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 Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason"  [Re: Adamist]
#899284 - 09/22/02 12:59 PM (22 years, 2 days ago) |
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Of course not. That is the beauty of all mystical powers. They "work" but cannot be shown to "work".
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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: Swami]
#899434 - 09/22/02 02:17 PM (22 years, 2 days ago) |
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They can be experienced.
Think of it as lightning. We obviously know lightning exists. Everyone has heard of it, or atleast seen it. But lightning never strikes in the same place twice (it is a rare occurance otherwise). And forgive my ignorance, but i dont think anyone can re-create actual lightning.
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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: Swami]
#899462 - 09/22/02 02:28 PM (22 years, 2 days ago) |
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In reply to:
That is the beauty of all mystical powers. They "work" but cannot be shown to "work".
Just because an experience happens spontaneously and cannot be shown on demand, doesn't mean that this experience is false.
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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: thePatient]
#899464 - 09/22/02 02:28 PM (22 years, 2 days ago) |
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In reply to:
Think of it as lightning. We obviously know lightning exists. Everyone has heard of it, or atleast seen it. But lightning never strikes in the same place twice (it is a rare occurance otherwise). And forgive my ignorance, but i dont think anyone can re-create actual lightning.
the difference between lightning and "supernatural" happenings being that indeed almost everyone can and has witnessed lightning at some point or another, and we can attract lightning and measure its force and study it. objectively
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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: Adamist]
#899661 - 09/22/02 03:51 PM (22 years, 2 days ago) |
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An experience is not a mystical power.
Why are shows like "Crossing Over" believed by so many when the host is so phony and cannot stand up to scrutiny?
Maybe because people want SO BADLY to believe in life after death (or other unprovens) that they will overlook his obvious flaws and discrepancies. This is the type of crap that I am so Adamant about.
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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: Swami]
#899703 - 09/22/02 04:17 PM (22 years, 2 days ago) |
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In reply to:
Why are shows like "Crossing Over" believed by so many when the host is so phony and cannot stand up to scrutiny?
I don't know whether John Edwards is "real" or not; I've only watched his show a few times... But I did see him on Larry King Live about a week ago, he was taking calls from viewers and "connecting" with them over the phone. Maybe the callers were set up beforehand, but every caller I saw said that he was accurate...
So what kind of "scrutiny" are you talking about? Why don't you call him or go to one of his shows and find out for yourself if he can do what he claims? What "evidence" are you judging him on?
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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: Adamist]
#899708 - 09/22/02 04:21 PM (22 years, 2 days ago) |
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I called miss cleo about a year ago and she sucked major bum.
but I played along with her.
apparently she's not psychic enough to detect sarcasm. aw.
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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: Albino_Jesus]
#899735 - 09/22/02 04:34 PM (22 years, 2 days ago) |
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Are you implying that because of one experience with a fraudulent psychic, you disregard all self-proclaimed "psychics" as being false?
Maybe you would go on TV and try and make as much money as you could off of an ability such as psychism, but some of us, such as I, would rather hide these abilities from the general public, instead revealing them to only trusted friends.
I'm not telling you that you should believe in "psychism", but I don't think you should close yourself off to the possibility that there may be people with psychic abilities out there.
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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: Adamist]
#899890 - 09/22/02 06:06 PM (22 years, 2 days ago) |
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In reply to:
Are you implying that because of one experience with a fraudulent psychic, you disregard all self-proclaimed "psychics" as being false?
did I say that?
please read the rest of my posts in this thread.
thank you.
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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: Swami]
#900577 - 09/22/02 10:55 PM (22 years, 1 day ago) |
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i would repsectfully diagree, the "theory" of thermodynamics, has been proven, this is simply that th eypothesis of some entity has been shown to be repeatable in teh amcro world. Please do some reasearch of quantum mechnaics, the theory of relativity and bhor's principle. If light a wave or a particle.
it is both! scientist have performe dexperiments that show it is a particle and they have shown that it is a wave. read einstein,, bohr and hawkings rather than espousing rubbish.
does a ball dropped on a moving train have horizontal velocity? it is a realtiev question is it directed at the person who droppe dthe ball on the train or is it relative to someone watching from a hillside ?
Believe me i ahd similar thought slike you until i experienced a very 'mystical" experience, that i care not shar ewith you at this time as you seem to be one who labels people as verbalizing bullshit, if you yourself have not experienced it.
i belive that you , whil ebeing a skeptic, do believe, but have not had this experiences,; I do belive that you would like to experience these things.
My suggestion, take a trip to teh amazon a serach out ayachuasa and syrian rue
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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: Swami]
#900581 - 09/22/02 10:57 PM (22 years, 1 day ago) |
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wrong again swami, read about "pet" scans and Spect" scans and these scans can determine hom emuch neuronal activity is being 'fired up' at anyone one time. even EEg can suggest this phenomenom
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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: Swami]
#900584 - 09/22/02 11:00 PM (22 years, 1 day ago) |
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another bullshit statement, your biceps and triceps fire atthe same time very frequently, how else could you hold an object away from your body with your arm half supinated and half pronated
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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: Swami]
#900596 - 09/22/02 11:06 PM (22 years, 1 day ago) |
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and finally, there have been numerous traumatic reports of people who have had bullets, or other objects that have entered the brain and the person has lost no function what so ever, no motor loss, no parasympathetic or sympathetic loss nor emotional or sexual dysnfunction. so if that brain was integral to your cylinder theory then it would suggest that th eperson would have lost the ability to perform some function because of the los sof brain tissue.
terrence mckenna draws an analogy to a hologram, the brain is like a holgram especially with respect to memory. you can knock out some brain tissue and the brain can still mainatin memory.
and by the way an MRi has nothing what so every to do with the baility to show whether a portion of a brain is functioning, my example of a spect or pet scan has shown taht the brain does not utilize all of its capacity.
find out who you are talking to rather than speaking from rhetoric, dear
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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: Albino_Jesus]
#900600 - 09/22/02 11:08 PM (22 years, 1 day ago) |
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there are many different types of seizures, all seizure do not effect all parts of the brain, grand mal, petit mal, absence, some effect motor function from teh cortex , some effect emotion, and place people into a type of memory loss bu they are still able to move. kinda like sleep walking
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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: thePatient]
#900604 - 09/22/02 11:10 PM (22 years, 1 day ago) |
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lightning hunters can set up conditions to cause lightning to strike in a particular place
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 Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: llib]
#900611 - 09/22/02 11:12 PM (22 years, 1 day ago) |
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thank you for your knowledge. i have never even heard of lightning hunters.
much appreciated.
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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: llib]
#900620 - 09/22/02 11:16 PM (22 years, 1 day ago) |
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why are you refuting points no one has made?
please try to understand what people are saying before you agree with them 
also, please give an example of a region of the brain which is never used for anything.
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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: llib]
#900621 - 09/22/02 11:17 PM (22 years, 1 day ago) |
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an din clonclusion, i will say that i ahve had 20 year sof scientific endeavors including taking evry portion of thebody apart, legally:), including every component of the brain. I should be the skeptic and I am not. This is base dupon an experience that i have had . thes etypes of experiences are becoming more frequent. ino I ca not explain them. but my friends who were around em at teh time have obsrved the results of some premonitions that i have. i am not a psychic nor profess to be one. but certain energy fields do allow for a convincing probability that something is going to happen.
I 'felt" last tuesday that isidore which was a 80 mile any hour hurricane near jaimaca woul dturn out to be one of the most major hurricanes to hit the gulf of mexico. I an tell you where it wil hit but i gravely disturbed about galveston and new orleans, yet i live on the west coast of florida.
I could be wrong but watch as the storm heads north
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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: llib]
#900625 - 09/22/02 11:19 PM (22 years, 1 day ago) |
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also - are you dyslexic or just dumb?
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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: Albino_Jesus]
#900639 - 09/22/02 11:24 PM (22 years, 1 day ago) |
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hes seems knowledgable and intelligent to me. maybe his fingers are too fat, and mash keys that dont need to be mashed. Im just kidding. 
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