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Americans seem very christian????
    #8967037 - 09/22/08 06:11 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

As some of you may know I've been sick for the last week. And so sleeping on the couch and watching too much TV.
After watching allot of American shows, I was surprised to see how many seem christian.

Walking around thanking the 'Laaawd' for this, and thank 'Gaawwd' for that.

Is it a weird figure of speech or are allot of Americans christian?


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: polantis]
    #8967057 - 09/22/08 06:27 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I think it's part of our subconscious er something.

I can't count how many non-christians say "oh god" during sex.

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: polantis]
    #8967069 - 09/22/08 06:39 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I know what your saying Polantis, I think maybe though it's more just that we are very 'Atheist' here in Australia. Cause' I know plenty of people who have been baptised, but the majority of them would consider themselves as Atheists anyway.

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: arbalest]
    #8967089 - 09/22/08 07:03 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Well that's what I was wondering. I even tell people that I'm not Christian when they say 'Bless you' when I sneeze.

Just interested to know what Americans think on this topic? As in whether they 'are' christian or whether it's just as Aroundthesun said and it's more a figure of speech.
Like 'bloody' here in Aus, which is also quite odd. 'Bloody car'  'The car is bleeding?' haha


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: polantis]
    #8967098 - 09/22/08 07:09 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah Americans are mega Christian, probably because they were colonised by religious extremists (the Pilgrims).

And we were colonised by petty criminals...


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: zouden]
    #8967105 - 09/22/08 07:13 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

alot of extremist christians in amuhrka


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: polantis]
    #8967116 - 09/22/08 07:18 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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are allot of Americans christian?




Yes

http://pewforum.org/publications/reports/poll2002.pdf








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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: polantis]
    #8967123 - 09/22/08 07:19 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Naw, it's become a figure of speech, even though we do have our fair share of religious loonies. Having said that, don't judge us all by the actions of a few extremists.

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: Le_Canard]
    #8967143 - 09/22/08 07:28 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Naw, it's become a figure of speech, even though we do have our fair share of religious loonies. Having said that, don't judge us all by the actions of a few extremists.




Those "religious loonies" are in the majority by far.


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: zouden]
    #8967163 - 09/22/08 07:37 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah Americans are mega Christian, probably because they were colonised by religious extremists (the Pilgrims).

And we were colonised by petty criminals...




Good point, but wouldn't that mean we'd have a higher crime rate than US?


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: polantis]
    #8967174 - 09/22/08 07:41 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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As some of you may know I've been sick for the last week.




this sounds an awful lot like a prayer request

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8967220 - 09/22/08 08:03 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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As some of you may know I've been sick for the last week.




this sounds an awful lot like a prayer request




Yeah thank the laawd for my flu?

I thought I'd mention I was sick because I don't usually sit on the couch 10hrs a day watching TV


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: polantis]
    #8967237 - 09/22/08 08:15 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

we is gonna pray fo yo heeeeelin' and we gonna lay some hands on you... not in the catholic way

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: polantis]
    #8967260 - 09/22/08 08:23 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Some parts of the US are mega-religious, and some parts aren't. In the southeast, the traditional lawwwwd is King. Up here in the northeast, not so much. Midwest is loaded, but California is kinda free... with it's own brand of cults and lunatics!

But it seems to be woven into the overall fabric, and people are just too PC to say otherwise... Many agnostic/atheists in the US simply 'go with the flow' so they don't look like heathen bastards to the average Joe.

American TV is very, VERY fake... I'm sure you know, but it's even more fake than you could believe. :smile:

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: polantis]
    #8967328 - 09/22/08 09:00 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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I even tell people that I'm not Christian when they say 'Bless you' when I sneeze.




Judging by that comment, you sound like a very miserable old sod.

Also, not all people who say "bless you" when someone sneezes are Christians.

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: psychejam]
    #8967358 - 09/22/08 09:21 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

when someone sneezes, I say "fuck you", and I'm Christian. Crazy world.

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: AroundtheSon]
    #8967410 - 09/22/08 09:49 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Well thank you. I'm christian but don't really talk about God that much.


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: ray40cal]
    #8967437 - 09/22/08 09:58 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Some parts of the US are mega-religious, and some parts aren't. In the southeast, the traditional lawwwwd is King. Up here in the northeast, not so much. Midwest is loaded, but California is kinda free... with it's own brand of cults and lunatics!




Its strange how different it is across the country. When my brother moved back to Oklahoma from Alaska he was in shock. He said in Alaska you see a bar or liquor store on every corner and few churches. But in OK you see a church on every corner and few bars. My Grandma lives on a block with 4 churches on it.

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: ray40cal]
    #8967466 - 09/22/08 10:06 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: lexmark]
    #8967477 - 09/22/08 10:10 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

About five higher than yours. What is the point of your post?

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: Redstorm]
    #8967531 - 09/22/08 10:24 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

i believe "America" has more people that do not care about religion.
but Christianity is the monopolizing religion in the world!

but growing up pagan.
i pretty much stay out of the crazy things they do.


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: polantis]
    #8967535 - 09/22/08 10:25 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Don't worry, they are only christian on sundays. Thats how 95% of them are anyways.


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: Kada]
    #8967562 - 09/22/08 10:32 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

yeah people hold no religeous structure anymore


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: ray40cal]
    #8967753 - 09/22/08 11:23 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Well thank you. I'm christian but don't really talk about God that much.




Not a whole lot to say. It is what it is.

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: AroundtheSon]
    #8967769 - 09/22/08 11:28 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

America's relegious percentage is wayyyyy out of the norm for such a developed country.


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: sam420]
    #8967782 - 09/22/08 11:31 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

you say that as if it's a statistical anomoly?

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: AroundtheSon]
    #8967785 - 09/22/08 11:31 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

it is


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: AroundtheSon]
    #8967787 - 09/22/08 11:32 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

what exactly IS the norm???


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: McMoney]
    #8967794 - 09/22/08 11:33 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

i posted this pretty recently but here ya go



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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: sam420]
    #8967809 - 09/22/08 11:38 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

what is this graph basses upon?


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: polantis]
    #8967946 - 09/22/08 12:25 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Hrmmm... I think a lot of people do use it just to say it, but I also know America is full of christians and it's hella annoying cause they seem to always push their religion on everyone/everything.

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: McMoney]
    #8968025 - 09/22/08 12:49 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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what is this graph basses upon?



The source is at the bottom of the graph, however its pretty old, and the page isnt up anymore. Here is an archived copy.

http://web.archive.org/web/20070610084208/http://www.pitzer.edu/academics/faculty/zuckerman/atheism.html


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: nightfall8132]
    #8968040 - 09/22/08 12:53 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

yes and they also think that if you are NOT chirstian your gonna go to hell and suffer your entire after life...


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Re: Americans seem very Christian???? [Re: McMoney]
    #8968083 - 09/22/08 01:01 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Most people that say they are Christian really are not. If you don't tell someone you are, you get into lengthy, hell condemned conversation. For years i would say i am, just because i was raised that way. I don't believe that graph at all. 1/30 people in my city might go to church, and out of those people, half don't really care to be there. Out of the half that do care to be there, it's because they use church as a crutch, and would jump ship if they found something else that made them feel good and righteous. I have no certain numbers for my information, they are just observations.

I believe in god. Name him whatever you want, come up with stories and absurd ceremonies. All are the same, just interpreted differently. Some extremely differently, but same none the less. All are corrupted in some shape or form.


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Re: Americans seem very Christian???? [Re: Kada]
    #8968110 - 09/22/08 01:05 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Most people that say they are Christian really are not. If you don't tell someone you are, you get into lengthy, hell condemned conversation. For years i would say i am, just because i was raised that way. I don't believe that graph at all. 1/30 people in my city might go to church, and out of those people, half don't really care to be there. Out of the half that do care to be there, it's because they use church as a crutch, and would jump ship if they found something else that made them feel good and righteous. I have no certain numbers for my information, they are just observations.





Christianity is not about actions, its about faith. That is where it broke off from Judaism which is all about actions, and questioning. You don't need to go to church or do anything else in order to be a christian, you only need to believe.


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: McMoney]
    #8968113 - 09/22/08 01:05 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Americans seem very Christian???? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #8968177 - 09/22/08 01:21 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Most people that say they are Christian really are not. If you don't tell someone you are, you get into lengthy, hell condemned conversation. For years i would say i am, just because i was raised that way. I don't believe that graph at all. 1/30 people in my city might go to church, and out of those people, half don't really care to be there. Out of the half that do care to be there, it's because they use church as a crutch, and would jump ship if they found something else that made them feel good and righteous. I have no certain numbers for my information, they are just observations.





Christianity is not about actions, its about faith. That is where it broke off from Judaism which is all about actions, and questioning. You don't need to go to church or do anything else in order to be a Christian, you only need to believe.



I was kicked out of 3 churches because of my way of thinking. I was told never to talk to anyone other than Christians, and if i did i was a sinner to. I was told that i had to cut my hair short, or i wouldn't be allowed back. A minister took me aside and told me how i was to dress every Sunday, or i wasn't welcome to return. I refused to burn my "ungodly possessions" in the campfire at a youth rally, so they made me go home.
In my opinion, Christians are intolerant of anything they are not accustomed to, and would rather get rid of the problem rather than deal with it. If they can't change you, they don't want you there in my experience.

Christianity is all about faith, and thats dangerous. It's about assimilation. They are like Borg. You will be assimilated, Resistance is futile. Give us your money to build the latest bigger buildings. So we can fit more in to be assimilated. They prey on fear. Follow us, we are the true faith, all else are going to hell. That is not right. That is not what i teach my kids.

Perhaps my little city in Indiana is still a whole shit load Puritan. I just seem to find all the crazy churches. But still, any Christian i know tries to force their beliefs on me, and if i don't agree with something, they condemn me to hell. Even my own dad.


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Re: Americans seem very Christian???? [Re: Kada]
    #8968430 - 09/22/08 02:14 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Nut jobs for sure. I think Christianity would have been much better off if it had remained a liberal branch of Judaism.....though it may not have lasted this long.


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Re: Americans seem very Christian???? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #8968484 - 09/22/08 02:29 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I like the people that are christians, but still smoke weed and are open to other influences other than what their church tells them. I know i come across strong when this topic comes up, so i wanna say i shouldn't group up everyone into stereotypes. It's my problem, and i try not to do it.


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: polantis]
    #8968634 - 09/22/08 03:17 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah Americans are mega Christian, probably because they were colonised by religious extremists (the Pilgrims).

And we were colonised by petty criminals...




Good point, but wouldn't that mean we'd have a higher crime rate than US?




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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: Redstorm]
    #8968797 - 09/22/08 03:57 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

i realize when people say bless you after a sneeze it's just supposed to be a kind gesture - but i always ask them "what's that mean?" :shrug: so many of our little mannerisms just need to be re-examined for their useful qualities, and if it's determined that there's a REAL reason for them, retain them - otherwise I don't see why you wouldn't just discard them. much of america is certainly christian - but i think people are slowly starting to awaken..

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: blkjkrabbit]
    #8968833 - 09/22/08 04:06 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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i realize when people say bless you after a sneeze it's just supposed to be a kind gesture - but i always ask them "what's that mean?" :shrug: so many of our little mannerisms just need to be re-examined for their useful qualities, and if it's determined that there's a REAL reason for them, retain them - otherwise I don't see why you wouldn't just discard them. much of america is certainly christian - but i think people are slowly starting to awaken..




The expression supposedly dates back to the time of the bubonic plague. Sneezing was one of the early signs of infection, so to say "bless you" after someone sneezed was just a way of saying I hope you dont have the plague.


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #8968867 - 09/22/08 04:17 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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i realize when people say bless you after a sneeze it's just supposed to be a kind gesture - but i always ask them "what's that mean?" :shrug: so many of our little mannerisms just need to be re-examined for their useful qualities, and if it's determined that there's a REAL reason for them, retain them - otherwise I don't see why you wouldn't just discard them. much of america is certainly christian - but i think people are slowly starting to awaken..




The expression supposedly dates back to the time of the bubonic plague. Sneezing was one of the early signs of infection, so to say "bless you" after someone sneezed was just a way of saying I hope you dont have the plague.




interesting :strokebeard: that does make sense i suppose. maybe there's room for that expression here in the near future :shocked::wink::omgawesome:

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: blkjkrabbit]
    #8968997 - 09/22/08 04:57 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Bunch of mind controlled zombies, for the most part, in my experience.
At least that's my perspective, being raised (read: forced) to be a christian and both sides of the family fanatic freaks.
I talked to my dad a couple weeks ago, he's like so why do you think god put us on this Earth.. I'm like uhh... to learn and gain knowledge and evolve based on life experiences, because knowledge > all. And he's all "NO.. WRONG.. it's to minister the word to others", and I'm like fuck that noise.

The biggest problem with Christians IMO is that their main objective is to push and pander their religion to everyone else, because everyone that's not a christian is in their eyes.. a poor "lost soul". That's why they go to third world countries and try and shove bibles down their throats, and tell them they are going to burn in the fiery pits of hell for eternity if they do not accept Jesus Christ as their personal lord and savior. Fucking zealots.

I'm a firm believer in Free Will, and acceptance of diversity. People can believe in and worship whatever the hell they want.. that's the beauty of free will and diversity.. but when you start trying to FORCE your beliefs down other peoples throats,, you are overstepping the boundaries, and JUDGE those people as LESSER than you for not believing in the same things, they are acting the exact opposite of the principles their religion was founded on - namely... tolerance and love thy neighbor. Praise the great jeebus all you want but don't tell other people they are sinners for not doing the same. I'll worship or not worship who I fucking please, thanks. Same goes for the War on Drugs on any other related phenomenon, telling people what they can or cannot put into their bodies.

That's a lot of christians in this country, anyway. They spew this hypocritical bullshit left and right, judge their fellow man, live lives of sin and go to church on sundays to fit in. I've met some pretty cool, level-headed christians, but for the most part.. the entire freaking organization puts a terrible taste in my mouth and I wish they would just shut the fuck up once in a while and practice what they preach. Not to even mention, blindly religious people are even more susceptible to mind control and mental programming because they just swallow everything the TV/Pastor/Government/Guy on the radio says without question or even thinking for themselves, which is a large part of the reason ignorance is such a huge problem in this country, people don't question, or think for themselves. Now of course I'm not speaking for everyone in the country because obviously there are some cool motherfuckers here, but when it comes to religious FREAK-A-ZOIDS, we have the cream of the crop.

Myself, I am very spiritual, but do not associate with any religion. I don't need a puppet middle-man to tell me what my relationship with God/The Universe has to be like. Or what completely arbitrary moral guidelines and illogical dogmas to base my life around. I live MY life how I see fit to better myself and those around me, not blindly follow whatever orders are given to me from some crazed lunatic.

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: Shroomism]
    #8969077 - 09/22/08 05:23 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)


says it all. pontius is a champ

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: blkjkrabbit]
    #8969537 - 09/22/08 07:03 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I have met very few Christians with the attitudes that people here seem to hate so much. The only one I have ever had try to push something on me is my grandmother. I think it depends a lot on what kind of church they go to. All my life I have visited different churches when someone invites me and never been kicked out for not fitting in.
The closest I came was when I when to a Seventh Day Adventist church. They have pretty strict beliefs like no jewelry for example and I was pierced from head to toe. They still didn't ask me to leave but I could tell some had a problem with it.
I consider myself a Christian but I don't go to church constantly and I would not try to force my opinion on someone else. I might mention my opinion to people I feel are receptive but if they don't want to here it I don't pursue it.
There seems to be a lot of hate here towards Christians. People talk about them being hypocritical but they are just people also, they make mistakes. Just because they believe in Jesus don't mean they think they are perfect.

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: No Agenda]
    #8969692 - 09/22/08 07:33 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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I have met very few Christians with the attitudes that people here seem to hate so much. The only one I have ever had try to push something on me is my grandmother. I think it depends a lot on what kind of church they go to. All my life I have visited different churches when someone invites me and never been kicked out for not fitting in.
The closest I came was when I when to a Seventh Day Adventist church. They have pretty strict beliefs like no jewelry for example and I was pierced from head to toe. They still didn't ask me to leave but I could tell some had a problem with it.
I consider myself a Christian but I don't go to church constantly and I would not try to force my opinion on someone else. I might mention my opinion to people I feel are receptive but if they don't want to here it I don't pursue it.
There seems to be a lot of hate here towards Christians. People talk about them being hypocritical but they are just people also, they make mistakes. Just because they believe in Jesus don't mean they think they are perfect.




Your right, but most, because they believe in jesus, automatically think that anyone who doesn't is wrong, and that all other faiths are wrong as well.  Also, to not push their faith on people goes against what it says int he bible, christians are supposed to spread the word, and bring salvation to others.  Also, they believe that everyone who is not christian, is going to hell, how fucked up is that?  To think that your faith, not the oldest faith around either, is the right one, and everyone else that is not christian is going to burn in damn nation the rest of their miserable eternities.

I, too, was raised in a christian family, going to church on sundays and wednesday evening youth group.  I was this way through some of college even, but then, I started thinking on my own, and saw all the real world contradictions that are in the bible, and some of the things it preaches as truth that are complete fairy tales...its just silly.  I mean, Jonah lived in a whale for 1 week...seriously?

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: blkjkrabbit]
    #8969720 - 09/22/08 07:39 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: supra]
    #8969756 - 09/22/08 07:45 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the polite reply, thats not what I expected. The only thing I have to say about that is spreading the word and trying to force your beliefs on people are not the same thing. Therefor it wouldn't go against the Bible. I have told Christians this when they ask how I could consider voting for someone who is not a Christian. I always tell them that Jesus never forced anyone to believe in him why should I. Thats why I believe in separation of church and state. People should be allowed to make there own decisions, not only about religion but religiously pushed laws, regardless of how I believe. The religious right in this country is nuts thinking we need all these laws to protect people. Ok now I see how people interpret Christians pushing there beliefs on people. I never thought about it collectively only individually.

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: No Agenda]
    #8969796 - 09/22/08 07:51 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I've also heard that 'Bless you' was meant to bless someone who was possessed. (Sneezing was thought to be demons escaping)
But regardless of how it started, I don't think it's right that allot of the world uses terms that they don't believe in. In the same way people who are Non-religious or Atheist shouldn't really be thanking god for anything.
It's not that I'm cynical, I just find that most people don't pay attention to what they say. To some extent Christianity has been build into allot of aspects of the Western world, I'm sure if I went round saying 'Oh my Allah!' heaps of people would say something. But 'Oh my God' seems a figure of speech.

Back to the topic. It does seem that allot of Americans are impartial to Christianity and keep quiet letting the extreme Christians take the spotlight. I also notice the minority groups and alternative religions seem to be quite isolated and stick together in small communities. I think allot probably has to do with the amount of states too, in that Americans seem to bind to a common ground to unite the country. While European countries in particular have no huge desire to unite the whole continent, and so religion is more at an individual level.


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: Shroomism]
    #8969846 - 09/22/08 08:00 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Bunch of mind controlled zombies, for the most part, in my experience.
At least that's my perspective, being raised (read: forced) to be a christian and both sides of the family fanatic freaks.
I talked to my dad a couple weeks ago, he's like so why do you think god put us on this Earth.. I'm like uhh... to learn and gain knowledge and evolve based on life experiences, because knowledge > all. And he's all "NO.. WRONG.. it's to minister the word to others", and I'm like fuck that noise.

The biggest problem with Christians IMO is that their main objective is to push and pander their religion to everyone else, because everyone that's not a christian is in their eyes.. a poor "lost soul". That's why they go to third world countries and try and shove bibles down their throats, and tell them they are going to burn in the fiery pits of hell for eternity if they do not accept Jesus Christ as their personal lord and savior. Fucking zealots.

I'm a firm believer in Free Will, and acceptance of diversity. People can believe in and worship whatever the hell they want.. that's the beauty of free will and diversity.. but when you start trying to FORCE your beliefs down other peoples throats,, you are overstepping the boundaries, and JUDGE those people as LESSER than you for not believing in the same things, they are acting the exact opposite of the principles their religion was founded on - namely... tolerance and love thy neighbor. Praise the great jeebus all you want but don't tell other people they are sinners for not doing the same. I'll worship or not worship who I fucking please, thanks. Same goes for the War on Drugs on any other related phenomenon, telling people what they can or cannot put into their bodies.

That's a lot of christians in this country, anyway. They spew this hypocritical bullshit left and right, judge their fellow man, live lives of sin and go to church on sundays to fit in. I've met some pretty cool, level-headed christians, but for the most part.. the entire freaking organization puts a terrible taste in my mouth and I wish they would just shut the fuck up once in a while and practice what they preach. Not to even mention, blindly religious people are even more susceptible to mind control and mental programming because they just swallow everything the TV/Pastor/Government/Guy on the radio says without question or even thinking for themselves, which is a large part of the reason ignorance is such a huge problem in this country, people don't question, or think for themselves. Now of course I'm not speaking for everyone in the country because obviously there are some cool motherfuckers here, but when it comes to religious FREAK-A-ZOIDS, we have the cream of the crop.

Myself, I am very spiritual, but do not associate with any religion. I don't need a puppet middle-man to tell me what my relationship with God/The Universe has to be like. Or what completely arbitrary moral guidelines and illogical dogmas to base my life around. I live MY life how I see fit to better myself and those around me, not blindly follow whatever orders are given to me from some crazed lunatic.

Thus concludes my I hate Christianity rant which I am required by law to complete at least once every couple of months. 



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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: Kada]
    #8969915 - 09/22/08 08:15 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Religion is not physical.
Religion is a belief.
A belief is a thought.
Religion therefore cannot be forced upon anyone.
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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: Kada]
    #8969947 - 09/22/08 08:22 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Don't worry, they are only christian on sundays. Thats how 95% of them are anyways.




That is what I've always felt, if someone who leads the same lifestyle and has the same personal choices as a satanist like me or even an atheist.  Truth is they fit into the the non-denominational category not the christian one.  Being a christian isn't just believing in the word of god it's living it while accepting at the same time that we are human and make mistakes rather than intentionally commit sin and say your a christian anyway because you partake in a christian church.


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: polantis]
    #8969950 - 09/22/08 08:23 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

The results of religious beliefs can be forced on people.
Thou shalt not murder
murder is against the law.
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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: polantis]
    #8969953 - 09/22/08 08:24 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Religion is not physical.
Religion is a belief.
A belief is a thought.
Religion therefore cannot be forced upon anyone.
To do so, would be against religion.



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    #8969964 - 09/22/08 08:27 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Don't worry, they are only christian on sundays. Thats how 95% of them are anyways.




That is what I've always felt, if someone who leads the same lifestyle and has the same personal choices as a satanist like me or even an atheist.  Truth is they fit into the the non-denominational category not the christian one.  Being a christian isn't just believing in the word of god it's living it while accepting at the same time that we are human and make mistakes rather than intentionally commit sin and say your a christian anyway because you partake in a christian church.




So I don't believe I have spoken to a person who considers themselves a satanist. That would imply that you believe what the Bible says yet you would prefer to live in damnation? I would like to know what the benifits of following such a religion are. I can understand athiests and other religions but I don't understand this.

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: No Agenda]
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The results of religious beliefs can be forced on people.
Thou shalt not murder
murder is against the law.
ect..




True but the laws of god are suppose to be higher than the laws of man. Plus the major ones will always come together murder, rape, molestation and apparently sodomy.


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Don't worry, they are only christian on sundays. Thats how 95% of them are anyways.




That is what I've always felt, if someone who leads the same lifestyle and has the same personal choices as a satanist like me or even an atheist.  Truth is they fit into the the non-denominational category not the christian one.  Being a christian isn't just believing in the word of god it's living it while accepting at the same time that we are human and make mistakes rather than intentionally commit sin and say your a christian anyway because you partake in a christian church.




So I don't believe I have spoken to a person who considers themselves a satanist. That would imply that you believe what the Bible says yet you would prefer to live in damnation? I would like to know what the benifits of following such a religion are. I can understand athiests and other religions but I don't understand this.




The Church of Satan has nothing to do with devil worship or the bible nor heaven nor hell.


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: UnholyChild666]
    #8969998 - 09/22/08 08:33 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Ok enough said. I was not informed and thats why it made no since to me. Thanks.

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    #8970005 - 09/22/08 08:35 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Don't worry, they are only christian on sundays. Thats how 95% of them are anyways.




That is what I've always felt, if someone who leads the same lifestyle and has the same personal choices as a satanist like me or even an atheist.  Truth is they fit into the the non-denominational category not the christian one.  Being a christian isn't just believing in the word of god it's living it while accepting at the same time that we are human and make mistakes rather than intentionally commit sin and say your a christian anyway because you partake in a christian church.




So I don't believe I have spoken to a person who considers themselves a satanist. That would imply that you believe what the Bible says yet you would prefer to live in damnation? I would like to know what the benifits of following such a religion are. I can understand athiests and other religions but I don't understand this.




The Church of Satan has nothing to do with devil worship or the bible nor heaven nor hell.




From what I know, it has to do with admitting the fact that evil does live within all people, and that it should be embraced, just as love is, and used for good purposes.  Just because evil exists doesn't mean you have to use it for bad purposes.  Also, atheism isn't a religion I don't think, more so the lack of all religion.  I like to think of myself as spiritual, but I believe in no supreme being/entity or any of that sillyness.

Im not quite up to par on satanism, but that is what I think I have heard about it, its not really worshipping satan as in the devil or gods counterpart or anything like that, but just embracing the 'bad' in life, as it is just as much a part of it as any good.

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #8970053 - 09/22/08 08:47 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Religion is not physical.
Religion is a belief.
A belief is a thought.
Religion therefore cannot be forced upon anyone.
To do so, would be against religion.



Both thoughts, and practices can both be forced upon people.




Force is physical.
As much as a christian thinks me to be Christian, I won't necessarily be christian.
As far as I know, the Bible doesn't state anything about 'Force thy neighbor to praise me'

As for murder,rape, theft....these are not solely religious issues. These are moral issues.


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Religion is not physical.
Religion is a belief.
A belief is a thought.
Religion therefore cannot be forced upon anyone.
To do so, would be against religion.



Both thoughts, and practices can both be forced upon people.




Force is physical.







Its not all that difficult, or uncommon for one person to deceive another into believing, or doing something they might not have on their own. This is true for religion as well.

Hey natives of this new continent, here take these blankets. What that you say.....why are you all getting sick and dieing? Hmmmmmm, it must be because you worship a false god, here we'll introduce you to our god, the true god, and show you how to worship him properly..........


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Kada said:
Don't worry, they are only christian on sundays. Thats how 95% of them are anyways.




That is what I've always felt, if someone who leads the same lifestyle and has the same personal choices as a satanist like me or even an atheist.  Truth is they fit into the the non-denominational category not the christian one.  Being a christian isn't just believing in the word of god it's living it while accepting at the same time that we are human and make mistakes rather than intentionally commit sin and say your a christian anyway because you partake in a christian church.




So I don't believe I have spoken to a person who considers themselves a satanist. That would imply that you believe what the Bible says yet you would prefer to live in damnation? I would like to know what the benifits of following such a religion are. I can understand athiests and other religions but I don't understand this.




The Church of Satan has nothing to do with devil worship or the bible nor heaven nor hell.




So I looked up the Church of Satan website and I can defenitly understand why people are drawn to it. It has some good points listed there. And it appears to follow it a person must be well disciplened. Its always interesting to see another point of view.

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: No Agenda]
    #8970217 - 09/22/08 09:22 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

The only religion that ever made true sense to me:

Fourscore and seven minutes ago, we, your forefathers, were brought forth upon a most excellent adventure conceived by our new friends, Bill and Ted. These two great gentlemen are dedicated to proposition which was true in my time, just as it's true today. Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES!



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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #8970241 - 09/22/08 09:27 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Religion is not physical.
Religion is a belief.
A belief is a thought.
Religion therefore cannot be forced upon anyone.
To do so, would be against religion.



Both thoughts, and practices can both be forced upon people.




Force is physical.







Its not all that difficult, or uncommon for one person to deceive another into believing, or doing something they might not have on their own. This is true for religion as well.

Hey natives of this new continent, here take these blankets. What that you say.....why are you all getting sick and dieing? Hmmmmmm, it must be because you worship a false god, here we'll introduce you to our god, the true god, and show you how to worship him properly..........




That's choice, not force. Whether deceived or making a conscious choice, it is a choice none the less.


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: polantis]
    #8970285 - 09/22/08 09:34 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #8970360 - 09/22/08 09:57 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Goddamn how i revere those christian fucks.  I live in southeast usa: 
AKA: The Bie-bell  (bible) belt with a tobacco buckle.

FUCK CHRISTIANS!  They annoy me so with their prayers and such.


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: shroomie_glen]
    #8970371 - 09/22/08 10:00 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: Kada]
    #8970441 - 09/22/08 10:16 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

:rofl2:

A friend and I were driving around one day, when we saw a sign saying 'Assembly of God.' Amazed at the fact God was on earth, and even more so at the fact there was enough god's to warrant an assembly we decided to check it out.

Turns out God wasn't there, just a bald dude in a robe telling a cool story about how the world was formed. So we listened to the mans stories. After finishing, he asked if anyone had any questions. Figuring this was a good time for discussion my friend stuck up his hand and asked...'WHAT ABOUT DINOSAURS?'

We were asked to leave very quickly. Pity cos that was a cool story.


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: Kada]
    #8970446 - 09/22/08 10:17 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

When Christian people tell me that they will "prey" for me:

-it makes me feel like a freshly inserted tampon into a creampied pussy.

-Like i was tied up and fucked by a chihuahua.

-Like a piece of gum that you get stuck on your shoe in the summer heat, then track all over the upholstery of your new car.

-like getting cat shit in your earhole.

-like Utterly disgusted. 
Its mostly because i know they are TRULY wasting their time on me, which is saddening.  It really makes my skin crawl when they say that.


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: shroomie_glen]
    #8970620 - 09/22/08 10:57 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Funny, I'm like the opposite of many of you guys. I was raised by atheists and converted to Catholicism as an adult.  Say what you will, but I love the Church.  I'd tell the whole story of how it all happened, but its pretty long and kind of personal.

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: mofo]
    #8970636 - 09/22/08 11:01 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I'd be interested in hearing it. As in, what persuaded you to believe it?

I have 'a' religion. But my god, is myself. And my church, is the world.


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: polantis]
    #8970715 - 09/22/08 11:16 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

okay, well I started writing it, so maybe I'll finish it and post tomorrow.

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: polantis]
    #8970748 - 09/22/08 11:24 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Its not all that difficult, or uncommon for one person to deceive another into believing, or doing something they might not have on their own. This is true for religion as well.

Hey natives of this new continent, here take these blankets. What that you say.....why are you all getting sick and dieing? Hmmmmmm, it must be because you worship a false god, here we'll introduce you to our god, the true god, and show you how to worship him properly..........




That's choice, not force. Whether deceived or making a conscious choice, it is a choice none the less.




By that definition, everything is a choice, your argument is invalid.

If you exclude any other possible alternative, you force someones beliefs. A child who is born and raised in a christian household, and not exposed to any other outside perspective will believe everything it is taught. Many religions do not involve "belief", however most people raised in a christian environment cant conceptualize anything else. The idea that religion is a belief, or a thought has been forced upon you, and you dont even know it. For many religions, its all about practice. In Judaism, the very concept of faith is absurd. Someone is a jew (religiously, not racially) in the same way that a painter is a painter, or an athlete is an athlete. Its all about the set of practices that have been passed down over 3500 years. Most religions are something you practice rather than something you claim.


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #8970866 - 09/22/08 11:50 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I was raised in a Catholic family, and knew from a young age I didn't believe in it.

Force is physically making someone do/believe something. eg.Chaining you to a wall til you believe in "x"

But a child raised solely in a Christian community is not being forced.
If everyone around you said the sky was red, and you saw it as blue, would you just believe everyone else?

Choice IS everything, unless forced.


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: McMoney]
    #8970972 - 09/23/08 12:14 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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yes and they also think that if you are NOT chirstian your gonna go to hell and suffer your entire after life...




That fear based tactic is based on a lie and a misunderstanding of scripture due to poor translation, a lack of understanding of Jewish culture during the time of Christ, and a desire to control people, with #3 being the predominant reason.

As a Christian, based on both what the bible actually says (not to mention when I look at butterflies,  jasmine flowers and what creation actually suggests to me about God's true nature) is that there is no such thing as hell for any human being. This is a FACT.

I don't look down on anyone who doesn't believe in God, questions about "why are we here" and "the meaning of life" have been on men's minds since the dawn of time. Some conclude that there is no God, and that's understandable considering lives dramatically different situations. But I cannot see how it helps in any way to badger and threaten people who draw these conclusions. If God truly is a Father, why would he set this all up and condemn those who come to the "wrong" conclusion?? (atheists play along with me here) The answer is He wouldn't.


I'm a messed up human father, and seeing my children suffer is indescribably worse than my own suffering. And this God that is supposed to be love, perfect love, supposedly takes pleasure in not only our temporary suffering here on earth, but is going to have an eternal perfect party without almost NONE of his children with him, but who are rather suffering the worst misery imaginable? Come on. No.

I have quite a few atheist friends, and after hearing their stories of encounters with "Christians" (not to mention my own) I understand why such angry words are used against a group of people who on one hand say that God is love, and on the other basically state that everyone is pretty much going to burn in an awful pit forever who's not like them.

These are my beliefs, and while they may not be yours, please know that not all of us represent such horrible beliefs.

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: whattheheck]
    #8971439 - 09/23/08 02:58 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

suprising number of christians on the shroomery
let me just say that i am one of those number as well


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #8971446 - 09/23/08 03:00 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

They're bible thumping republican freaks. 

Religion is the scourge of the world.


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: polantis]
    #8971766 - 09/23/08 06:50 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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I was raised in a Catholic family, and knew from a young age I didn't believe in it.

Force is physically making someone do/believe something. eg.Chaining you to a wall til you believe in "x"

But a child raised solely in a Christian community is not being forced.
If everyone around you said the sky was red, and you saw it as blue, would you just believe everyone else?

Choice IS everything, unless forced.




Now your just falling upon semantics, I've clearly demonstrated that your point is flawed. Continue to believe it if you like:shrug:


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #8971797 - 09/23/08 07:04 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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suprising number of christians on the shroomery
let me just say that i am one of those number as well




but then again a lot of Christians would say if you do drugs your not one.


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: polantis]
    #8972070 - 09/23/08 09:04 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Religion is not physical.
Religion is a belief.
A belief is a thought.
Religion therefore cannot be forced upon anyone.
To do so, would be against religion.




OH I disagree. I was forced against my will.. physically.. as a child, to go to church.. Where they pounded my brain with crap.
Or perhaps we can look back in history... to oh... say... the CRUSADES.
Thoughts are just as real as anything else. A belief can and does cause people to act on them. Extreme beliefs result in extreme actions. This can be demonstrated time and time again.
We Americans are all over the world. "Forcing" our ideologies on unaware/undeveloped countries with inferior firepower. What is our fetish with the middle east all about? Did the Crusades ever end? HOLY WARS, LOL.

You don't believe in my god, therefore I am going to shoot your face off and slaughter your family. Sounds about right.


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: UnholyChild666]
    #8972592 - 09/23/08 11:32 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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suprising number of christians on the shroomery
let me just say that i am one of those number as well



but then again a lot of Christians would say if you do drugs your not one.



none that i associate with, in fact it was a friend from church who introduced me to weed in the first place


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: UnholyChild666]
    #8973046 - 09/23/08 01:07 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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suprising number of christians on the shroomery
let me just say that i am one of those number as well




but then again a lot of Christians would say if you do drugs your not one.




And that's the paradigm shift that happened at one time  to make Christianity (I will not speak for other religions, although they may share commonalities) a tool by which to control the masses and NOT what Christ laid out.

A religion which is based on not doing things to make oneself "holy" is a false religion. We all know the guy who didn't drink, smoke, curse etc. and had no love anywhere in his life. If God is love, what good is his religion.

Christianity is about putting others before you, loving as you wish to be loved, including those who hate you, taking care of the poor, not hurting others.

These are things we DO.

It's hard to have a problem with real Christianity, and to make comments like "religion is the scourge of the world" is to show a lack of knowledge and understanding as to what TRUE religion has meant to us as a society.

Nothing more powerful than true, pure religion, which always comes from and is expressed in love.

Nothing worse or more destructive than hijacked religion which expresses itself in anger and force, laced with threats and hate.


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: whattheheck]
    #8973199 - 09/23/08 01:45 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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UnholyChild666 said:
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Zinglons Acolyte said:
suprising number of christians on the shroomery
let me just say that i am one of those number as well




but then again a lot of Christians would say if you do drugs your not one.




And that's the paradigm shift that happened at one time  to make Christianity (I will not speak for other religions, although they may share commonalities) a tool by which to control the masses and NOT what Christ laid out.





Considering everything that we know of Jesus, and Christianity comes through what you have labeled "a tool by which to controll the masses, and not what Christ laid out" how do you know what Jesus did, or did not "lay out"?


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Re: Americans seem very Christian???? [Re: whattheheck]
    #8973244 - 09/23/08 01:52 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I went to a Christian church and they put on a video. This video showed a couple with 3 kids talking about how the parents both lost their jobs, and couldn't feed their children properly with the unemployment money that they were getting. But they sat there and said that they were good christians, and they still gave 10% of whatever income they had to the church because thats what was in the bible, and thats what the preacher told them was right.

I stood up in the middle of it and screamed, "WTF! Feed your fucking kids you idiot! The preacher has a 200k house, a beamer and 2 fucking Cadillacs!" I then looked around and everyone was looking at me like i was the devil himself. That day's lesson was that you needed to give the church 10% of your money NO MATTER WHAT. this church was going thought its 3rd renovation in 6 years, and wanted to build a catering service that they charged people to use. This church is monstrously huge, and the preacher is a rich rich man. I got up, left, and never went back.

The past 3 youth minsisters were charges with either rape, child molestation, and child endangerment. One of them was fired for being a fanatic and putting teens through questionable rituals.


One church i went to had armed gunmen come in and hold us hostage for over and hour to prove that religion will not be swayed by evil men.


The last church i went to i actually liked the preacher alot. He was the one who married me and my wife. He never preached hate or the normal Christian condemnations. He preached love, acceptance and tolerance. It was a good church. But the elders wanted him to change his tune, and when he refused they dug into his past by interrogating his wife, then fired him for supposedly almost cheating on his wife. I guess he almost went on a date with another man but didn't. Im not sure if it was true, but watever the case was, that happened over 20 years before that. they now have a hell condeming preacher on stage now, guilting the masses into submission.


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Re: Americans seem very Christian???? [Re: Kada]
    #8973300 - 09/23/08 02:02 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

i stay away from big churches, the church i go to is pretty awesome, the preacher preaches love and acceptance, and thats what evereybody believes. its a pretty small church, maybe 30-40 people, but its all much more friendly and personal


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Re: Americans seem very Christian???? [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #8973327 - 09/23/08 02:09 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds like a decent place to be then :smile:


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: shroomie_glen]
    #8973447 - 09/23/08 02:41 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Goddamn how i revere those christian fucks.  I live in southeast usa: 
AKA: The Bie-bell  (bible) belt with a tobacco buckle.

FUCK CHRISTIANS!  They annoy me so with their prayers and such.




:lol: @ you

Revere

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This, children, is what happens when someone tries to look smart by using big words they don't understand.

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #8973828 - 09/23/08 03:50 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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blewmeanie said:
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whattheheck said:
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Zinglons Acolyte said:
suprising number of christians on the shroomery
let me just say that i am one of those number as well




but then again a lot of Christians would say if you do drugs your not one.




And that's the paradigm shift that happened at one time  to make Christianity (I will not speak for other religions, although they may share commonalities) a tool by which to control the masses and NOT what Christ laid out.





Considering everything that we know of Jesus, and Christianity comes through what you have labeled "a tool by which to controll the masses, and not what Christ laid out" how do you know what Jesus did, or did not "lay out"?




The same way you or any other person knows anything that happened before they were born and/or was not witnessed with their own eyes.

And I hope this is not an attempt to suggest that Yeshua of Nazerth didn't exist. I'm not going to get into a theological debate here, but if you want to PM me, I can point you towards other historical accounts of aspects of his life and the early church.

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: whattheheck]
    #8974008 - 09/23/08 04:26 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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whattheheck said:
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UnholyChild666 said:
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Zinglons Acolyte said:
suprising number of christians on the shroomery
let me just say that i am one of those number as well




but then again a lot of Christians would say if you do drugs your not one.




And that's the paradigm shift that happened at one time  to make Christianity (I will not speak for other religions, although they may share commonalities) a tool by which to control the masses and NOT what Christ laid out.

A religion which is based on not doing things to make oneself "holy" is a false religion. We all know the guy who didn't drink, smoke, curse etc. and had no love anywhere in his life. If God is love, what good is his religion.

Christianity is about putting others before you, loving as you wish to be loved, including those who hate you, taking care of the poor, not hurting others.

These are things we DO.

It's hard to have a problem with real Christianity, and to make comments like "religion is the scourge of the world" is to show a lack of knowledge and understanding as to what TRUE religion has meant to us as a society.

Nothing more powerful than true, pure religion, which always comes from and is expressed in love.

Nothing worse or more destructive than hijacked religion which expresses itself in anger and force, laced with threats and hate.




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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: No Agenda]
    #8974027 - 09/23/08 04:31 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

A church i went to kicked out a homeless man trying to listen to your word of god. They don't like anyone that doesn't look like easter morning.


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: Kada]
    #8974047 - 09/23/08 04:37 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Its churches and stories like that give other churches a bad name. I've been to some pretty uptight churches and never seen them turn someone away unless they were being extremely disruptive. I have even picked homeless people up and took them to church with me on potluck days. These people would smell awfull but they never were asked to leave. I'm not saying that what you have seen don't happen but that is the opposite of what the Bible says to do and whoever in the church participated in kicking this guy out should be ashamed of themeselves.

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: polantis]
    #8974104 - 09/23/08 04:51 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Well that's what I was wondering. I even tell people that I'm not Christian when they say 'Bless you' when I sneeze.





Why? 

First if they were literally blessing you that was a comand to god, and you just interupted.  In any event it is not a request or demand for you to do anything, so I don't see why you'd mind that they told god to bless you in your presence.  It was their wish, not yours. 

Secondly, it is a polite gesture.  I say bless you.  I do not mean to comand god to do my bidding just cuz some jackass sneezed.  I mean "I acknowledge that you sneezed and that it is customary to say 'bless you' as an affectionate response, and so please notice that I both noticed your sneeze and took said action in an attempt to be nice to you"


If someone said "I'm atheist" after I said "bless you" I'd probably say "ok" or "so what?" or something.


I also say "sure" when asked to keep someone in my prayers, even though I don't believe god's actions are at all related to my requests of him.


If you were just jokin gor something, just don't mind the above.


Thirdly, what does being christian have to do with receiving sneeze blessings?  I don't think there's any support for the notion that god refuses to bless non-christian sneezers apart from christian sneezers.

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    #8974539 - 09/23/08 06:19 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Good words there on a weird subject.


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: polantis]
    #8974685 - 09/23/08 06:48 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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As some of you may know I've been sick for the last week. And so sleeping on the couch and watching too much TV.
After watching allot of American shows, I was surprised to see how many seem christian.

Walking around thanking the 'Laaawd' for this, and thank 'Gaawwd' for that.

Is it a weird figure of speech or are allot of Americans christian?




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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: Icelander]
    #8974702 - 09/23/08 06:52 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

We act like our lives are so horrible, then say we will 'get ours' in heaven when we die. :shrug:


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    #8974711 - 09/23/08 06:53 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Considering everything that we know of Jesus, and Christianity comes through what you have labeled "a tool by which to controll the masses, and not what Christ laid out" how do you know what Jesus did, or did not "lay out"?




The same way you or any other person knows anything that happened before they were born and/or was not witnessed with their own eyes.

And I hope this is not an attempt to suggest that Yeshua of Nazerth didn't exist. I'm not going to get into a theological debate here, but if you want to PM me, I can point you towards other historical accounts of aspects of his life and the early church.

Peace




I'm fairly certain that I didn't allude to any such claim. My point is you claim to know the difference between "a tool"(I'm assuming you mean organized religion), and that which "Christ laid out". Since everything we know about the teachings of jesus come from the very "tool" you appear to be denouncing how is it that you believe you know the truth?

Why not debate (or even discuss....gasp!:eek:) here, this is a message board?


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #8975165 - 09/23/08 08:14 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry about that man, I misunderstood what you were asking.

Christ came to set us, and more specifically the Jews, free from the demands and the burdens of the religious leaders. And here we are once again, back in that same spot today, trust me I know.

I work inside, and alongside the American "Christian" Institutional church, and it is the saddest and most aggravating thing I have ever been through, and I've been through hell on earth. For every one or two stories you have, I have 50. Stories of bigotry and hatred, lack of love or forgiveness, the list goes on.

I don't judge any of these people (but their actions are on the table, as are mine)  as I truly believe that we're all, in a very real sense, doing the best that we can at any given time. And sometimes our best just plain sucks.

I really believe that if most churches were suddenly changed into places that demanded that we reflect the attitude of love and self sacrifice that embodied the life of Christ, they'd be at least half empty within a week.

I could say a bunch more, and in no way am I here to convert anyone or whatever, but the bottom line is this, if Christ was alive today, he'd be MUCH more at home with us here on the shroomery than in most any church.

Truth is a rare commodity inside the chapel walls these days, and maybe it always has been, I don't know. But don't believe what we call "church" is what Christ intended, far from it.

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: whattheheck]
    #8975257 - 09/23/08 08:30 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Truth is a rare commodity inside the chapel walls these days, and maybe it always has been, I don't know. But don't believe what we call "church" is what Christ intended, far from it.

Hope I understood what you were asking.



:foreheadslap:

Anything you know about the teachings of Jesus come from "the church". How can you be comfortable picking and choosing what Jesus "intended" vs. everything else?


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #8975869 - 09/23/08 10:09 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

>Anything you know about the teachings of Jesus come from "the church".

I misread that as "the Jews". And then I laughed, but I stopped laughing and thought... Jesus was a Jew... what if he knew he wasn't the messiah, and the whole thing was an elaborate Jewish plot? HMM? Christianity is now the biggest religion in the world, which is just what they wanted :tinfoil:


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    #8975894 - 09/23/08 10:12 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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    #8975907 - 09/23/08 10:15 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I suspect my conspiracy theory won't hold up too well if I do any research


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #8975915 - 09/23/08 10:16 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I was never taught by the church. I read the word on my own. Many original manuscripts, while possibly altered by the church, are still intact. His historical legacy lives through the lives of such men as Gandhi & King and the results that they garnered for the weak and oppressed. One can learn something about a teacher by his followers no??

I do find it interesting that, if your argument will be that the church put together the bible and therefore I learned from them and not Christ, why did they leave the teachings and sayings that they did? This is a question that I wrestle with. Knowing that there was desire to use the church to steer the public, why would they use teachings that run straight into the face of what they were hoping for? (at this point I imagine that one needs a knowledge of the words of Christ, and I'm not sure if you have that) It's puzzling.

Those who are true followers are far from controllable and have in fact been some of the greatest resistance leaders and overall pains in the butts to tyrannical governments and forces around the world for the past 2000 years, and it goes WAY beyond King and the Mahatma.

Look into men such as Wilberforce and the role that true Christian ethics played in the end of slavery. When one looks at the fact that many lost all that they had to free men they would never meet based on the indwelling of a knowledge of justice and truth that many of the leaders attributed to the words of Christ, I think it makes it makes a very compelling argument for the power of His life and words.

I hope that answers your question on why I believe what I do. I have been a Christian since I was very young, although my mom is a practicing witch and involved in a lot of dark stuff, so I've pretty much seen it all, and I know that my beliefs aren't for everyone, and I don't desire to press them on anyone, as a flawed human being, there's no way I can be 100% right, and realizing that,  I don't find any satisfaction in comparing my righteousness (or perception thereof) to anyone else's. 

I just try to live the teachings of love, mercy, grace and peace (and fail miserably at times) and avoid anything that contradicts those things.

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    #8975927 - 09/23/08 10:18 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Goddamn how i revere those christian fucks.  I live in southeast usa: 
AKA: The Bie-bell  (bible) belt with a tobacco buckle.

FUCK CHRISTIANS!  They annoy me so with their prayers and such.




:lol: @ you

Revere



I figured I'd just leave that one alone

-to regard with respect tinged with awe; venerate: The child revered her mother.

This, children, is what happens when someone tries to look smart by using big words they don't understand.




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    #8975937 - 09/23/08 10:20 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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>Anything you know about the teachings of Jesus come from "the church".

I misread that as "the Jews". And then I laughed, but I stopped laughing and thought... Jesus was a Jew... what if he knew he wasn't the messiah, and the whole thing was an elaborate Jewish plot? HMM? Christianity is now the biggest religion in the world, which is just what they wanted :tinfoil:




This isn't leading up to discussions about the Federal Reserve and the Rockerfellers and stuff is it?


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: AroundtheSon]
    #8975954 - 09/23/08 10:24 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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I think it's part of our subconscious er something.

I can't count how many non-christians say "oh god" during sex.




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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #8976035 - 09/23/08 10:45 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

jesus is a mistranslated word which ended up becoming a name

and not only that but 'jesus' is recorded to have life spans in totally different places and times according to each of the 'writers' included in that bible thingy


i live in north east but i go to florida twice a year and have evangelist family members



i think the answer is simple

most americans are submissive

all abrahamic religions 'suggest' you should be submissive to 'god'

submission is the easiest path for those who dont WANT to take responsibility for themselves and their mistakes

and dont WANT to have to think about social complexities 

would rather give blame and responsibility to 'something else'



christianity is also the easiest religion to 'practice'

no prerequisites

prayer only needs to happen one day for maybe an hour or so in the form of reciting verse and listening to someone else tell stories

its simple and stripped down to something manageable by mall-america who just want to buy some cool lookin shit and get home to drink and fuck and sleep



the part that bothers me is how easily african-americans fell into christianity

why?

it might have something to do with..........submission

most of the tribal communities packed up and shipped to the americas back in the day were completely confused

they all were whipped into bowing down to the beliefs of their gun toting superiors

none of them were collectively conscious enough to do anything about it



then like maybe 300 or so years later they are all singing and dancing and diving head first into the tribal practices of christianity with the stern discipline of their parents who suffered and died in the name of 'god'

no questions

no answers

just gospel and submission



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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: zouden]
    #8976183 - 09/23/08 11:16 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Jesus could have been the son of god.

He could have been some schizophrenic psychotic nutjob....


I mean if god sent Jesus to Earth, did he send a Jesus to all planets with life? Or just us, cos we needed a Jesus then? Or was it just a convenient time, before he had to sort out the impending doom on planet 'Zachrionoch'?


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: polantis]
    #8976215 - 09/23/08 11:22 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

or he could of been a she

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    #8976259 - 09/23/08 11:30 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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I was never taught by the church. I read the word on my own. Many original manuscripts, while possibly altered by the church, are still intact.




There aren't any original manuscripts of any of the new testiment books in known existence.


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Excuse my improper use of the language, for "original" I indeed meant original as in the oldest known transscripts, which are of course ancient. Kinda like the "original hamburger stand" wasn't THE original, but it is old :grin:

As far as everything else goes, um, well, belief is a funny thing :shrug:


His historical legacy lives through the lives of such men as Gandhi & King and the results that they garnered for the weak and oppressed. One can learn something about a teacher by his followers no??




There aren't any followers of Jesus. There are promoters of various belief systems that use "jesus" as a mascot, and there are plenty of followers of books; but there isnt anyone who has met, Jesus. Nor is there anyone who has studied anything written by Jesus.


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I do find it interesting that, if your argument will be that the church put together the bible and therefore I learned from them and not Christ, why did they leave the teachings and sayings that they did?





They didn't leave any teachings anywhere. Its not as if the new testament was a much larger book, and they trimmed out the parts that they disagreed with.



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Those who are true followers are far from controllable




Since it is impossible to know what "Jesus" may or may not have taught, I'd say your not in any position to discern who is or is not a "true follower".

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The Religious and Political..... I hate em' both because they all think that they're the ones who knows what's best for you.


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    #8976792 - 09/24/08 01:59 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Hrmmm... I think a lot of people do use it just to say it, but I also know America is full of christians and it's hella annoying cause they seem to always push their religion on everyone/everything.




I've noticed a scale of persistence

- Old ladies - Not annoying, just trying to be nice

- Religous hippies - Somewhat annoying, but i feel sorry for them.

- Jehova's witness - Extreemly annoying. I like to blow blunt smoke in their face when they come to the door, so it gets funny sometimes.

- Radical polygamist groups - Worse than communists. They use God as a cover up for perversion.

Now the ones that annoy me the most are the southern white guys on TV, making a killing off the local rednecks. Why are they always southern? And why do the black guys like al sharpton smoke crack? It's blatant that they are crack heads, and I'm not trying to make a joke.


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: ray40cal]
    #8976822 - 09/24/08 02:33 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Americans do seem very Christian.

The best example I can think up is intelligent design.  The debate is, by far, most heated in the USA (whether or not intelligent design (ID) should be taught in schools as science) and it's safe to dismiss the nonsense claims by pro-ID groups that ID is actually science and not disguised creationism.  The mere fact that this debate even gets any attention and occurs in the USA is a glaring illustration of how Christian (and scientifically illiterate) many Americans are.


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: Plasmid]
    #8976842 - 09/24/08 02:58 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I don't know where they get those statistics. It must include babies, infants, people with alzheimers, and general crazies.

But it is true imo that Americans, on average, are definitely not scientificly and mathematically sound as most other countries. And for people who think we're the most religious nation; Behold, the Middle East.


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: ray40cal]
    #8976864 - 09/24/08 03:20 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

>And for people who think we're the most religious nation; Behold, the Middle East.

But America is the most religious developed nation.


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: ray40cal]
    #8978179 - 09/24/08 12:28 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

education is not a priority in our country

this is THE cause of americas problems


dispute if you must but i stand by this

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