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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: zouden]
    #8975894 - 09/23/08 10:12 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #8975907 - 09/23/08 10:15 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I suspect my conspiracy theory won't hold up too well if I do any research


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #8975915 - 09/23/08 10:16 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I was never taught by the church. I read the word on my own. Many original manuscripts, while possibly altered by the church, are still intact. His historical legacy lives through the lives of such men as Gandhi & King and the results that they garnered for the weak and oppressed. One can learn something about a teacher by his followers no??

I do find it interesting that, if your argument will be that the church put together the bible and therefore I learned from them and not Christ, why did they leave the teachings and sayings that they did? This is a question that I wrestle with. Knowing that there was desire to use the church to steer the public, why would they use teachings that run straight into the face of what they were hoping for? (at this point I imagine that one needs a knowledge of the words of Christ, and I'm not sure if you have that) It's puzzling.

Those who are true followers are far from controllable and have in fact been some of the greatest resistance leaders and overall pains in the butts to tyrannical governments and forces around the world for the past 2000 years, and it goes WAY beyond King and the Mahatma.

Look into men such as Wilberforce and the role that true Christian ethics played in the end of slavery. When one looks at the fact that many lost all that they had to free men they would never meet based on the indwelling of a knowledge of justice and truth that many of the leaders attributed to the words of Christ, I think it makes it makes a very compelling argument for the power of His life and words.

I hope that answers your question on why I believe what I do. I have been a Christian since I was very young, although my mom is a practicing witch and involved in a lot of dark stuff, so I've pretty much seen it all, and I know that my beliefs aren't for everyone, and I don't desire to press them on anyone, as a flawed human being, there's no way I can be 100% right, and realizing that,  I don't find any satisfaction in comparing my righteousness (or perception thereof) to anyone else's. 

I just try to live the teachings of love, mercy, grace and peace (and fail miserably at times) and avoid anything that contradicts those things.

God is a mystery, and that's part of the joy for me.


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: Redstorm]
    #8975927 - 09/23/08 10:18 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Goddamn how i revere those christian fucks.  I live in southeast usa: 
AKA: The Bie-bell  (bible) belt with a tobacco buckle.

FUCK CHRISTIANS!  They annoy me so with their prayers and such.




:lol: @ you

Revere



I figured I'd just leave that one alone

-to regard with respect tinged with awe; venerate: The child revered her mother.

This, children, is what happens when someone tries to look smart by using big words they don't understand.




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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: zouden]
    #8975937 - 09/23/08 10:20 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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>Anything you know about the teachings of Jesus come from "the church".

I misread that as "the Jews". And then I laughed, but I stopped laughing and thought... Jesus was a Jew... what if he knew he wasn't the messiah, and the whole thing was an elaborate Jewish plot? HMM? Christianity is now the biggest religion in the world, which is just what they wanted :tinfoil:




This isn't leading up to discussions about the Federal Reserve and the Rockerfellers and stuff is it?


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: AroundtheSon]
    #8975954 - 09/23/08 10:24 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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I think it's part of our subconscious er something.

I can't count how many non-christians say "oh god" during sex.




i do

and last night i said "oh man" then almost started laughing


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #8976035 - 09/23/08 10:45 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

jesus is a mistranslated word which ended up becoming a name

and not only that but 'jesus' is recorded to have life spans in totally different places and times according to each of the 'writers' included in that bible thingy


i live in north east but i go to florida twice a year and have evangelist family members



i think the answer is simple

most americans are submissive

all abrahamic religions 'suggest' you should be submissive to 'god'

submission is the easiest path for those who dont WANT to take responsibility for themselves and their mistakes

and dont WANT to have to think about social complexities 

would rather give blame and responsibility to 'something else'



christianity is also the easiest religion to 'practice'

no prerequisites

prayer only needs to happen one day for maybe an hour or so in the form of reciting verse and listening to someone else tell stories

its simple and stripped down to something manageable by mall-america who just want to buy some cool lookin shit and get home to drink and fuck and sleep



the part that bothers me is how easily african-americans fell into christianity

why?

it might have something to do with..........submission

most of the tribal communities packed up and shipped to the americas back in the day were completely confused

they all were whipped into bowing down to the beliefs of their gun toting superiors

none of them were collectively conscious enough to do anything about it



then like maybe 300 or so years later they are all singing and dancing and diving head first into the tribal practices of christianity with the stern discipline of their parents who suffered and died in the name of 'god'

no questions

no answers

just gospel and submission



i hope that makes any sense

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: whattheheck]
    #8976174 - 09/23/08 11:14 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: zouden]
    #8976183 - 09/23/08 11:16 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Jesus could have been the son of god.

He could have been some schizophrenic psychotic nutjob....


I mean if god sent Jesus to Earth, did he send a Jesus to all planets with life? Or just us, cos we needed a Jesus then? Or was it just a convenient time, before he had to sort out the impending doom on planet 'Zachrionoch'?


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: polantis]
    #8976215 - 09/23/08 11:22 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

or he could of been a she

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: sirbojangles]
    #8976259 - 09/23/08 11:30 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Id do her


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: sirbojangles]
    #8976397 - 09/23/08 11:54 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #8976674 - 09/24/08 01:04 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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I was never taught by the church. I read the word on my own. Many original manuscripts, while possibly altered by the church, are still intact.




There aren't any original manuscripts of any of the new testiment books in known existence.


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Excuse my improper use of the language, for "original" I indeed meant original as in the oldest known transscripts, which are of course ancient. Kinda like the "original hamburger stand" wasn't THE original, but it is old :grin:

As far as everything else goes, um, well, belief is a funny thing :shrug:


His historical legacy lives through the lives of such men as Gandhi & King and the results that they garnered for the weak and oppressed. One can learn something about a teacher by his followers no??




There aren't any followers of Jesus. There are promoters of various belief systems that use "jesus" as a mascot, and there are plenty of followers of books; but there isnt anyone who has met, Jesus. Nor is there anyone who has studied anything written by Jesus.


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I do find it interesting that, if your argument will be that the church put together the bible and therefore I learned from them and not Christ, why did they leave the teachings and sayings that they did?





They didn't leave any teachings anywhere. Its not as if the new testament was a much larger book, and they trimmed out the parts that they disagreed with.



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Those who are true followers are far from controllable




Since it is impossible to know what "Jesus" may or may not have taught, I'd say your not in any position to discern who is or is not a "true follower".

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God is mystery




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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: zouden]
    #8976768 - 09/24/08 01:42 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

The Religious and Political..... I hate em' both because they all think that they're the ones who knows what's best for you.


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: nightfall8132]
    #8976792 - 09/24/08 01:59 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Hrmmm... I think a lot of people do use it just to say it, but I also know America is full of christians and it's hella annoying cause they seem to always push their religion on everyone/everything.




I've noticed a scale of persistence

- Old ladies - Not annoying, just trying to be nice

- Religous hippies - Somewhat annoying, but i feel sorry for them.

- Jehova's witness - Extreemly annoying. I like to blow blunt smoke in their face when they come to the door, so it gets funny sometimes.

- Radical polygamist groups - Worse than communists. They use God as a cover up for perversion.

Now the ones that annoy me the most are the southern white guys on TV, making a killing off the local rednecks. Why are they always southern? And why do the black guys like al sharpton smoke crack? It's blatant that they are crack heads, and I'm not trying to make a joke.


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: ray40cal]
    #8976822 - 09/24/08 02:33 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Americans do seem very Christian.

The best example I can think up is intelligent design.  The debate is, by far, most heated in the USA (whether or not intelligent design (ID) should be taught in schools as science) and it's safe to dismiss the nonsense claims by pro-ID groups that ID is actually science and not disguised creationism.  The mere fact that this debate even gets any attention and occurs in the USA is a glaring illustration of how Christian (and scientifically illiterate) many Americans are.


"One-half of the American public does not know the earth goes around the sun once a year and believes that the earliest humans lived at the same time as the dinosaurs."

NSF,  Science and Engineering Indicators 1996,  3-21. Washington, DC: U.S. Government Printing Office, p.8.


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: Plasmid]
    #8976842 - 09/24/08 02:58 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I don't know where they get those statistics. It must include babies, infants, people with alzheimers, and general crazies.

But it is true imo that Americans, on average, are definitely not scientificly and mathematically sound as most other countries. And for people who think we're the most religious nation; Behold, the Middle East.


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: ray40cal]
    #8976864 - 09/24/08 03:20 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

>And for people who think we're the most religious nation; Behold, the Middle East.

But America is the most religious developed nation.


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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: ray40cal]
    #8976869 - 09/24/08 03:25 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: blewmeanie]
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