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old shrooms loose potency??
    #8965693 - 09/21/08 09:21 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I have a friend that use to grow.  He said that once he left the shrooms to grow for quite a while, kind of forgot about them.  When he did check he had a bunch of huge shrooms.  But when they were eaten they didnt produce any affect.
I was wondering if anyone else has run into this or heard about it.  Is it true???

I am not really asking about the size.  These were apparently harvested long after their veils broke.
thanks

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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: mrbfrog]
    #8965761 - 09/21/08 09:35 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Potency is genetic, they shouldve still done something.  You can pick the whenever and it will not affect potency.


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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: mrbfrog]
    #8965860 - 09/21/08 10:00 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I've heard mushrooms have to be harvested before their caps open completely upwards and before they drop spores...but i have no idea why that is (i've wanted to ask for a while but forgot). I'm not sure it's true either but it's what i've read. :S sorry i know i'm not helping a lot...i'd like to know the answer to that too :smile:

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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: EM455]
    #8965876 - 09/21/08 10:06 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

oh sorry i hadn't seen Krez' answer...it's probably more logical than what i've read

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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: EM455]
    #8965907 - 09/21/08 10:14 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

What it sounds like was that they'll lose potency around the time they drop spores and then few days later rot out.  No personal expirence with that, but read several places that say they go downhill after optimal picking time

Edited by theratdude64 (09/25/08 09:54 PM)

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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: theratdude64]
    #8965937 - 09/21/08 10:23 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Well, I don't know, but from what I've read, that's hard to believe.  Losing spores shouldn't effect the hallucinagenic effects.  Based on what I've read, the spores don't contain Psilocibin.

I could be wrong, but hear me out.

From what I've read, mushrooms aren't illegal, it's the psilocibin inside that's technically illegal, and that's why we're allowed to possess spores--they contain none. 

Therefore, if they contain none, it shouldn't effect their potency.

Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm just giving my two cents.

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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Hallucinogenist]
    #8965993 - 09/21/08 10:33 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

the optimal time to pick is right after the veil breaks, after that they just swell with water and slowly lose potency...but not completely, and yes, they will rot out after a while.


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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Jean-Luc Picard]
    #8966001 - 09/21/08 10:36 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

They dont lose potency by growing bigger or dropping spores!


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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Krez]
    #8966029 - 09/21/08 10:44 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

The reason that 'around the time the veil breaks' is the best time to harvest is because the ratio of psilocybin to fruit body mass is the greatest. After that time the amount of psilocybin remains the same but the mushroom gains more mass, ie: less potent per gram.


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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Jean-Luc Picard]
    #8966043 - 09/21/08 10:50 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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agmotes165 said:
the optimal time to pick is right after the veil breaks, after that they just swell with water and slowly lose potency...but not completely, and yes, they will rot out after a while.




Yeah, not spore related

Quote:

Dr. Penguin said:
The reason that 'around the time the veil breaks' is the best time to harvest is because the ratio of psilocybin to fruit body mass is the greatest. After that time the amount of psilocybin remains the same but the mushroom gains more mass, ie: less potent per gram.





Ahh, Makes sense :smile:

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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: theratdude64]
    #8966109 - 09/21/08 11:14 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Agreed.

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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Hallucinogenist]
    #8966213 - 09/21/08 11:57 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Spores are better used on prints than being barfed all over the inside of the FC. It's mostly just a pain in the ass to clean them up, so it's easier to harvest pre-sporulation to avoid the mess of dark purple spores.

Potency per gram  based on harvest time is a debatable issue. There's no real data outside of subjective experiences, so I wouldn't bother worrying about it too much. Pick them before they make a mess or turn slimy with rot.


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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Krez]
    #8966231 - 09/22/08 12:02 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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They dont lose potency by growing bigger or dropping spores!




Prove they don't then.


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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: MushHunter08]
    #8966234 - 09/22/08 12:04 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Dr Penguin already did for me.  Like he said the gain more mass but loose no potency.


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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Krez]
    #8966269 - 09/22/08 12:14 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

"ie: less potent per gram."

You missed this part.


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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Dr. Penguin]
    #8966293 - 09/22/08 12:21 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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The reason that 'around the time the veil breaks' is the best time to harvest is because the ratio of psilocybin to fruit body mass is the greatest. After that time the amount of psilocybin remains the same but the mushroom gains more mass, ie: less potent per gram.




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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Dr. Penguin]
    #8966305 - 09/22/08 12:24 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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The reason that 'around the time the veil breaks' is the best time to harvest is because the ratio of psilocybin to fruit body mass is the greatest. After that time the amount of psilocybin remains the same but the mushroom gains more mass, ie: less potent per gram.





Where's the science behind this? Can you post any actual references?

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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: MushHunter08]
    #8966306 - 09/22/08 12:25 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

The amount of actives is consistent, nothing is lost. You gain a marginal amount of extra water and a slight increase in actual fruitbody tissue.

Harvest them before they make a mess, and before they start to rot.

You noobs really need to stop being so jumpy and defensive every time you hear from another hundred post noob that heat or time or light or whatever the hell is going to affect potency. Honestly, more flame wars break out because you guys refuse to listen to people who know better, thinking someone else's word over the internet is the Holy Grail of cultivation.

Take everything with a grain of salt. Some people don't do it on purpose, but there is a spread of misinformation that is unavoidable when some people feel the need to flex their e-peens and act as though because they have a PF grow under their belt that they're the second coming of Stamets. Reliable information is easy enough to find. It's usually the most common way of doing things. When you see a lot of something, chances are it works, but just because you've seen a couple threads that say that smearing your cakes with blue dye improves potency doesn't mean you should just right away defend it as fact whenever someone says anything differently.

Just my two cents, I see a lot of fights going on lately by guys who know relatively little about all this stuff. Stop being so pissy and defensive and maybe listen to people who are only trying to help, and even then, make sure you're taking in the right advice. If you're doing enough reading, the really helpful stuff becomes obvious.


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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Skeeblix]
    #8966340 - 09/22/08 12:34 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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The amount of actives is consistent, nothing is lost. You gain a marginal amount of extra water and a slight increase in actual fruitbody tissue.

Harvest them before they make a mess, and before they start to rot.

You noobs really need to stop being so jumpy and defensive every time you hear from another hundred post noob that heat or time or light or whatever the hell is going to affect potency. Honestly, more flame wars break out because you guys refuse to listen to people who know better, thinking someone else's word over the internet is the Holy Grail of cultivation.

Take everything with a grain of salt. Some people don't do it on purpose, but there is a spread of misinformation that is unavoidable when some people feel the need to flex their e-peens and act as though because they have a PF grow under their belt that they're the second coming of Stamets. Reliable information is easy enough to find. It's usually the most common way of doing things. When you see a lot of something, chances are it works, but just because you've seen a couple threads that say that smearing your cakes with blue dye improves potency doesn't mean you should just right away defend it as fact whenever someone says anything differently.

Just my two cents, I see a lot of fights going on lately by guys who know relatively little about all this stuff. Stop being so pissy and defensive and maybe listen to people who are only trying to help, and even then, make sure you're taking in the right advice. If you're doing enough reading, the really helpful stuff becomes obvious.





Here let me get your soap box for you sir.....:rolleyes:

I would still like someone to prove that over mature mushrooms don't loose any of their potency per mass.


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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: MushHunter08]
    #8966366 - 09/22/08 12:38 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I would like you to prove that they do.

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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: MushHunter08]
    #8966375 - 09/22/08 12:41 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

No, I wasn't being condescending, don't get a 'tude with me. You're the only one being any kind of demeaning here by acting difficult for little or no reason when presented with information.

The problem lies in the fact that all information on this kind of thing is subjective. Do you have a gas chromatograph to analyze the psilocybin content of mushrooms with? Neither do 99% of people who post here, and those who do have access to such things aren't dumb enough to try and run samples of illegal materials in a lab that they don't own.

There's nothing outside of subjective reports to substantiate the potency vs. harvest time debate in any direction. Most people will tell you that they notice no significant difference either way. Genetics is the main contributing factor to potency, and always will be.


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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: apostle11]
    #8966396 - 09/22/08 12:46 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

paradis said:
I would like you to prove that they do.




Ok here ya go for starters.

Quote:

Dr. Penguin said:
The reason that 'around the time the veil breaks' is the best time to harvest is because the ratio of psilocybin to fruit body mass is the greatest. After that time the amount of psilocybin remains the same but the mushroom gains more mass, ie: less potent per gram.




And a quote from RR...

"Smaller fruits have more active product per gram than larger ones, so try to produce larger flushes of smaller fruits."

Do you want me to continue?


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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: MushHunter08]
    #8966410 - 09/22/08 12:50 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

You just admitted he was right, Jesus fuckin' Christ!

It has the same potency throughout the entire mushroom, it's just not as condensed as it would be if you'd picked it earlier.  Therefore you're eating more mushroom, but the same amount of the damned chemical.

Translation:
Per Gram of mushrooms = LESS potency.
Per TOTAL Mushroom = SAME potency.

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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Hallucinogenist]
    #8966440 - 09/22/08 01:01 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

So by your logic Hallucinogenist If I were to eat 1 mushroom that weighed 5 grams vs five mushrooms that weighed one gram each I would trip the same??? :banghead:


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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: MushHunter08]
    #8966441 - 09/22/08 01:02 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

You'd do well to stop being so confrontational. Nobody here is trying to make you look like an idiot, stop taking the internet so seriously. If you're wrong, you're wrong, if you're not, you're not. You don't need to come stir up a big shitstorm trying to defend something you have no empirical evidence of while acting like we all just called you a dumbass.

Nobody did anything like that. I've been told I come across as condescending before in this forum, and I try not to sound that way, but I type in a style that emphasizes completeness and clarity. I go into a lot of detail when I have the knowledge and expertise to do so, and when I don't know what's going on, I say so. I'm not here to be nice, I'm here to give what knowledge I do have back to those who will accept it.

I do my best to provide the most accurate information I can given what I know, and that's it.

To return to topic, there's no empirical evidence of that. I know RR's word is regarded as Holy Gospel around here, and I do respect what he shares, but I have done my own independent research and have seen no empirical, reproducible data to accurately identify a correlation between fruitbody psilocybin content and harvest time.


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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: MushHunter08]
    #8966468 - 09/22/08 01:08 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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So by your logic Hallucinogenist If I were to eat 1 mushroom that weighed 5 grams vs five mushrooms that weighed one gram each I would trip the same??? :banghead:





No, by MY logic, if that mushroom had 10 mg of psilocybin, it doesn't matter if it's 1 or 5 grams, it's still 10 mg of psilocybin. 


Here, let me do the best I can do to paint a picture:
For simplicity's sake, we'll say a mushroom has 10mg of psilocybin.

If that mushroom is 1 gram, then it has a 10mg:1g ratio of psilocybin.  HOWEVER, if that mushroom grows to 5 grams, the psilocybin is spread out, resulting in 2mg:1g ratio of psilocybin.  So, it may seem to the simple-minded like it's lost potency, but math reveals, it's still 10mg of psilocybin in the damned mushroom.

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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Skeeblix]
    #8966473 - 09/22/08 01:10 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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You'd do well to stop being so confrontational. Nobody here is trying to make you look like an idiot, stop taking the internet so seriously. If you're wrong, you're wrong, if you're not, you're not. You don't need to come stir up a big shitstorm trying to defend something you have no empirical evidence of while acting like we all just called you a dumbass.

Nobody did anything like that. I've been told I come across as condescending before in this forum, and I try not to sound that way, but I type in a style that emphasizes completeness and clarity. I go into a lot of detail when I have the knowledge and expertise to do so, and when I don't know what's going on, I say so. I'm not here to be nice, I'm here to give what knowledge I do have back to those who will accept it.

I do my best to provide the most accurate information I can given what I know, and that's it.

To return to topic, there's no empirical evidence of that. I know RR's word is regarded as Holy Gospel around here, and I do respect what he shares, but I have done my own independent research and have seen no empirical, reproducible data to accurately identify a correlation between fruitbody psilocybin content and harvest time.




You are misunderstanding my attempt here Skeeblix. I truly could care less if anyone thinks I am a moron or not. What I do care about is misinformation. While your studies have not proven what I feel is true. I don't want a bunch of people running around saying "OH MY GOD, I just ate a 10 gram shroom and I am going to be tripping harder then anyone who ate the same amount of a smaller shroom with more active content then my giant monster shroom!" It just doesn't make sense....


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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Hallucinogenist]
    #8966477 - 09/22/08 01:10 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I should note that what I just said is EXACTLY what RR was saying.  In other words, RR was agreeing with Dave Thomas over there.

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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Hallucinogenist]
    #8966482 - 09/22/08 01:12 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

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So by your logic Hallucinogenist If I were to eat 1 mushroom that weighed 5 grams vs five mushrooms that weighed one gram each I would trip the same??? :banghead:





No, by MY logic, if that mushroom had 10 mg of psilocybin, it doesn't matter if it's 1 or 5 grams, it's still 10 mg of psilocybin. 


Here, let me do the best I can do to paint a picture:
For simplicity's sake, we'll say a mushroom has 10mg of psilocybin.

If that mushroom is 1 gram, then it has a 10mg:1g ratio of psilocybin.  HOWEVER, if that mushroom grows to 5 grams, the psilocybin is spread out, resulting in 2mg:1g ratio of psilocybin.  So, it may seem to the simple-minded like it's lost potency, but math reveals, it's still 10mg of psilocybin in the damned mushroom.




Ok then I volunteer you to eat a 5 gram shroom and then eat 5 one gram shrooms and you tell me what trip was better.


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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: MushHunter08]
    #8966484 - 09/22/08 01:13 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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MushHunter08 said:I don't want a bunch of people running around saying "OH MY GOD, I just ate a 10 gram shroom and I am going to be tripping harder then anyone who ate the same amount of a smaller shroom with more active content then my giant monster shroom!" It just doesn't make sense....




Okay, think for a minute...  if someone ate a 10 gram shroom, and someone ate the SAME amount (10 grams) of "a smaller shroom", that means they just ate MORE THAN ONE SHROOM and that gives the illusion of more potency.

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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Hallucinogenist]
    #8966493 - 09/22/08 01:15 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

"Okay, think for a minute...  if someone ate a 10 gram shroom, and someone ate the SAME amount (10 grams) of "a smaller shroom", that means they just ate MORE THAN ONE SHROOM and that gives the illusion of more potency."

Um no, smaller shrooms w/ more active material will not give the illusion that they are more potent. They will seem more potent because they are....


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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Hallucinogenist]
    #8966494 - 09/22/08 01:16 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

It's not because the smaller were more potent, it's because you ate a larger QUANTITY OF MUSHROOMS!!!  I'll do that, but I gaurantee you, if you ate a 1 gram shroom, and a 5 gram shroom from the same flush, it'd give you the same exact high.  Why?  Because they have the same amount of psilocybin. 

You're not talking about the potency. 

Potency decrease based on size/age would imply that eating just THAT ONE SHROOM before it fully matures will give you a harder trip.  No, it's the fact that you're gonna eat 4 more with it to make up for the lack of mass.

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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Hallucinogenist]
    #8966497 - 09/22/08 01:17 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

No, it's because you just ate 5 mushrooms instead of 1.  THAT'S the point.  You're not talking about potency, you're defending quantity, and NO ONE's arguing that 5 mushrooms trips harder than one.

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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Hallucinogenist]
    #8966504 - 09/22/08 01:20 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

You'll have a higher volume of psilocybin PER GRAM in smaller mushrooms, but you'll have an equal volume PER MUSHROOM in smaller mushrooms.

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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Hallucinogenist]
    #8966521 - 09/22/08 01:25 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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No, it's because you just ate 5 mushrooms instead of 1.  THAT'S the point.  You're not talking about potency, you're defending quantity, and NO ONE's arguing that 5 mushrooms trips harder than one.




What if that one mushroom weighed 5 grams? Wouldn't it be exactly the same potency as the 5 if your thinking holds true. This is what I am disagreeing with. Like I said, if you are so sure of your thinking then why don't you eat a 5 gram shroom and trip. Then eat 5 one gram shrooms since the mass is exactly the same, and you tell me what trip was better.


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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: MushHunter08]
    #8966527 - 09/22/08 01:28 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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MushHunter08 said:
Quote:

paradis said:
I would like you to prove that they do.




Ok here ya go for starters.

Quote:

Dr. Penguin said:
The reason that 'around the time the veil breaks' is the best time to harvest is because the ratio of psilocybin to fruit body mass is the greatest. After that time the amount of psilocybin remains the same but the mushroom gains more mass, ie: less potent per gram.




And a quote from RR...

"Smaller fruits have more active product per gram than larger ones, so try to produce larger flushes of smaller fruits."

Do you want me to continue?




Continue what?

All you did was post something some dude named "Mr. Penguin" said, and pasted an opinion of RR.

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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: MushHunter08]
    #8966533 - 09/22/08 01:31 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

No, my thinking holds that the 5 gram mushroom and ONE OF THE FIVE other mushrooms because they both contain the same amount of psilocybin.  The 5 one-gram mushrooms will be harder than the 1 five-gram mushroom, because you're eating 5 whole mushrooms instead of 1.

You're not trippin harder because of the potency, you're tripping harder because you're eating more mushrooms.

It's not losing psilocybin because it's growing larger, the psilocybin is just spread out through a larger area due to the mushroom's mass increase.

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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: John Nada]
    #8966536 - 09/22/08 01:32 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

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Quote:

paradis said:
I would like you to prove that they do.




Ok here ya go for starters.

Quote:

Dr. Penguin said:
The reason that 'around the time the veil breaks' is the best time to harvest is because the ratio of psilocybin to fruit body mass is the greatest. After that time the amount of psilocybin remains the same but the mushroom gains more mass, ie: less potent per gram.




And a quote from RR...

"Smaller fruits have more active product per gram than larger ones, so try to produce larger flushes of smaller fruits."

Do you want me to continue?




Continue what?

All you did was post something some dude named "Mr. Penguin" said, and pasted an opinion of RR.




You fail at reading. Now I am being confrontational. :hehehe:


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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Hallucinogenist]
    #8966545 - 09/22/08 01:35 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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No, my thinking holds that the 5 gram mushroom and ONE OF THE FIVE other mushrooms because they both contain the same amount of psilocybin.  The 5 one-gram mushrooms will be harder than the 1 five-gram mushroom, because you're eating 5 whole mushrooms instead of 1.

You're not trippin harder because of the potency, you're tripping harder because you're eating more mushrooms.

It's not losing psilocybin because it's growing larger, the psilocybin is just spread out through a larger area due to the mushroom's mass increase.




You and I are going to have to agree to disagree here. I'm just wasting key strokes at this point.


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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: MushHunter08]
    #8966552 - 09/22/08 01:37 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Obviously we will-- even the people you're quoting to defend your point, their statements agree with me.

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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Hallucinogenist]
    #8966565 - 09/22/08 01:42 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I dont agree with you

either of you...

I want to be confrontational too

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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8966570 - 09/22/08 01:44 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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I dont agree with you

either of you...

I want to be confrontational too




Oh yeah, well I disagree with your disagreeing with both of us disagreeing with each other.


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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: MushHunter08]
    #8966572 - 09/22/08 01:44 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

You're both wrong for this.

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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: MushHunter08]
    #8966573 - 09/22/08 01:44 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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You and I are going to have to agree to disagree here. I'm just wasting key strokes at this point.




paradis made a pretty simple request, while RR knows his shit,
paradis requested an off site link backing up the claim,
something a little more scientific than RR said... it'll let you
waste a few keystrokes in a more positive direction

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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: MushHunter08]
    #8966575 - 09/22/08 01:46 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
I dont agree with you

either of you...

I want to be confrontational too




Oh yeah, well I disagree with your disagreeing with both of us disagreeing with each other.




I'm having a difficult time agreeing with it too

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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Hallucinogenist]
    #8966582 - 09/22/08 01:47 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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You're both wrong for this.





Paridis' challenge can be on you as well, if you think you can handle it

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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8966583 - 09/22/08 01:47 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

You're wrong.

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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Hallucinogenist]
    #8966591 - 09/22/08 01:50 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I thought I was wrong once, I was mistaken

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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8966597 - 09/22/08 01:53 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Hence, you were wrong twice.  ^_^

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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Hallucinogenist]
    #8966602 - 09/22/08 01:56 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

you aint found that link yet?

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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8966607 - 09/22/08 01:59 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

This got funny now...Keep it goin! :thumbup:


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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Krez]
    #8966612 - 09/22/08 02:01 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

No it isn't.

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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Hallucinogenist]
    #8966625 - 09/22/08 02:04 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Look nobody is gonna say the other is right...Im assuming there is no scientific proof to support either claim because nothing was posted.  Some people would agree and others will disagree.  Lets just call it a night!


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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8966629 - 09/22/08 02:06 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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MushHunter08 said:
You and I are going to have to agree to disagree here. I'm just wasting key strokes at this point.




paradis made a pretty simple request, while RR knows his shit,
paradis requested an off site link backing up the claim,
something a little more scientific than RR said... it'll let you
waste a few keystrokes in a more positive direction




if you insist.

http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=16311

There really is no simple answer to this question. As I am sure you already know Prisoner#1. Since you admited that RR knows his shit though, I am confused as to why you would need an offsite link for verification of potency determination.


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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8966639 - 09/22/08 02:09 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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you aint found that link yet?




Sorry I was wasting keystrokes for your benefit and the benefit of others on this website. Thanks Prisoner#1 for caring so much about misinformation. Since well the shroomery prides itself on ----->

"We help spread accurate information about magic mushrooms so people can make informed decisions about what they put in their bodies. You can find out the effects of shrooms and read trip reports, learn how to grow mushrooms and get mushroom recipes, browse through the gallery and hang out on our message board, or check out the site map for everything the Shroomery has to offer."

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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: MushHunter08]
    #8966644 - 09/22/08 02:10 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Because he didn't say the potency decreases.

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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: MushHunter08]
    #8966653 - 09/22/08 02:13 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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if you insist.

http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=16311

There really is no simple answer to this question. As I am sure you already know Prisoner#1. Since you admited that RR knows his shit though, I am confused as to why you would need an offsite link for verification of potency determination.





Please quote the parts in that link that you feel apply here

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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: MushHunter08]
    #8966687 - 09/22/08 02:22 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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if you insist.
http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=16311

There really is no simple answer to this question.




actually this was by request of Paradis, apparently he want
you guys to quit with the arguing, I appreciate your efforts
and I'm sure everyone interested in this does as well

as for RR I have no idea if he's ever done a quantitative
assay during different stages of fruiting but it is accepted
by and large that potency/weight is a factor, allowing the
mushrooms to mature until the veil breaks but prior to
dropping spores allows for more accurate dosage than
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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8966928 - 09/22/08 04:28 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

wow a couple of you are ridiculous.

GENETICS ARE KEY,

BUT

around when the viel starts tearing the mushrooms psiloybin to mass ratio is at its best. additional growing will add extra psiloybin but your ratio of acives to mass arent as good.


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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: tripchip]
    #8967049 - 09/22/08 06:22 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

lol, this is funny.  I just wanted some opinions because I have no idea.  And I couldn't find the answer to my specific question in old posts. Thanks for the responses though.

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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: mrbfrog]
    #8976236 - 09/23/08 11:26 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Wow.  And I thought car forums were bad for useless arguments.

I'm gonna inject 10mg's of psilocybin into a chocolate munchkin thus proving that my one munchkin is more potent than 20 shrooms each with .049mg's of psilocybin.

Until you can isolate JUST HOW MUCH psilocybin each individual mushroom produces, you will never have valid, useful, and repeatable scientific data to support the argument on either end of the spectrum.  Who is to even say that two identical strain mushrooms of the identical size from the same mycellium are going to produce EXACTLY the same amount of psilocybin?  Has anyone even ever conducted that test?

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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: NosLaser]
    #8976375 - 09/23/08 11:50 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Man you shouldve let this thread die!  lol


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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: NosLaser]
    #8976406 - 09/23/08 11:56 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Wow.  And I thought car forums were bad for useless arguments.


Until you can isolate JUST HOW MUCH psilocybin each individual mushroom produces, you will never have valid, useful, and repeatable scientific data to support the argument on either end of the spectrum.  Who is to even say that two identical strain mushrooms of the identical size from the same mycellium are going to produce EXACTLY the same amount of psilocybin?  Has anyone even ever conducted that test?




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