929923 - 09/14/08 06:32 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

TWIMC: THIS IS THE FORUM FOR BELIEVERS.

Trash mysticism all you please in ANY OTHER FORUM. :kittyeagle:

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mofo said:
If so, What do you think they are?




Dark matter.


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Re: Ever Seen Spirits? [Re: mofo]
    #8938713 - 09/16/08 11:50 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Spirit. :wink:


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Re: Ever Seen Spirits? [Re: Gomp]
    #8971005 - 09/23/08 12:23 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I believe that spirits are indeed real.  A few years ago I used a Quija board a few times and received interesting responses.  After that I had a few visits from a spirit that stayed in my room.  There was one time where I saw it's face appear on the ceiling, then rush down and threw my head.  Once I saw it's entire body phase through mine.

Another time I looked at the corner of my room and a bright white light appeared, spread points up and down so it resembled a crystal shape, and it disappeared.

After some of my relatives died I would have a session with them in my dreams where we would sit in a heavenly cafe and discuss anything we wanted to.  It felt so real and I believe I was really talking to them.

There are too many interesting experiences to just cast them out as delusions because they don't fit snugly into a materialistic/physical view on reality.


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Re: Ever Seen Spirits? [Re: Pauvro]
    #8971814 - 09/23/08 07:11 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I have encountered the helping spirits, just not visually.


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