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A difficulty, danger, expenses guide?
    #8956398 - 09/19/08 07:55 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Read this carefully because this idea is a real edgy one. It isn't exactly spoonfeeding, but if this existed today, things would be much different. Like always, I post my ideas to the general public to see if only I think it's a good idea or if it's a genuinely good idea.

I want to know what the demand or interest is in a difficulty guide for various chemicals. Things from PIHKAL, TIHKAL, etc. Difficulty is important to know because some people might not be aware that it would take you a solid year's worth of studying to synthesize chemical X, even if the description is only 2 paragraphs. Difficulty might also entail the amount of dedication one has to go through in obtaining the materials necessary. They also might not be aware that the synthesis is extremely dangerous.

So, without giving any sources or detailed baby steps on making the chemical, you'd have a guide that rated all these chemicals on a scale of 1 - 10 (or something different), for how difficult they were to create, how difficult it is to obtain any materials, how costly it is to create this from scratch, how dangerous it is legally and physically, and finally, whether it's more practical to obtain it otherwise.

For EXAMPLE, a fake chemical. Also this is not written well, because it's a goddamn example. Real entries would be written much better:
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3B-Z
Difficulty: 3
Easy to make. Not novice friendly, but 1 month of experience is sufficient for anyone of reasonable intelligence. Time needed: less than 3 days.

Materials: 0
You can purchase all materials and equipment with no suspicion. At the time of this writing, none of the materials considered difficult to obtain in any context.

Cost: Moderate
In total, this will cost you $150 assuming that you have none of the required materials.

Legality: Not very illegal
You aren't in much danger creating this. As of this date, nobody has ever been prosecuted for possessing this. This doesn't mean you shouldn't be cautious.

Danger: Moderate. (Toxic Vapors [or Explosive, or Flammable, etc.])
As always, nothing is ever foolproof. There are a few steps that produce Toxic Vapors that can be harmful when inhaled.

Practicality: Very high.
You're better off synthesizing this on your own.




Personally, I think this would be extremely useful for people willing to dive headfirst. It allows people to see what they're capable of doing and lets them behave more responsibly and intelligently.

NOTE: The fictional entry gave no detailed instructions on obtaining this or that, just a very general statement on how difficult it was to obtain the required materials or make the stuff.

So, what do you think? Would you use this? Would you contribute to it?


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Re: A difficulty, danger, expenses guide? [Re: seek]
    #8956404 - 09/19/08 07:57 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds like an excellent idea.  How would the contribution/getting a list of all possible manufacturable drugs work though?


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Re: A difficulty, danger, expenses guide? [Re: deCypher]
    #8956430 - 09/19/08 08:03 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Glad you think it's excellent.

Unfortunately, we can't just go around giving out detailed lists on every little thing needed. That would be too dangerous, even if it's extremely useful.

Think of this more like a guide that's as useful as the effort you put into it. So, if you go about learning organic chemistry (with links provided by the same people who maintain this mega list -- experts), and start from the easiest chemicals, it will become easier and easier to decipher what's needed for a synthesis. Understand? If you went straight to the most difficult, expensive chemical possible, you'd be flooded with many obscure and confusing symbols and terminology. Start at the easier ones (extraction and the like), and you will slowly learn all the terminology and all the useful and common chemicals, so that by the time you reach that extremely difficult chemical: you know exactly what to do.

Basically, I'm thinking we need to get some legit, experienced chemists, amateur or not (this shouldn't matter that much), working in private to categorize and compile this. It shouldn't be impossible to determine who's fit to contribute and who isn't.

Be aware that I'm not sure about the legality of posting easy to follow synthesis guides for this stuff. We have DMT teks, and DMT is about as illegal as you can get, so... hmmm.

Let's discuss this more and see what comes up.


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Re: A difficulty, danger, expenses guide? [Re: seek]
    #8956461 - 09/19/08 08:09 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

seek said:
Unfortunately, we can't just go around giving out detailed lists on every little thing needed. That would be too dangerous, even if it's extremely useful.




Why not?  It's ideas like these that promote censorship at the cost of freedom of information.


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Re: A difficulty, danger, expenses guide? [Re: deCypher]
    #8956465 - 09/19/08 08:09 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Double posting, heh.

Actually, all possible manufacturable drugs sounds like an extremely lofty goal. I think we should start with, and focus heavily on, providing this info for relevant and popular psychedelics, like the magical half dozen for example. We start with those, and work our way down over time.

Sounds much more doable.


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Re: A difficulty, danger, expenses guide? [Re: deCypher]
    #8956477 - 09/19/08 08:12 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Don't get me wrong -- I would personally love to do this. In fact, I wish such a resource existed, with pictures and videos and a vibrant, knowledgeable community surrounding it. The problem is that I just don't know the legality, or the risk associated with starting and promoting such a project.

But as I think more about it, with all the DMT teks out there, and all the shroom growing guides and videos... perhaps it isn't such a dangerous idea after all. Maybe the internet could use a resource like that. It will take a lot of effort, but the masses will be thankful.

Let's just hope it doesn't get shut the fuck down like overgrow did.


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Re: A difficulty, danger, expenses guide? [Re: seek]
    #8956489 - 09/19/08 08:15 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Freedom of speech for the win.  As far as I'm aware, how-to tutorials on drug manufacture and chemistry are not illegal.

Besides, you can't stop the signal.


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