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OfflineCalen
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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: thePatient]
    #896443 - 09/21/02 12:49 AM (19 years, 7 days ago)

I have first-hand experience with that. I have a dooser on my hands at the moment.  A near 4-month+ project built step by step is coming down to a string and a piece of jewelry.  Sorry the cryptics.

Truth, it's a cosmic joke.  That's why you can't reason with it.  :laugh::D


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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: thePatient]
    #896446 - 09/21/02 12:51 AM (19 years, 7 days ago)

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The love i feel for certain people is very much real. As real as you and I. But i cant prove this love to you, because you are not me. You are not experiencing this experience i am having.





you're talking about your own emotions, not something you're attempting to present as objective truth. emotions are subjective reality in it's purest form, and they don't matter.


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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #896449 - 09/21/02 12:53 AM (19 years, 7 days ago)

Emotions don't matter?

No offense....... but you are a robot, aren't you?


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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: Swami]
    #896450 - 09/21/02 12:53 AM (19 years, 7 days ago)

I meant no offense. It was just a comment. It was not my intension to enhance my  weak argument. You just reminded me of a robot saying "Does not compute! Does not compute!" or even "Danger Will Robinson! Danger!"

BTW, thank you for calling my argument weak. It means a lot coming from "The GREAT Swami"  :shocked: One word. Haughty. 


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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: Adamist]
    #896452 - 09/21/02 12:54 AM (19 years, 7 days ago)

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Sometimes, when I'm feeling especially intuitive, my mind can pick up on what people are going to say before they say it. Right when their brains send the signals to say, I can "pick up" on these signals, before they put the thoughts into words. It's happened many times, with a few close friends...




could it just be that you know your friends so well that you've gotten to the point that you can subconsciously see (through subconscious logic and reason) where they're going with a thought before they've spoken it? can it be determined that this is the case or that it is in fact telepathy? does the fact that it only happens with "a few close friends" and not strangers point a finger at either?


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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #896459 - 09/21/02 12:56 AM (19 years, 7 days ago)

I've considered the possibility, but the fact that sometimes they are not even talking about anything related to the next topic of discussion inclines me to believe that I am picking up on what they are thinking.


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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: thePatient]
    #896462 - 09/21/02 12:57 AM (19 years, 7 days ago)

ah. so you knew an Ocean-going sailor from back then, and he told you he knew the Earth wasn't flat?

Yes, I was that sailor and reincarnated. This was based on OBSERVATION and did not need to be passed down. The could SEE the masts of tall ships appearing before the hull.


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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: Adamist]
    #896465 - 09/21/02 12:59 AM (19 years, 7 days ago)

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I've considered the possibility, but the fact that sometimes they are not even talking about anything related to the next topic of discussion inclines me to believe that I am picking up on what they are thinking. 





it's happened to me as well, but out of all the times you've talked to these close friends, what are the odds that occasionally you'll think the same thing at the same time? :smile:
I see it as inevitable that these things will happen
like "seeing" things in dreams before they happen.
how many times did you dream of something that didn't happen?
how many times did you not know what your friend was thinking?


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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #896466 - 09/21/02 12:59 AM (19 years, 7 days ago)

if it actually happened to myself repeatedly, I'd say I have personal evidence and I'd pursue evidence that I could show to others.
I don't believe telepathy exists, because it has never been shown to be true in tests. I believe that anyone who pushes telepathy as a reality is either lying to themselves or lying to everyone else.


I suppose if you're going to rely on a third-party to verify your beliefs, that doesn't say much does it?

if a real psychic ever existed, don't you think he/she'd have gotten loads of publicity and proved it? why are they all confined to $3 per minute 900-numbers and cheesy little shops in the crap part of town?

That's because 'they're' "baloney sandwiches smothered in cream cheese." But does that make every medium a phony?


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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: Adamist]
    #896469 - 09/21/02 01:01 AM (19 years, 7 days ago)

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Emotions don't matter?

No offense....... but you are a robot, aren't you?




they don't matter in the context of this discussion. we're talking about logic and reason and truth. emotions usually aren't based on reason and only apply to one person's internal existence and have nothing to do with the reality we all share.


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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: Calen]
    #896473 - 09/21/02 01:02 AM (19 years, 7 days ago)

But does that make every medium a phony?

If no medium can demonstrate otherwise, it certainly does.


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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: Swami]
    #896480 - 09/21/02 01:08 AM (19 years, 7 days ago)

If i was an actual psychic medium (one that could prove the existance of ESP and telepathy), i definitly would not broadcast it. Would you? I would keep my secret a secret, and tell no one. Otherwise, it would most likely ruin my everyday life.


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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: Calen]
    #896489 - 09/21/02 01:12 AM (19 years, 7 days ago)

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I suppose if you're going to rely on a third-party to verify your beliefs, that doesn't say much does it?




if no third party can verify such beliefs, how can they be determined truths? they must be dismissed as mere beliefs.


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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #896493 - 09/21/02 01:13 AM (19 years, 7 days ago)

I suppose if you're going to rely on a third-party to verify your beliefs, that doesn't say much does it?

I suppose those third-parties that wanted to verify the "cold-fusion" claims were pretty pathetic scientists....



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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: thePatient]
    #896498 - 09/21/02 01:17 AM (19 years, 7 days ago)

If i was an actual psychic medium (one that could prove the existance of ESP and telepathy), i definitly would not broadcast it. Would you? I would keep my secret a secret, and tell no one. Otherwise, it would most likely ruin my everyday life.

As you are not an actual medium, you cannot stae what they would or would not do.

As usual, this has been covered in g-r-e-a-t depth previously. We all know that humans have no egos and that those who can run a sub 3:50 mile do so in secret; just like the world's greatest basketball players all do so out of public view. Too bad we have to settle for the also-rans like Jordan and Johnson...


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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: Swami]
    #896499 - 09/21/02 01:17 AM (19 years, 7 days ago)

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I suppose if you're going to rely on a third-party to verify your beliefs, that doesn't say much does it?

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I suppose those third-parties that wanted to verify the "cold-fusion" claims were pretty pathetic scientists....
 




lololol
wit.
what this forum needs more of :smile:


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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: Swami]
    #896508 - 09/21/02 01:22 AM (19 years, 7 days ago)

I KNOW that if i proved myself a psychic medium, i would have scientific people like you always trying to run tests on me to make sure i wasnt a "fluke". You cant deny that you wouldnt swami, because you would deny the existence of an actual psychic medium until the end. Until you, yourself get to examine him/her.


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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: thePatient]
    #896513 - 09/21/02 01:24 AM (19 years, 7 days ago)

uh ohhhhhhhhh! ive questioned the great swami and albino jesus, so now ive lost my second mushroom. Not a big fall.


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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: thePatient]
    #896517 - 09/21/02 01:27 AM (19 years, 7 days ago)

Can you possibly come up with a weaker argument? Just when I thought it was not possible...

Instead of "reading my mind" and intentions as to what I will or won't accept, WHY YOU DON"T YOU CLEARLY DEMONSTRATE FIRST, then berate my close-mindedness. I have proposed several fair and unbiased challenges with no takers.

This is just another tired believer dodge. *yawn*


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Re: "Sometimes truth defies reason" [Re: thePatient]
    #896525 - 09/21/02 01:29 AM (19 years, 7 days ago)

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I KNOW that if i proved myself a psychic medium, i would have scientific people like you always trying to run tests on me to make sure i wasnt a "fluke". You cant deny that you wouldnt swami, because you would deny the existence of an actual psychic medium until the end. Until you, yourself get to examine him/her.





how, exactly, are you disagreeing with us with this statement?
of course you would be tested repeatedly. it's how science works. if we tested you repeatedly and couldn't find any reason to believe you were lying, we'd accept that you were truthful, then would follow an attempt to find out the mechanisms behind telepathy. this has been tried before to no avail.


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