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Re: The Rabid Soul [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #8954186 - 09/19/08 10:41 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Well, for something to be immortal, or eternal, in the physical sense it needs to be stable and the only way for something to be eternally stable is to be completely non-interacting. If that was the case, then we could never hope to measure it. In addition there would be no way for the soul to "see and feel" the body and vis-versa. It would be stuck in its own parallel soul-world with complete ignorance of ours.

If the soul can be measure, it must interact with a measurement apparatus. For a measurement apparatus (which encompass the person manipulating it) to obtain meaningful and interpretable data (this includes communication with a soul), then energy has to be transferred from the soul to the measurement apparatus for otherwise there cannot be a gain in information without a gain of entropy. More precisely, a measurement is an irreversible process. If this is the case, then the soul cannot be immortal.

Unless maybe it can perfectly repair itself but this cost energy and it would invariably leave a signature somewhere in the energy balance, which I think it doesn't; put someone in a well isolated room for some weeks, measure every energy input vs. output and I'm pretty sure it balances. And just to be sure, MacDougall's 21 grams experiment is very flawed, and some other experiment found the body to actually gain weight after death, in complete opposition to his conclusion.

Maybe it is an extremely subtle interaction, but then again it wouldn't be immortal.

Edited by deimya (09/19/08 10:43 AM)

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Re: The Rabid Soul [Re: deimya]
    #8956357 - 09/19/08 07:42 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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deimya said:
Maybe it is an extremely subtle interaction, but then again it wouldn't be immortal.




Souls could be the real "atoms".  Truly indivisible particles.

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Re: The Rabid Soul [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #8956865 - 09/19/08 10:15 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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gettinjiggywithit said:
You ran tests on how the functions of the physical body affect personality and behavior.

That's been proven true. No one here would dispute that.

What does it have to do with an immortal soul existing or not?

Where is the connection between an immortal soul that survives what happens to the physical body, and what happens to the physical body that can change personality and behavior?




Let's assume that the soul is real. What characteristics would it have? Would your soul retain your memories and personalities? That seems pretty unlikely, given that (as we have discussed) memory and personality is dependent on physical matter and is linked to your corporeal body. When your body dies, your memory and personality dies with it, and so your soul would have no features to distinguish it from any other person's (or cat's) soul. So what's left?


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Re: The Rabid Soul [Re: zouden]
    #8957582 - 09/20/08 02:25 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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So what's left?




Don't expect any real answer except for an equally vague substitution like, "your essence".


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Re: The Rabid Soul [Re: zouden]
    #8969834 - 09/22/08 07:57 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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zouden said:
So what's left?




The true "oneness" that everyone speaks about now....      :thumbup:


>^;;^<


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