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Re: more depraved than any other period of time? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #8938158 - 09/16/08 09:19 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Tell me, do you honestly believe that Jews in Nazi Germany and the !Kung in a pre-colonial Kalahari desert experience the same emotional landscape?

What Veritas said. :thumbup:

Just apply the correct pressure to any human and you will much more often then not get a depraved response. Anyone, anywhere.

Take the American Indians for example I doubt child abuse was rampant among them before the white fucks applied enough negative pressure to their psyches to elicit that kind of behavior.


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Re: more depraved than any other period of time? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8938161 - 09/16/08 09:20 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

There's simply no way we could know.



While no one knows the future we have plenty of examples from all of our past history.


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Re: more depraved than any other period of time? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #8938185 - 09/16/08 09:25 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Would you agree that we are working with the same neurological equipment?  After all, the human brain has been little altered in 200,000 years, so far as we can ascertain.  Is it not quite likely that all modern humans have a common basis for their emotionality, no matter how much their lifetime of specific emotional experience might vary?

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Re: more depraved than any other period of time? [Re: Veritas]
    #8938279 - 09/16/08 09:55 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Would you agree that we are working with the same neurological equipment?  After all, the human brain has been little altered in 200,000 years, so far as we can ascertain.  Is it not quite likely that all modern humans have a common basis for their emotionality, no matter how much their lifetime of specific emotional experience might vary?




It sounded like she allowed for the emotional baseline here:

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NiamhNyx said:
Sure, most people regardless of the particularity of thier place in the world will in thier lifetime experience "happiness," "sadness," or "anger," but these categories are so vague as to be utterly meaningless.




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Re: more depraved than any other period of time? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8938300 - 09/16/08 10:01 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

No, she was still speaking of specifics.  What I took as Icelander's point is that our general emotional makeup has not altered for better or worse since homo sapiens evolved.  We are not more or less depraved, but simply expressing the same capacity for depravity within altered mediums of expression.

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Re: more depraved than any other period of time? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8938307 - 09/16/08 10:03 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

IMO everything is an emotional baseline as we all share the same emotions. We may act them out according to our cultural programs but even that can easily change if our culture changes.


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Re: more depraved than any other period of time? [Re: Icelander]
    #8938330 - 09/16/08 10:10 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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IMO everything is an emotional baseline as we all share the same emotions.




I disagree. All an emotion is, really, is an experience, and while I admit that there are different, basic emotions, they aren't the "same" emotions. They aren't the same experiences, as they are fully unique to the specific individual and circumstance in which they have arisen. They will have different qualities, intensities, textures, etc. etc. etc. I think niam's post did a great job of highlighting this reality.


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Re: more depraved than any other period of time? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8938339 - 09/16/08 10:13 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

While no two snowflakes are the same we still shovel snow. This slight variation is the same as saying that no two people will ever say exactly the same things at the same time.

My point is that we are all basically emotionally alike as history has shown.


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Re: more depraved than any other period of time? [Re: Icelander]
    #8938353 - 09/16/08 10:18 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

History has shown this? :strokebeard:


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Re: more depraved than any other period of time? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8938368 - 09/16/08 10:22 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

As far as I can tell. The Romans seemed all too human as compared to our world today. Also the Mayans and the Egyptians. The culture looked physically different but they the power structure seems all too familiar. They all seemed to act in fear based ways just as we do today. They seemed to all hold the same human values and have the same human flaws.


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