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Re: The True Reason Pot Is Illegal-With Joe Rogan [Re: Crasher]
#8952540 - 09/18/08 11:28 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Multiple tabs motha fucka
Actually, other then that one day, I kinda like you, overall. The timing is funny, because I was about to change my poor rating of you to a 3, or a 4...maybe.
Because you don't drag drama everywhere. & You gave a funny reply to my other thread.
And I was just on your ratings page.... But then I felt immature and thought to myself... Fuck that, I'm not changing his first. Maybe I'll have to now.
As for the mix up I have no idea what's going on. Really I don't, I'll check my posts. I'm truly confused. I just woke up.
EDIT: Second poster has a grey avatar as well. But I swore that was yours, I didn't really look at the av closely though. I just read the comments and responded. Opps!
Edited by Psilocybeingzz (09/18/08 11:30 PM)
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Re: The True Reason Pot Is Illegal-With Joe Rogan [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
#8952565 - 09/18/08 11:35 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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You would like to think that DMT is released when you die but truth is it's not even a theory it's just an idea.
BTW pris I believe they have found DMT in your lungs blood and liver in small quantities along with the pineal. I doubt that it serves any mystical purpose but who knows.
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Re: The True Reason Pot Is Illegal-With Joe Rogan [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
#8952572 - 09/18/08 11:36 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I actually like you, I'm just enjoying an opportunity to have an interwebs nemesis.
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Re: The True Reason Pot Is Illegal-With Joe Rogan [Re: awesomebastard]
#8952590 - 09/18/08 11:38 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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It IS manufactured by the pineal gland. (Again, I could be wrong here, but THAT is my understanding. I mean, how else does the body produce it, considering what that gland already produces?)
& Theories are explanations of how laws work. Not all theories are "solid". And I suppose even Strassman hasn't developed a solid theory. It's more of an idea at this stage, yes.
But dammit, I like the word theorize. So I'm not altering my other post.
(oiy vey!, more editing, shoot me)
Edited by Psilocybeingzz (09/19/08 07:59 AM)
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Re: The True Reason Pot Is Illegal-With Joe Rogan [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
#8952628 - 09/18/08 11:44 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Psilocybeingzz said: Theories are explanations of how laws work. Not all theories are solid.
No theories are solid they have never been proven as law but have withstood rigourous testing by the scientific community and have yet to be proven false.
I dont think this idea falls anywhere close to this.
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Re: The True Reason Pot Is Illegal-With Joe Rogan [Re: awesomebastard]
#8953547 - 09/19/08 05:49 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I know the difference between a law and a theory. I think my shitty communication above it to blame for a misunderstanding.
I've had to explain multiple times that a law, never becomes a theory. Laws are laws. Laws of nature, are simply that, laws. Theories are casual explanations of how those laws work. Take the theory, of gravity for example, it's a theory, that has been proven. (so to speak) (By being tested over and over, and withstanding such testing. Still any day that could change. But it's a really slim chance considering how strong of a theory it is...) A "Theory"(common speak) or idea...(a hypothesis) is tested and can become "solid", a dumb way of explaining what you seem to know already. My bad I should have explained what in a better way. I blame mental fatigue.
And yes, any theory could be overturned I suppose.
But by solid, again that was a stupid way to say it, I meant it's not likely that theories like evolution or gravity will be overturned any time soon.
I've argued with so many creationists that I sometimes forget many people understand the difference already.
EDIT: Sorry for the use of common speech.
Edited by Psilocybeingzz (09/19/08 07:22 AM)
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Re: The True Reason Pot Is Illegal-With Joe Rogan [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
#8953626 - 09/19/08 06:29 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Psilocybeingzz said: I know the difference between a law and a theory.
Clearly, you don't.
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Re: The True Reason Pot Is Illegal-With Joe Rogan [Re: circularvortex]
#8953659 - 09/19/08 06:54 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok then.
What did I get wrong in the post above. Please educate me, instead of making a comment like that and then ducking out.
If you understand, and I was wrong, correct me. Please.
EDIT: Geez. I was sure I understood this, for years now. But maybe I could be wrong. So please fill me in if I'm so incorrect.
Gotta say though, what seems more confusing ATM is your statement.
Edited by Psilocybeingzz (09/19/08 07:01 AM)
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Re: The True Reason Pot Is Illegal-With Joe Rogan [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
#8953675 - 09/19/08 07:06 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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A quick trip to wikipedia illuminates:
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In scientific usage, a theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena. It originates from or is supported by rigorous observations in the natural world, or by experimental evidence (see scientific method). In this sense, a theory is a systematic and formalized expression of all previous observations, and is predictive, logical, and testable. In principle, scientific theories are always tentative, and subject to corrections, inclusion in a yet wider theory, or succession. Commonly, many more specific hypotheses may be logically bound together by just one or two theories. As a rule for use of the term, theories tend to deal with much broader sets of universals than do hypotheses, which ordinarily deal with much more specific sets of phenomena or specific applications of a theory.
Of several competing theories, one theory may be superior to another in terms of its approximation of reality. Scientific tests of the quality of a theory include its conformity to known facts and its ability to generate hypotheses with outcomes that would predict further testable facts.
A difference in usage of the word "fact" contributes to confusion in regard to the meaning of "theory". An appreciation of the various meanings of "fact" and "knowledge" can help to clarify an understanding of the meanings of "theory". (See also: relativity of knowledge, under Relativism.)
Strassman's ideas about DMT production are hypotheses, not theories.
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Re: The True Reason Pot Is Illegal-With Joe Rogan [Re: circularvortex]
#8953685 - 09/19/08 07:11 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Right I know that. And was a nut sack hair away from posting THIS....
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The word theory has many distinct meanings in different fields of knowledge, depending on their methodologies and the context of discussion.
In science a theory is a testable model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise verified through empirical observation. For the scientist, "theory" is not in any way an antonym of "fact". For example, it is a fact that an apple dropped on earth has been observed to fall towards the center of the planet, and the theories commonly used to describe and explain this behavior are Newton's theory of universal gravitation (see also gravitation), and the general theory of relativity.
In common usage, the word theory is often used to signify a conjecture, an opinion, a speculation, or a hypothesis. In this usage, a theory is not necessarily based on facts; in other words, it is not required to be consistent with true descriptions of reality. True descriptions of reality are more reflectively understood as statements which would be true independently of what people think about them.
According to the United States National Academy of Sciences,
Some scientific explanations are so well established that no new evidence is likely to alter them. The explanation becomes a scientific theory. In everyday language a theory means a hunch or speculation. Not so in science. In science, the word theory refers to a comprehensive explanation of an important feature of nature that is supported by many facts gathered over time. Theories also allow scientists to make predictions about as yet unobserved phenomena, [1]
Thanks for beating me to it. Also, I edited my post. I did know what I was talking about. But I did use common speech. How stupid of me...
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Re: The True Reason Pot Is Illegal-With Joe Rogan [Re: circularvortex]
#8953693 - 09/19/08 07:20 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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You obviously didn't read all of my posts. I said repeatedly that I shouldn't have originally phrased it the way I did.
Example.....
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Theories are explanations of how laws work. Not all theories are solid. And I suppose even Strassman hasn't developed a solid theory.(common speech) (I should have said hypothesis, and I know that, look what I said below...) It's more of an idea at this stage, yes.(A Hypothesis IS an idea) (I was sure this made that clear. That is was JUST an idea, again, I should have been more scientific, and specific.)
But dammit, I like the word theorize. (trying to be simple and use common speech) So I'm not altering my other post.
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Re: The True Reason Pot Is Illegal-With Joe Rogan [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
#8953702 - 09/19/08 07:28 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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So don't use the common speech (improper) usage of the word when you're talking about a scientist's hypotheses
Also, don't get all butt hurt when you were wrong
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Re: The True Reason Pot Is Illegal-With Joe Rogan [Re: circularvortex]
#8953717 - 09/19/08 07:37 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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How was I acting butt hurt at all? Man SOME you pubbers are always ready to assume/cause/complain about drama. GeeZus Christ. And you know what, that's not just a hypothesis. It's a theory!
The posts I made above show no evidence of "butt-hurtedness" whatsoever. And again, if I'm wrong, please correct me. What's so dramatic about asking to be corrected? When I talk with my friends IRL about millions of things, and I ask someone to correct me, it's simply that. A question. Cause hey, maybe I'm wrong.
Does the snowman help?
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Re: The True Reason Pot Is Illegal-With Joe Rogan [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
#8953721 - 09/19/08 07:41 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Man, that post was even more butt-hurt than your last one!
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Re: The True Reason Pot Is Illegal-With Joe Rogan [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
#8953724 - 09/19/08 07:42 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Its so good to have someone who is relatively famous who also holds such a confronting yet factually correct opinion.
I hope to god that my generation wisens up and realises that the war on drugs is infinitely more harmful to society than if drugs were decriminalized and regulated.
Ahh, i can dream.
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Re: The True Reason Pot Is Illegal-With Joe Rogan [Re: circularvortex]
#8953736 - 09/19/08 07:45 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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circularvortex said: Man, that post was even more butt-hurt than your last one!
Right... Ok.
Bye bye. No more wasting time with this back and forth. IMO you are confused. And BTW, that poster rocks, regardless of anything you say. THE END:D Yay! ____________________________________________________________________
And to TheNotorious.\ I agree 100%, and IMHO, the only thing that will change it is more political action. And more people "coming out of the closet". Now I'm not asking everyone to, do what you like/can handle. I know not everyone can be honest, even with their friends and family, or... yikes! Their boss
But for example, my mother knows that I do psychedelics once a year, or a little more. (on average) And sometimes wait 2 years between trips. Not that I have to, it just often works out that way these days. And I don't pop every hit of acid a friend offers. I have a dub that I've been saving since last fall. And soon I'll be dropping it.
She's well aware I use marijuana, and with all the positive news, that I sometimes bring up myself, but she often catches on her own, she's fine with it. And has fully accepted my use. Keep in mind I'm just now officially in my late 20's. But still an important step.
However, as you said, your(or our) generation. I hope we get it right. As important as it is to gain tolerance and even maybe outright acceptance from older people, focusing our efforts on our peers(many of which are quite ignorant when it comes to these subjects) is even more important. Again, IMHO, of course.
Fuck, typing is a fucking chore right now. But I really wanted to respond to your post.
Edited by Psilocybeingzz (09/19/08 07:55 AM)
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Re: The True Reason Pot Is Illegal-With Joe Rogan [Re: circularvortex]
#8953745 - 09/19/08 07:48 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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circularvortex said: Awesome pub posters.
Really, top notch!
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Re: The True Reason Pot Is Illegal-With Joe Rogan [Re: circularvortex]
#8953770 - 09/19/08 08:07 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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EDIT:
(Dammit snowman, BOUNCE!! Why does happen so often? I guess that snowman eats up a lot of bandwidth)
Edited by Psilocybeingzz (09/19/08 08:08 AM)
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Re: The True Reason Pot Is Illegal-With Joe Rogan [Re: awesomebastard]
#8953934 - 09/19/08 09:11 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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awesomebastard said: BTW pris I believe they have found DMT in your lungs blood and liver in small quantities along with the pineal. I doubt that it serves any mystical purpose but who knows.
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P#1 said: it's only speculated that the pineal gland produces DMT
strassmans research was dosing people with DMT, not bringing them to the point of death and testing for DMT or it's metabolites in the blood, these people reported what may have been described as being similar to near death experiences
others have reported alien abduction scenarios, you cant base your hypothesis that DMT is released at death or near death due to reports of experiences similar to what's discribed by someone using the substance
as for it being found in the body, doesnt Rogan make the claim that almost everything contain some amount of DMT?, well if I eat a fruit that contains DMT wouldnt it be easy to detect traces of it in the blood? as blood circulates through your body doesnt it make it to the tissues in your lungs and brain?
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Dr. Rick Strassman, while conducting DMT research in the 1990s at the University of New Mexico, advanced the theory that a massive release of DMT from the pineal gland prior to death or near death was the cause of the near death experience (NDE) phenomenon. Several of his test subjects reported NDE-like audio or visual hallucinations. His explanation for this was the possible lack of panic involved in the clinical setting and possible dosage differences between those administered and those encountered in actual NDE cases.
Several subjects also reported contact with 'other beings', alien like, insectoid or reptilian in nature, in highly advanced technological environments[6] where the subjects were 'carried', 'probed', 'tested', 'manipulated', 'dismembered', 'taught', 'loved' and even 'raped' by these 'beings'.
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Re: The True Reason Pot Is Illegal-With Joe Rogan [Re: Prisoner#1]
#8954073 - 09/19/08 09:56 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Awesome post Pris!!! Very informative.
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