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OfflineCannabischarlie
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internal affairs, is it a joke?
    #8829229 - 08/26/08 05:02 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I was recently contacted by the Internal Affairs department.

I have an ongoing case (it is not drug related) and it is a ridiculously weak one. Furthermore, the Sheriffs Office seems to be acting in a very biased manner, not only charging me with the crime after violating my constitutional rights, but also just doing a piss poor job "investigating" it.

They where concerned because i had tried to reach the supervisors of the deputies involved by calling their dispatch at the time it occured. While I do agree that maybe I was approaching this wrong, i had made a prior and unrelated complain in november of last year to IA that fell on deaf ears and the Undersheriff basically had to be contacted on 4 seperate occasions to basically NOT investigate it, after they called me back and said i never even made a complaint.

the "professional standards" (one in the same with IA) lieutenant AND the sargeant met with me, they tried to explain that this is still under litigation, but that they where there to help. they where concerned that i had talked to several people in their department, but that i should go to them. also that they where "not corrupt"

wait a minute, my last complaint fell on deaf ears on all levels. now that i am spending thousands fighting what i feel is a joke of a case, its especially hard to feel like anything fair has happened.

police should not be policing themselves, it seems like a total conflict of interest, fox guarding the henhouse bunch of bullshit. they can put all the "integrity" bullshit on their pamphlets but at the least if they are not corrupt they are INEPT or simply dont care to actually do anything reasonable about the matter.

I left a message stating i felt that they had not done anything for me in the past, and to cancel the appointment i had with them at my next court date. i felt this was fair because they stated they had waited for me on a few occasions but where aware that maybe it didnt feel like a good time, or that i am uncomfortable with doing so.

we dont have a citizens review board of any kind here, if i hadnt had a prior problem with their lack of investigating and unfair treatment by the undersheriff himself, (he called me back and said i shouldnt be making complaints, i should have been arrested on that day in question, and that i was "very lucky" :rolleyes:)

it has become increasingly frustrating because the DA's office (a seperate entity) has acted irrationally (my lawyer states this county is like that, hes not fond of it either)

my former victims advocate in a crime i was a VICTIM of not only didnt do squat to get restitution (it was recieved after a ridiculous amount of time) basically kept like 6 vmails, and wrote basically perjurous information because i had the audacity to complain to them. :rolleyes:

it didnt get used against me, but if it had, i would have a special prosecuter on the case. its retarded. it makes you feel like you are stuck with whatever bullshit they try to railroad you with.

anyone else have trouble with internal affairs or police accountability? does anyone have anything good to report?

my friend filed something in another county with an IA office and they did investigate but only "reprimanded" the officer. :rolleyes:


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Re: internal affairs, is it a joke? [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #8829346 - 08/26/08 06:29 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

yeah, they searched me after I refused (car) and they got a positive hit from a dog (never had controlled substances in the car, ever).


Mildly fucked up a 150$ biochem textbook, and I complained.  Guy who took complaint was nice, but dismissive, and I never heard anything about it.


I'm thinking of suing under illegal seizure (for time spent waiting for the search) and the destruction of the book, some damage, but probably won't.  I don't think anyone will care about a search that was likely legal, unless I can dig up evidence the dog wasn't accredited or whatever, and mild damage to a book.


But yeah, they didn't seem to care and never did anything.


Nevertheless, file complaints for actual violations of rights.  Get that shit on paper.  You never know when the cop will screw up and your prior 'unfounded' complaints will be looked at again.

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Re: internal affairs, is it a joke? [Re: johnm214]
    #8830517 - 08/26/08 12:32 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

> and they got a positive hit from a dog

Personally, I think if they are going to use use dogs as cops, then when a dog makes a false hit, it should be no different than a cop lying about PC.  Whatever happens to a cop that lies about PC should happen to a dog that makes a false hit.  After a false hit or two, the dog should be retired.

If nothing else, by filing a lawsuit, you at least get the dog and the false hit on record.  It may not help you, but it may help somebody else down the road.


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Re: internal affairs, is it a joke? [Re: Seuss]
    #8832401 - 08/26/08 07:51 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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> and they got a positive hit from a dog

Personally, I think if they are going to use use dogs as cops, then when a dog makes a false hit, it should be no different than a cop lying about PC.  Whatever happens to a cop that lies about PC should happen to a dog that makes a false hit.  After a false hit or two, the dog should be retired.





It isn't the dog that is lying, it is the handler.  The handler instructs the dog to indicate.  The dog is merely following its training.  Dogs don't have the same judgment and morality as people.  Drug dogs could care less about the drugs.  They are trained to associate the drug odors with their favorite toys.  They are merely searching for their toys and know they will be rewarded if they find them.  They are not capable of deception.  Their handlers, on the other hand, are very capable of deception.

I'd say after a false hit or two the dog handler should be retired, permanently and without pay or retirement benefits.


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Re: internal affairs, is it a joke? [Re: AnotherDimension]
    #8834320 - 08/27/08 04:34 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

> It isn't the dog that is lying, it is the handler.

Yes, but training dogs is expensive... and if every few stops they have to pay thirty grand to train another dog, somebody (the handler) is going to get reassigned.

I see that you are being more direct.  :grin:  (I was trying to do the same thing, but in a round-about way since the cops would never admit to anything wrong.)


Another thought on internal affairs... they aren't corrupt everywhere.  Sometimes, internal affairs departments are run by civilian (not police) investigative boards that have no ties to the police.  Personally, I think all IA should be this way, with the civilian's chosen by popular vote of the people (much like school boards).

In the country that I live, we have been trying to establish this type of system for years, but the government will not allow it to happen.  Corruption here runs rampant and having civilian oversight of the police "would prevent our police from being able to effectively do their job.  They would continually have to second guess every decision wondering if they were going to lose their job because of the civilian oversight committee."  :rolleyes:


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Re: internal affairs, is it a joke? [Re: Seuss]
    #8834837 - 08/27/08 08:36 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

police fight accountability anywhere they can.

having police police the police is just asinine, at the very least, they just dont do shit, i think police when convicted need to serve 3 times the sentence as a mandatory sentence, plus no consideration of lesser charges. they should know better.


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Re: internal affairs, is it a joke? [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #8835348 - 08/27/08 11:06 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

> i think police when convicted need to serve 3 times

Not just police, but anybody in a position of authority.  Corrupt judges, corrupt prosecutors, corrupt politicians, etc... I'm a big proponent of the 3x sentences for people that abuse authority and public trust.


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Re: internal affairs, is it a joke? [Re: AnotherDimension]
    #8840284 - 08/28/08 07:17 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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It isn't the dog that is lying, it is the handler.  The handler instructs the dog to indicate. 





some hit due to over excitement or from other stimuli


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They are not capable of deception.




then maybe you could explain why my doberman would drag cloths
across the house from the laundry room to cover the poop he had
dropped next to the front door, dogs are capable of deception

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Re: internal affairs, is it a joke? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8894034 - 09/07/08 11:44 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

what is wrong with wanting police accountability?

i was a victim of a crime, i complained because my "victims advocate" did literally nothing.

she then complained, perjured herself, etc, with her little cronie, to railroad me in my court case as a defendant.

i have contacted the attorney general.

hope the worthless bitch gets fired :yesnod:

i will make a stink until something gets done.

fight fire, with fire. litigate till it hurts.

no one should be victimized by their own victims advocate.


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Re: internal affairs, is it a joke? [Re: Seuss]
    #8971095 - 09/23/08 12:54 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Seuss said:
> It isn't the dog that is lying, it is the handler.


Another thought on internal affairs... they aren't corrupt everywhere.  Sometimes, internal affairs departments are run by civilian (not police) investigative boards that have no ties to the police.  Personally, I think all IA should be this way, with the civilian's chosen by popular vote of the people (much like school boards).

In the country that I live, we have been trying to establish this type of system for years, but the government will not allow it to happen.  Corruption here runs rampant and having civilian oversight of the police "would prevent our police from being able to effectively do their job.  They would continually have to second guess every decision wondering if they were going to lose their job because of the civilian oversight committee."  :rolleyes:




i live in Colorado, having the police as internal investigators is an absolute joke.

in jurisdictions where it is citizen run, it actually works.


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