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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: Redstorm]
#8968797 - 09/22/08 03:57 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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i realize when people say bless you after a sneeze it's just supposed to be a kind gesture - but i always ask them "what's that mean?" so many of our little mannerisms just need to be re-examined for their useful qualities, and if it's determined that there's a REAL reason for them, retain them - otherwise I don't see why you wouldn't just discard them. much of america is certainly christian - but i think people are slowly starting to awaken..
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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: blkjkrabbit]
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blkjkrabbit said: i realize when people say bless you after a sneeze it's just supposed to be a kind gesture - but i always ask them "what's that mean?" so many of our little mannerisms just need to be re-examined for their useful qualities, and if it's determined that there's a REAL reason for them, retain them - otherwise I don't see why you wouldn't just discard them. much of america is certainly christian - but i think people are slowly starting to awaken..
The expression supposedly dates back to the time of the bubonic plague. Sneezing was one of the early signs of infection, so to say "bless you" after someone sneezed was just a way of saying I hope you dont have the plague.
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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: blewmeanie]
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blkjkrabbit said: i realize when people say bless you after a sneeze it's just supposed to be a kind gesture - but i always ask them "what's that mean?" so many of our little mannerisms just need to be re-examined for their useful qualities, and if it's determined that there's a REAL reason for them, retain them - otherwise I don't see why you wouldn't just discard them. much of america is certainly christian - but i think people are slowly starting to awaken..
The expression supposedly dates back to the time of the bubonic plague. Sneezing was one of the early signs of infection, so to say "bless you" after someone sneezed was just a way of saying I hope you dont have the plague.
interesting that does make sense i suppose. maybe there's room for that expression here in the near future
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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: blkjkrabbit]
#8968997 - 09/22/08 04:57 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bunch of mind controlled zombies, for the most part, in my experience. At least that's my perspective, being raised (read: forced) to be a christian and both sides of the family fanatic freaks. I talked to my dad a couple weeks ago, he's like so why do you think god put us on this Earth.. I'm like uhh... to learn and gain knowledge and evolve based on life experiences, because knowledge > all. And he's all "NO.. WRONG.. it's to minister the word to others", and I'm like fuck that noise.
The biggest problem with Christians IMO is that their main objective is to push and pander their religion to everyone else, because everyone that's not a christian is in their eyes.. a poor "lost soul". That's why they go to third world countries and try and shove bibles down their throats, and tell them they are going to burn in the fiery pits of hell for eternity if they do not accept Jesus Christ as their personal lord and savior. Fucking zealots.
I'm a firm believer in Free Will, and acceptance of diversity. People can believe in and worship whatever the hell they want.. that's the beauty of free will and diversity.. but when you start trying to FORCE your beliefs down other peoples throats,, you are overstepping the boundaries, and JUDGE those people as LESSER than you for not believing in the same things, they are acting the exact opposite of the principles their religion was founded on - namely... tolerance and love thy neighbor. Praise the great jeebus all you want but don't tell other people they are sinners for not doing the same. I'll worship or not worship who I fucking please, thanks. Same goes for the War on Drugs on any other related phenomenon, telling people what they can or cannot put into their bodies.
That's a lot of christians in this country, anyway. They spew this hypocritical bullshit left and right, judge their fellow man, live lives of sin and go to church on sundays to fit in. I've met some pretty cool, level-headed christians, but for the most part.. the entire freaking organization puts a terrible taste in my mouth and I wish they would just shut the fuck up once in a while and practice what they preach. Not to even mention, blindly religious people are even more susceptible to mind control and mental programming because they just swallow everything the TV/Pastor/Government/Guy on the radio says without question or even thinking for themselves, which is a large part of the reason ignorance is such a huge problem in this country, people don't question, or think for themselves. Now of course I'm not speaking for everyone in the country because obviously there are some cool motherfuckers here, but when it comes to religious FREAK-A-ZOIDS, we have the cream of the crop.
Myself, I am very spiritual, but do not associate with any religion. I don't need a puppet middle-man to tell me what my relationship with God/The Universe has to be like. Or what completely arbitrary moral guidelines and illogical dogmas to base my life around. I live MY life how I see fit to better myself and those around me, not blindly follow whatever orders are given to me from some crazed lunatic.
Thus concludes my I hate Christianity rant which I am required by law to complete at least once every couple of months.
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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: Shroomism]
#8969077 - 09/22/08 05:23 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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says it all. pontius is a champ
Edited by blkjkrabbit (09/22/08 05:26 PM)
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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: blkjkrabbit]
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I have met very few Christians with the attitudes that people here seem to hate so much. The only one I have ever had try to push something on me is my grandmother. I think it depends a lot on what kind of church they go to. All my life I have visited different churches when someone invites me and never been kicked out for not fitting in. The closest I came was when I when to a Seventh Day Adventist church. They have pretty strict beliefs like no jewelry for example and I was pierced from head to toe. They still didn't ask me to leave but I could tell some had a problem with it. I consider myself a Christian but I don't go to church constantly and I would not try to force my opinion on someone else. I might mention my opinion to people I feel are receptive but if they don't want to here it I don't pursue it. There seems to be a lot of hate here towards Christians. People talk about them being hypocritical but they are just people also, they make mistakes. Just because they believe in Jesus don't mean they think they are perfect.
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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: No Agenda]
#8969692 - 09/22/08 07:33 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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oklahomashroomer said: I have met very few Christians with the attitudes that people here seem to hate so much. The only one I have ever had try to push something on me is my grandmother. I think it depends a lot on what kind of church they go to. All my life I have visited different churches when someone invites me and never been kicked out for not fitting in. The closest I came was when I when to a Seventh Day Adventist church. They have pretty strict beliefs like no jewelry for example and I was pierced from head to toe. They still didn't ask me to leave but I could tell some had a problem with it. I consider myself a Christian but I don't go to church constantly and I would not try to force my opinion on someone else. I might mention my opinion to people I feel are receptive but if they don't want to here it I don't pursue it. There seems to be a lot of hate here towards Christians. People talk about them being hypocritical but they are just people also, they make mistakes. Just because they believe in Jesus don't mean they think they are perfect.
Your right, but most, because they believe in jesus, automatically think that anyone who doesn't is wrong, and that all other faiths are wrong as well. Also, to not push their faith on people goes against what it says int he bible, christians are supposed to spread the word, and bring salvation to others. Also, they believe that everyone who is not christian, is going to hell, how fucked up is that? To think that your faith, not the oldest faith around either, is the right one, and everyone else that is not christian is going to burn in damn nation the rest of their miserable eternities.
I, too, was raised in a christian family, going to church on sundays and wednesday evening youth group. I was this way through some of college even, but then, I started thinking on my own, and saw all the real world contradictions that are in the bible, and some of the things it preaches as truth that are complete fairy tales...its just silly. I mean, Jonah lived in a whale for 1 week...seriously?
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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: blkjkrabbit]
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says it all. pontius is a champ
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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: supra]
#8969756 - 09/22/08 07:45 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks for the polite reply, thats not what I expected. The only thing I have to say about that is spreading the word and trying to force your beliefs on people are not the same thing. Therefor it wouldn't go against the Bible. I have told Christians this when they ask how I could consider voting for someone who is not a Christian. I always tell them that Jesus never forced anyone to believe in him why should I. Thats why I believe in separation of church and state. People should be allowed to make there own decisions, not only about religion but religiously pushed laws, regardless of how I believe. The religious right in this country is nuts thinking we need all these laws to protect people. Ok now I see how people interpret Christians pushing there beliefs on people. I never thought about it collectively only individually.
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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: No Agenda]
#8969796 - 09/22/08 07:51 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've also heard that 'Bless you' was meant to bless someone who was possessed. (Sneezing was thought to be demons escaping) But regardless of how it started, I don't think it's right that allot of the world uses terms that they don't believe in. In the same way people who are Non-religious or Atheist shouldn't really be thanking god for anything. It's not that I'm cynical, I just find that most people don't pay attention to what they say. To some extent Christianity has been build into allot of aspects of the Western world, I'm sure if I went round saying 'Oh my Allah!' heaps of people would say something. But 'Oh my God' seems a figure of speech.
Back to the topic. It does seem that allot of Americans are impartial to Christianity and keep quiet letting the extreme Christians take the spotlight. I also notice the minority groups and alternative religions seem to be quite isolated and stick together in small communities. I think allot probably has to do with the amount of states too, in that Americans seem to bind to a common ground to unite the country. While European countries in particular have no huge desire to unite the whole continent, and so religion is more at an individual level.
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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: Shroomism]
#8969846 - 09/22/08 08:00 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: Bunch of mind controlled zombies, for the most part, in my experience. At least that's my perspective, being raised (read: forced) to be a christian and both sides of the family fanatic freaks. I talked to my dad a couple weeks ago, he's like so why do you think god put us on this Earth.. I'm like uhh... to learn and gain knowledge and evolve based on life experiences, because knowledge > all. And he's all "NO.. WRONG.. it's to minister the word to others", and I'm like fuck that noise.
The biggest problem with Christians IMO is that their main objective is to push and pander their religion to everyone else, because everyone that's not a christian is in their eyes.. a poor "lost soul". That's why they go to third world countries and try and shove bibles down their throats, and tell them they are going to burn in the fiery pits of hell for eternity if they do not accept Jesus Christ as their personal lord and savior. Fucking zealots.
I'm a firm believer in Free Will, and acceptance of diversity. People can believe in and worship whatever the hell they want.. that's the beauty of free will and diversity.. but when you start trying to FORCE your beliefs down other peoples throats,, you are overstepping the boundaries, and JUDGE those people as LESSER than you for not believing in the same things, they are acting the exact opposite of the principles their religion was founded on - namely... tolerance and love thy neighbor. Praise the great jeebus all you want but don't tell other people they are sinners for not doing the same. I'll worship or not worship who I fucking please, thanks. Same goes for the War on Drugs on any other related phenomenon, telling people what they can or cannot put into their bodies.
That's a lot of christians in this country, anyway. They spew this hypocritical bullshit left and right, judge their fellow man, live lives of sin and go to church on sundays to fit in. I've met some pretty cool, level-headed christians, but for the most part.. the entire freaking organization puts a terrible taste in my mouth and I wish they would just shut the fuck up once in a while and practice what they preach. Not to even mention, blindly religious people are even more susceptible to mind control and mental programming because they just swallow everything the TV/Pastor/Government/Guy on the radio says without question or even thinking for themselves, which is a large part of the reason ignorance is such a huge problem in this country, people don't question, or think for themselves. Now of course I'm not speaking for everyone in the country because obviously there are some cool motherfuckers here, but when it comes to religious FREAK-A-ZOIDS, we have the cream of the crop.
Myself, I am very spiritual, but do not associate with any religion. I don't need a puppet middle-man to tell me what my relationship with God/The Universe has to be like. Or what completely arbitrary moral guidelines and illogical dogmas to base my life around. I live MY life how I see fit to better myself and those around me, not blindly follow whatever orders are given to me from some crazed lunatic.
Thus concludes my I hate Christianity rant which I am required by law to complete at least once every couple of months.
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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: Kada]
#8969915 - 09/22/08 08:15 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Religion is not physical. Religion is a belief. A belief is a thought. Religion therefore cannot be forced upon anyone. To do so, would be against religion.
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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: Kada]
#8969947 - 09/22/08 08:22 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Kada said: Don't worry, they are only christian on sundays. Thats how 95% of them are anyways.
That is what I've always felt, if someone who leads the same lifestyle and has the same personal choices as a satanist like me or even an atheist. Truth is they fit into the the non-denominational category not the christian one. Being a christian isn't just believing in the word of god it's living it while accepting at the same time that we are human and make mistakes rather than intentionally commit sin and say your a christian anyway because you partake in a christian church.
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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: polantis]
#8969950 - 09/22/08 08:23 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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The results of religious beliefs can be forced on people. Thou shalt not murder murder is against the law. ect..
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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: polantis]
#8969953 - 09/22/08 08:24 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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polantis said: Religion is not physical. Religion is a belief. A belief is a thought. Religion therefore cannot be forced upon anyone. To do so, would be against religion.
Both thoughts, and practices can both be forced upon people.
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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: UnholyChild666]
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Kada said: Don't worry, they are only christian on sundays. Thats how 95% of them are anyways.
That is what I've always felt, if someone who leads the same lifestyle and has the same personal choices as a satanist like me or even an atheist. Truth is they fit into the the non-denominational category not the christian one. Being a christian isn't just believing in the word of god it's living it while accepting at the same time that we are human and make mistakes rather than intentionally commit sin and say your a christian anyway because you partake in a christian church.
So I don't believe I have spoken to a person who considers themselves a satanist. That would imply that you believe what the Bible says yet you would prefer to live in damnation? I would like to know what the benifits of following such a religion are. I can understand athiests and other religions but I don't understand this.
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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: No Agenda]
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oklahomashroomer said: The results of religious beliefs can be forced on people. Thou shalt not murder murder is against the law. ect..
True but the laws of god are suppose to be higher than the laws of man. Plus the major ones will always come together murder, rape, molestation and apparently sodomy.
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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: No Agenda]
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Kada said: Don't worry, they are only christian on sundays. Thats how 95% of them are anyways.
That is what I've always felt, if someone who leads the same lifestyle and has the same personal choices as a satanist like me or even an atheist. Truth is they fit into the the non-denominational category not the christian one. Being a christian isn't just believing in the word of god it's living it while accepting at the same time that we are human and make mistakes rather than intentionally commit sin and say your a christian anyway because you partake in a christian church.
So I don't believe I have spoken to a person who considers themselves a satanist. That would imply that you believe what the Bible says yet you would prefer to live in damnation? I would like to know what the benifits of following such a religion are. I can understand athiests and other religions but I don't understand this.
The Church of Satan has nothing to do with devil worship or the bible nor heaven nor hell.
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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: UnholyChild666]
#8969998 - 09/22/08 08:33 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok enough said. I was not informed and thats why it made no since to me. Thanks.
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Re: Americans seem very christian???? [Re: UnholyChild666]
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Kada said: Don't worry, they are only christian on sundays. Thats how 95% of them are anyways.
That is what I've always felt, if someone who leads the same lifestyle and has the same personal choices as a satanist like me or even an atheist. Truth is they fit into the the non-denominational category not the christian one. Being a christian isn't just believing in the word of god it's living it while accepting at the same time that we are human and make mistakes rather than intentionally commit sin and say your a christian anyway because you partake in a christian church.
So I don't believe I have spoken to a person who considers themselves a satanist. That would imply that you believe what the Bible says yet you would prefer to live in damnation? I would like to know what the benifits of following such a religion are. I can understand athiests and other religions but I don't understand this.
The Church of Satan has nothing to do with devil worship or the bible nor heaven nor hell.
From what I know, it has to do with admitting the fact that evil does live within all people, and that it should be embraced, just as love is, and used for good purposes. Just because evil exists doesn't mean you have to use it for bad purposes. Also, atheism isn't a religion I don't think, more so the lack of all religion. I like to think of myself as spiritual, but I believe in no supreme being/entity or any of that sillyness.
Im not quite up to par on satanism, but that is what I think I have heard about it, its not really worshipping satan as in the devil or gods counterpart or anything like that, but just embracing the 'bad' in life, as it is just as much a part of it as any good.
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