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mrbfrog
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old shrooms loose potency??
#8965693 - 09/21/08 09:21 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have a friend that use to grow. He said that once he left the shrooms to grow for quite a while, kind of forgot about them. When he did check he had a bunch of huge shrooms. But when they were eaten they didnt produce any affect. I was wondering if anyone else has run into this or heard about it. Is it true???
I am not really asking about the size. These were apparently harvested long after their veils broke. thanks
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Krez
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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: mrbfrog]
#8965761 - 09/21/08 09:35 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Potency is genetic, they shouldve still done something. You can pick the whenever and it will not affect potency.
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EM455
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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: mrbfrog]
#8965860 - 09/21/08 10:00 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've heard mushrooms have to be harvested before their caps open completely upwards and before they drop spores...but i have no idea why that is (i've wanted to ask for a while but forgot). I'm not sure it's true either but it's what i've read. :S sorry i know i'm not helping a lot...i'd like to know the answer to that too
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EM455
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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: EM455]
#8965876 - 09/21/08 10:06 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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oh sorry i hadn't seen Krez' answer...it's probably more logical than what i've read
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theratdude64
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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: EM455]
#8965907 - 09/21/08 10:14 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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What it sounds like was that they'll lose potency around the time they drop spores and then few days later rot out. No personal expirence with that, but read several places that say they go downhill after optimal picking time
Edited by theratdude64 (09/25/08 09:54 PM)
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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: theratdude64]
#8965937 - 09/21/08 10:23 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, I don't know, but from what I've read, that's hard to believe. Losing spores shouldn't effect the hallucinagenic effects. Based on what I've read, the spores don't contain Psilocibin.
I could be wrong, but hear me out.
From what I've read, mushrooms aren't illegal, it's the psilocibin inside that's technically illegal, and that's why we're allowed to possess spores--they contain none.
Therefore, if they contain none, it shouldn't effect their potency.
Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm just giving my two cents.
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Jean-Luc Picard
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the optimal time to pick is right after the veil breaks, after that they just swell with water and slowly lose potency...but not completely, and yes, they will rot out after a while.
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Krez
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They dont lose potency by growing bigger or dropping spores!
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Dr. Penguin
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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Krez]
#8966029 - 09/21/08 10:44 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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The reason that 'around the time the veil breaks' is the best time to harvest is because the ratio of psilocybin to fruit body mass is the greatest. After that time the amount of psilocybin remains the same but the mushroom gains more mass, ie: less potent per gram.
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theratdude64
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Quote:
agmotes165 said: the optimal time to pick is right after the veil breaks, after that they just swell with water and slowly lose potency...but not completely, and yes, they will rot out after a while.
Yeah, not spore related
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Dr. Penguin said: The reason that 'around the time the veil breaks' is the best time to harvest is because the ratio of psilocybin to fruit body mass is the greatest. After that time the amount of psilocybin remains the same but the mushroom gains more mass, ie: less potent per gram.
Ahh, Makes sense
Edited by theratdude64 (09/25/08 09:53 PM)
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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: theratdude64]
#8966109 - 09/21/08 11:14 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Agreed.
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Skeeblix
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Spores are better used on prints than being barfed all over the inside of the FC. It's mostly just a pain in the ass to clean them up, so it's easier to harvest pre-sporulation to avoid the mess of dark purple spores.
Potency per gram based on harvest time is a debatable issue. There's no real data outside of subjective experiences, so I wouldn't bother worrying about it too much. Pick them before they make a mess or turn slimy with rot.
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MushHunter08
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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Krez]
#8966231 - 09/22/08 12:02 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Krez said: They dont lose potency by growing bigger or dropping spores!
Prove they don't then.
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Krez
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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: MushHunter08]
#8966234 - 09/22/08 12:04 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dr Penguin already did for me. Like he said the gain more mass but loose no potency.
-------------------- Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try. (Homer) Look, the thing about my family is there's five of us. Marge, Bart, Girl Bart, the one who doesn't talk, and the fat guy. How I loathe him. (Drunk Homer) All the ways you wish you could be, that's me. I look like you wanna look, I fuck like you wanna fuck, I am smart, capable, and most importantly, I am free in all the ways that you are not. (Tyler Durden)
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MushHunter08
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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Krez]
#8966269 - 09/22/08 12:14 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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"ie: less potent per gram."
You missed this part.
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apostle11
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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Dr. Penguin]
#8966293 - 09/22/08 12:21 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dr. Penguin said: The reason that 'around the time the veil breaks' is the best time to harvest is because the ratio of psilocybin to fruit body mass is the greatest. After that time the amount of psilocybin remains the same but the mushroom gains more mass, ie: less potent per gram.
True stuff
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John Nada
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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Dr. Penguin]
#8966305 - 09/22/08 12:24 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Dr. Penguin said: The reason that 'around the time the veil breaks' is the best time to harvest is because the ratio of psilocybin to fruit body mass is the greatest. After that time the amount of psilocybin remains the same but the mushroom gains more mass, ie: less potent per gram.
Where's the science behind this? Can you post any actual references?
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Skeeblix
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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: MushHunter08]
#8966306 - 09/22/08 12:25 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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The amount of actives is consistent, nothing is lost. You gain a marginal amount of extra water and a slight increase in actual fruitbody tissue.
Harvest them before they make a mess, and before they start to rot.
You noobs really need to stop being so jumpy and defensive every time you hear from another hundred post noob that heat or time or light or whatever the hell is going to affect potency. Honestly, more flame wars break out because you guys refuse to listen to people who know better, thinking someone else's word over the internet is the Holy Grail of cultivation.
Take everything with a grain of salt. Some people don't do it on purpose, but there is a spread of misinformation that is unavoidable when some people feel the need to flex their e-peens and act as though because they have a PF grow under their belt that they're the second coming of Stamets. Reliable information is easy enough to find. It's usually the most common way of doing things. When you see a lot of something, chances are it works, but just because you've seen a couple threads that say that smearing your cakes with blue dye improves potency doesn't mean you should just right away defend it as fact whenever someone says anything differently.
Just my two cents, I see a lot of fights going on lately by guys who know relatively little about all this stuff. Stop being so pissy and defensive and maybe listen to people who are only trying to help, and even then, make sure you're taking in the right advice. If you're doing enough reading, the really helpful stuff becomes obvious.
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MushHunter08
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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: Skeeblix]
#8966340 - 09/22/08 12:34 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Skeeblix said: The amount of actives is consistent, nothing is lost. You gain a marginal amount of extra water and a slight increase in actual fruitbody tissue.
Harvest them before they make a mess, and before they start to rot.
You noobs really need to stop being so jumpy and defensive every time you hear from another hundred post noob that heat or time or light or whatever the hell is going to affect potency. Honestly, more flame wars break out because you guys refuse to listen to people who know better, thinking someone else's word over the internet is the Holy Grail of cultivation.
Take everything with a grain of salt. Some people don't do it on purpose, but there is a spread of misinformation that is unavoidable when some people feel the need to flex their e-peens and act as though because they have a PF grow under their belt that they're the second coming of Stamets. Reliable information is easy enough to find. It's usually the most common way of doing things. When you see a lot of something, chances are it works, but just because you've seen a couple threads that say that smearing your cakes with blue dye improves potency doesn't mean you should just right away defend it as fact whenever someone says anything differently.
Just my two cents, I see a lot of fights going on lately by guys who know relatively little about all this stuff. Stop being so pissy and defensive and maybe listen to people who are only trying to help, and even then, make sure you're taking in the right advice. If you're doing enough reading, the really helpful stuff becomes obvious.
Here let me get your soap box for you sir.....
I would still like someone to prove that over mature mushrooms don't loose any of their potency per mass.
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John Nada
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Re: old shrooms loose potency?? [Re: MushHunter08]
#8966366 - 09/22/08 12:38 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would like you to prove that they do.
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