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Going straight to HELL while TRIPPIN 2
#8917473 - 09/12/08 09:44 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Okay, first let me start off by saying that i am literally the least spiritual person i have ever met. I dont believe in any greater beings than the human mind. Even the good ole spirit molecule made me realize how utterly alone man is on earth. That being said:
When I am really getting into the groove on a trip, i ALWAYS project myself into my perfect world: the Sterotypical Christian "hell". You know, writhing masses of chained peoples screaming and fucking and flames. Cannot forget the flames. I Love "hell" and think of it as the coolest place one could exist. In Fact, I Wish that the christian mythology was true, so i could actually go to hell, but alas the closest i will ever get is in my mind while on psychedelics.
The best trips i have are ones in which i am a great demon, torturing the chained, writhing souls around me with a tool belt of flame weapons. When i crack the flame whips on their charred skin, I can see the flesh rip and the wound is instantly cauterized. I can hear the skin tear and and see the contorted faces of agony on my minions. Their jaws agape with excruciation.
I find that the best recipe for "hell" (for me) is to dose 300-440 mics of lsd, then an hour or two before the peak eat a few grams of cubies. Does the trick EVERY time. It always starts as seeing a single tortured soul fractalize into millions, then esctatic hilarity ensues.
Does anyone else enjoy the christian mythologys version of "hell" as much as i do?
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Re: Going straight to HELL while TRIPPIN [Re: shroomie_glen]
#8917503 - 09/12/08 09:54 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sounds a bit morbid to me, but I did see a series of iridescent images of a hell-like landscape when on good weed (it was pretty cool)...Barbarian warriors fighting on a barren landscape, followed by a spooky, morphing neo-gothic tower made of glowing red bricks that put off an evil aura (only CEV that really elicited an emotional reaction from me yet).
Ironically some of my favorite dreams are when I'm being hunted by or fighting demons or other enemies (the adrenaline rush adds a nice feel of excitement).
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Re: Going straight to HELL while TRIPPIN [Re: shroomie_glen]
#8917507 - 09/12/08 09:55 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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AHAHAHAHAHA wow you're fucked in the head my friend but cool post.
Usually when I start tripping that type of shit I deem it a "bad trip"
Actually now that I think about it, I've had dreams like that and they're pretty entertaining, but I only keep myself from shitting my pants by knowing that I'm all-powerful. I don't think I'd be able to handle it on psychedelics.
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Re: Going straight to HELL while TRIPPIN [Re: Irieforester]
#8917534 - 09/12/08 10:02 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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The wierd part is i'm not a sadistic person, I'm masochistic. i don't know where the sadism comes from while i'm trippin, prolly just the ole sub conscience. But still, its the only form of sadism i like. (Except those being performed on me
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Re: Going straight to HELL while TRIPPIN [Re: shroomie_glen]
#8917564 - 09/12/08 10:09 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sounds like you might enjoy some Datura.
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Re: Going straight to HELL while TRIPPIN [Re: shroomie_glen]
#8917577 - 09/12/08 10:12 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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i'm sorry, i really don't intend this as a personal attack, but you seemed completely wacked out.
i don't even know what else to say to that.
never seen anything demonic while tripping, ever. (well i did see demons, but i sense them with my mind, even when tripping hard i don't see them)
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Re: Going straight to HELL while TRIPPIN [Re: deCypher]
#8917578 - 09/12/08 10:12 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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datura? That stuff sounds outta control. I proly would like it.
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Re: Going straight to HELL while TRIPPIN [Re: shroomie_glen]
#8917597 - 09/12/08 10:15 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I used to have a friend that when trippin on some boomers would tell me of bleeding upsidedown crosses, pentagrams, and evil beings around him..
I was always kinda jealous
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Re: Going straight to HELL while TRIPPIN [Re: truekimbo2]
#8917607 - 09/12/08 10:17 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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truekimbo2 said: i'm sorry, i really don't intend this as a personal attack, but you seemed completely wacked out.
i don't even know what else to say to that.
Well you see, your world is probably based upon christian ideals, and such things scare/obliterate your psyche. To me, demons and gods are simply cartoon characters with cult followings, all for my exploitation.
As for the wacked out part..... I lead a normal life. Normal job, normal girlfriend. It IS for THESE reasons, that i must have my own alternate world to exist in whilst trippin.
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Re: Going straight to HELL while TRIPPIN [Re: why_not_me]
#8917625 - 09/12/08 10:20 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've taken 5 grams of cubies (highest psychedelic dose) and I didn't hallucinate liek that :*(
I'd like that.
but I'm religious, to a point; I believe in heaven and hell and to me that is good vs. evil. If I saw a demon I'd tweak the fuck out haha
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Re: Going straight to HELL while TRIPPIN [Re: Shroom_dancer]
#8917652 - 09/12/08 10:24 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shroom_dancer said: I've taken 5 grams of cubies (highest psychedelic dose) and I didn't hallucinate liek that :*(
I'd like that.
but I'm religious, to a point; I believe in heaven and hell and to me that is good vs. evil. If I saw a demon I'd tweak the fuck out haha
Like i said, it only happens when I'm feeling REALLY good. And i did give the recipe: 300-440 mics (2-7 hits of lsd, depending on quality) +a few grams of cubies, time it so that your coming up hard on the boomers while peaking on the L.
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Re: Going straight to HELL while TRIPPIN [Re: shroomie_glen]
#8917737 - 09/12/08 10:42 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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The best trips i have are ones in which i am a great demon, torturing the chained, writhing souls around me with a tool belt of flame weapons. When i crack the flame whips on their charred skin, I can see the flesh rip and the wound is instantly cauterized. I can hear the skin tear and and see the contorted faces of agony on my minions. Their jaws agape with excruciation.
i guess based on Christian ideals in the sense i don't like seeing anything hurt, or hurting anything. i don't think i could learn to enjoy seeing people in pain or causing them pain.
shit, i don't even like to see sad people.
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Re: Going straight to HELL while TRIPPIN [Re: truekimbo2]
#8917780 - 09/12/08 10:52 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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These arent people, though. They are a figment of my overworked imagination. I too, dislike seeing pain, as i said i'm a masochist, the only pain i like is that inflicted upon me.
The torturing aspect is not it in its entirety though, there is a lot of fornication and flames involved.
My "hell" Is 30% gruesome glory 30% flames 30% fornication 10% Unbridled power and recognization.
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Re: Going straight to HELL while TRIPPIN [Re: shroomie_glen]
#8917803 - 09/12/08 10:57 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Going straight to HELL while TRIPPIN [Re: shroomie_glen]
#8917815 - 09/12/08 10:59 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah i don't know, i'm not really down for any of that, seems creepy as shit to me.
i think that all that stuff is symbolic of archetypal parts of instinctual human nature and has eventual effects on the real world though. so i would never indulge in that stuff because i think it leaks back into the real world.
edit: i've done a bunch of datura too when i first first started using drugs. saw alot of tree people and learned their secrets. pissed myself and talked to people that weren't there. followed an old lady home because she was reading my mind, but never saw anything demonic
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Re: Going straight to HELL while TRIPPIN [Re: truekimbo2]
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Re: Going straight to HELL while TRIPPIN [Re: truekimbo2]
#8917838 - 09/12/08 11:07 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Cypher, i need ALL the INfo on this: "atropia" I can find. I'm immensely intrigued and downright jealous. Did you invent it? That demon dog was so fucking badass looking.
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Re: Going straight to HELL while TRIPPIN [Re: shroomie_glen]
#8917856 - 09/12/08 11:10 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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That write-up was by Wiccan_Seeker, who will probably tell you to only take 1 or 2 seeds of Datura Stramonium to avoid any possible toxicity.
I'm a fan of slightly higher doses before sleep, as it creates very disturbing, lucid dreams with an overtone of lustful malevolence. There's just something about Datura that conjures up an image of power--and the image is often an evil, paganistic one.
One of these days I'll do a write-up on my thoughts about Datura when I have more free time. You're welcome to PM me any questions you have.
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Re: Going straight to HELL while TRIPPIN [Re: shroomie_glen]
#8934590 - 09/15/08 05:06 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Greetings my fellow Sadomasochist 
The Atropia poem was mine, taken from the post I made years ago that I will repost later.
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The best trips i have are ones in which i am a great demon, torturing the chained, writhing souls around me with a tool belt of flame weapons. When i crack the flame whips on their charred skin, I can see the flesh rip and the wound is instantly cauterized. I can hear the skin tear and and see the contorted faces of agony on my minions. Their jaws agape with excruciation.
What you enjoy here is your sadomasochist mind taken to archetypal dimensions. The psychedelics take your sadomasochism and magnify it as grand as it can be.
What you're probably not telling us is that you probably wouldnt mind being any one of the victims as well as being the Demon.
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It always starts as seeing a single tortured soul fractalize into millions, then esctatic hilarity ensues.
That single tortured soul is you, you split yourself up in many and the spectacle begins. Every one of those souls and Demons are all you - its important to realize that.
As to Datura stramonium and Atropia - you don't want to do that. You are a prime candidate to go insane for years on end or even die. Hyoscyamine is a violent poison. For fullblown hallucinations you need a dose that is acutely dangerous to your health.
You get a kick out of the ultimate BDSM of your trips, and thats an important reason moreover to stay the hell away from Datura. Datura will seduce and lure you in and then fuck you up or kill you. Its profoundly sinister in nature. It is a poison.
Stick to LSD and Shrooms to do it - don't fuck with a REAL Demon even though you think they do not exist.
..and now teh repost! -----------------------------------------
If you enter an anticholinergic poisoning you will not trip. You will experience toxic delirium.
I don't want to go into the bio/neurochemistry too much because those who'd really want to know can google it. Let me just say that Dreams, Delirium and Psychosis truely and genuinely are one and the same thing, but the latter two are waking dreams brought about by intoxication (delirium) and neuropsychological derangements. (like in schizophrenia)
There is a fundamental difference between normal waking states and anxiety, depression etc. as these negative states radically alter the brain chemistry. You know about war vets, incest victims, hate crime victims getting "fucked up" for years on end. Yet particularly wonderfull events will not be likely to make you "blissed up" for years to the same degree.
Anxiety, terror, depression, pain etc are associated with situations that may be crucial for organismic survival. Since your DNA is selfish and just wants to procreate it is geared to be a bad parent by readily hurting you with phobia, post traumatic stress disorder, anxiety- and panic disorders and be a bit sparse with rewards, using them almost like a lure. (How come an acute orgasm doesnt last for hours and most aren't as thunderstruck as in the penny "romantic" woman's novels? Because rolling on the forest floor in ecstasy for hours might get you and more importantly your offspring killed.)
Likewise there is a kind of dreaming that is associated with neutrality/positiveness and a particularly cruel Shadow side. "Dreamscape" is associated strongly with lifelike symbolic representations (situations) and most characteristically: auditory hallucinations and trance logic, automatic speech, reality confusion and AMNESIA. (remember your dream as well as any other thing that happened 5 minutes after the fact?)
Sleep deprivation, other sensory deprivation states, Salvia Divinorum, Fly Agaric and MDMA overdose tend towards neutral dreamstates. (psychedelics do not: they stand so far from dreams that they're in a visionary class of their own.
The Nightshades (Datura, Atropa, Hyoscyamus, Brugmansia, Dubiosia, Scopolia and Mandragora), the Tropane Herbs, as well as alcohol delirium and prologed (schizophrenic) hallucinatory psychosis literally are NIGHTMARE DRUGS.
But you cannot believe how intense nightmares are! Mother nature shrouds them in hefty amnesia as to not self-traumatise, but Tropanes and Psychosis go beyond the self-protection mechanism either by chemical imbalance due to a drug or a weakness in the genes composition that make the brain happen.
Many fools at Erowid turn in amusing little anecdotes. How they pass cigarettes to imaginary friends, talk to furniture and how they run around the street naked bashing windows in with their heads.
But Tropanes are actually visionary compounds of the Dark side. And you do NOT want to go there, at least 99/100 would get mentally fucked up if they got physically raped by their own hand amidst the sight, sound and smell of the Living Dead, the summit of fear and dangerous poisoning, like i have been.
Personally I uphold the belief that wild frenzied uncontrolled masturbation and the rotting flesh of the dead do not mix. In my Tropane Hell it was symbolically brought about. Ed Gein however made it to his lifestyle and most "sick" horror movies are made to his real life template.
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There, the gruesome evidence proved that Gein's bizarre obsessions had finally exploded into murder, and much, much worse. In the woodshed of the farm was the naked, headless body of Bernice Worden, hanging upside down from a meat hook and slit open down the front. Her head and intestines were discovered in a box, and her heart on a plate in the dining room. The skins from ten human heads were found preserved, and another skin taken from the upper torso of a woman was rolled up on the floor. There was a belt fashioned from carved-off nipples, a chair upholstered in human skin, the crown of a skull used as a soup-bowl, lampshades covered in flesh pilled taut, a table propped up by a human shinbones, and a refrigerator full of human organs. The four posts on Gein's bed were topped with skulls and a human head hung on the wall alongside nine death-masks - the skinned faces of women - and decorative bracelets made out of human skin. The stunned searchers also uncovered a soup bowls fashioned from skulls, a shoebox full of female genitalia, faces stuffed with newspapers and mounted like hunting trophies on the walls, and a "mammary vest" flayed from the torso of a woman. Gein later confessed that he enjoyed dressing himself in this and other human-skin garments and pretending he was his own mother.
This is classic medievel insanity that went unchecked for decades. The acts are inconceivable, but his world was the literal wide awake nightmare that bears simularity to genuine tropane visions, except Ed Gein lived them to the point of actually exhuming dead women from the local cemetary and killing those he needed for his "artistic expressions of his innermost mind".
The particular cluster of Tropanes constitutes a sense of demonic presence (not necessarily Evil in the Christian sense, in fact I never encountered "true Evil") atrocities (note the Atropos root? It is The Horror and Atropa was the Greek "fate" who cut the thread of life when a mortal died. Atropine sounds less fun now, does it? I call the Realm of Nightmares "Atropia") and sexual arousal. Please note the theme in this old etching:

Emphasis lies on Demonic/Orgy elements. This heathen orgy of witches may in fact have taken place, the Demons conjured up by Witching Herbs and far more true to "pagan symbols" as christianity as long before christianity conquered Rome, into Stonehenge time Europe, rituals were led by a high priest and Horned Gods and Satyrs tell of non-evil horned (and, well, sometimes horny) neutral or benevolent entities.
The Rakshasa-beasts of Hinduism bear striking resemblence to medieval european Demons, look for pics of Balinese Rakshasa masks. Now look at a contemporary pop-culture image of Atropia, from the movie Hellraiser:

Here the main themes come together creating a powerful contemporary image: the Demonic, the Atrocious, the sadomasochistic orgy element and as a sidenote the lead Demon's spiked head bears resemblance to a thorn-apple capsule. Has Clive Barker read some trip reports? The Cthulu-stories are very Atropian and in fact the "Satanic Church" has more or less done away with Christianity's Devil in favor of HP Lovecraft-like maddening demons. (Akin to the movie "in the mouth of madness" for those who dont like to read horror;))
Next stop is my favorite psychoactive Old Master painter Hieronymus Bosch. He near-exclusively painted pictures of a blended Atropian/Christian Hell loaded with Atropian beings and scenes:

Again the Demonic, Orgiastic and Atrocious scenes surface.
Atropia is a very personal place. You will meet your own Demons your mind has blotted out of your nightmares to protect your mental integrity.
When hunting Witches in olden times it was usual to let physical torture be accompanied by Tropane herb poisoning. In a particularly cruel later-day torture a big thorn-apple (the genus reached us through the Middle East) was crammed up a person's mouth, who was then gagged and torture resumed. This is hardly conductive to a "good trip", in fact Tropanes bring true poisoning along with their nightmare/delirium/psychosis nature.
The Truely Just wouldnt die of torture: The Lord would protect the righteous. And since none were spared, they had to be witches, al of them.
You can understand that a confession elicited by torture, spoken from deeply within Atropia would hardly conform to concensus reality. In fact there were common themes. DMT has its Elves, Atropia has its Demons.
And now we come full circle. The Nightmare/Atropia world within us, the one that can drive you mad at it is genuine madness itself, has common themes from Bali to the Blocksberg to Bolivia. Just like concensus reality, or LSD, it has a degree of consistency too it.
And I can guarantee you that I'm 99% sure you don't want to unleash it into a wide-awake nightmare.
To round it off I will cut & paste a poem of some of my (mis)adventures in Atropia. As I translated it from Dutch the artist's fluency is lost. *cough* Warning: Do NOT enter ATROPIA. You are not ready. ---------------------------------------
ATROPIA
Welcome to Atropia the Darkest Realms of the Soul Welcome to Atropia Universe of Spectres
Feel the tension, the excitement slowly creeping up on you here, now, anything can happen here, now, the Dark Gate opens
Lying in Darkness Spectres Dwale the room solid like Flesh and empty like the Void the Visions commence
I saw the locomotive stop that train station, World War Two or Three persecuted herded into them I am one of them
Feel Lust ripping through your Flesh unhinged, potent, sexual frenzy accompanied by cruel visions you spew your spawn, shrieking like a beast
I was There, there on the battlefield rotting corpses as far as i could see intense horror, its not imagined dead eyes staring at me
Soaring through the air and Time and Space drinking dinosaurs, pastoral a creature looked at me with the thinnest eyes not of this Earth, yet here with me
The tension is merciless you could cut the air with a straight-edge razor explosions of fear shatter my Courage living my very worst wide-awake nightmare
Contentedly smiling I drive my car through the lush lands of Nature I know: this is Real another Life in another Time
It is over and done with me I feel Life oozing from my Flesh There is no doubt, no doubt at all I am dying here in my bed
Clairvoyant events ghosts of a distant past the telephone rings in my room there is no telephone in my room
Am I awake or am I dreaming there is nothing left to discern paralysed and petrified I lie in bed while Visions seep into Eye and Ear.
Raging tension excited Lust and willingness fear soars through my body my erection driven in the sheets
Demon of Fear Demon of Lust Demon of Visions Tonight I dream my dreams in Atropia
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Re: Going straight to HELL while TRIPPIN [Re: Asante]
#8934748 - 09/15/08 05:35 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: Datura will seduce and lure you in and then fuck you up or kill you. Its profoundly sinister in nature. It is a poison.
Everything is poison, nothing is poison. --Paracelsus
I find your attitude about Datura profoundly biased. It is true that at high dosages, Datura can be deadly. But at the same time, high doses of water can kill. It's all about skillfully using the correct proportion of dose to maximize psychoactive effects while minimizing toxicity.
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But Tropanes are actually visionary compounds of the Dark side. And you do NOT want to go there, at least 99/100 would get mentally fucked up if they got physically raped by their own hand amidst the sight, sound and smell of the Living Dead, the summit of fear and dangerous poisoning, like i have been.
If you want to see nightmares, demons, and wee creepy crawlie beasties of the night under Datura, then the plant will grant you this. If you want to instead walk the dreaming planes in your physical body, talk to your dead ancestors, or shapeshift into primal animal forms, the plant will also grant you this. It's all about the perspective on which one frames your set and setting. An attitude of fear towards demonic insanity is a sure-fire way to lock your trips into this mindset.
It is true that the witches of the fifteen century used tropane alkaloids such as Datura in their flying ointments, and accounts of these portray a sadomasochistic orgy of sex, violence, lust, and power. Charles Manson successfully used belladonna alkaloids to enthrall and captivate his cult members. And the zombies of Haiti were successfully made after application of Datura Stramonium along with tetrodotoxin.
But this is again a merely biased perspective. Native American tribes have used Datura for countless years in puberty and initiation ceremonies for their young men--where the loss of memory induced by the experience is supposed to wipe away all childish fantasies and replace them with knowledge of how to be men and how to hold power. Such tribes as the Chumash, the Tubatulabal, and the Kawaiisu all use Datura to induce powerful visionary states. The Tsonga tribe uses Datura for the initiation ceremonies of women, and the Navajo use this powerful plant for inspiring visions and divination.
Eat a little, and go to sleep. Eat some more, and have a dream. Eat some more, and don't wake up. --Navajo proverb regarding Datura.
Brugmansia, another tropane alkaloid, also known as Toe, is a common additive to ayahuasca mixtures in South America. The anticholinergic dream-state combined with the already intense headspace of the DMT yields a truly out of this world experience, and one not to be undertaken lightly--but at the same time, not one to be shunned under the pretext of:
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getting physically raped by their own hand amidst the sight, sound and smell of the Living Dead, the summit of fear and dangerous poisoning
Guanto, a drink made from Brugmansia, is typically only drunk at the most two times during a person's lifetime--and this is after hundreds of intense DMT experiences via ayahuasca. The journey itself is one that takes the journeyer into the heart of Nature itself--wild, untameable chaos subject to only primordial emotion and no sense of order. This is not a gentle teacher or an ally who will extend a helping hand in times of trouble, like ayahuasca. This is the embodiment of Lady Datura herself--a recalcitrant bitch by any other name who will scour your mind and soul if you fail to live up to her expectations. But if you do, true power can be seized.
I've experimented plenty with low-dose Datura Stramonium before sleep. The lucid dreams this has brought me have been intriguing, malevolent, sexual, and powerful--and I feel more in tune with my subconscious after ingestion than ever before. I have noticed no unpleasant side effects, and in fact have somewhat of an antidepressant afterglow for a good week after each excursion. Full delirium levels I have not sought yet, due to the extensive duration of the experience and fear of the full power that might be unleashed, but I'm not one to completely condemn the plant as you seem to do.
No plant is evil--it is only the mind that makes it so. When someone has ingested two seedpods worth of Datura, this is an obvious overdose--and will subsequently have enormous repercussions upon their sanity, cognitive abilities, and metaphorically speaking their soul. But this is similarly true for ingesting a dried ounce worth of powerful shrooms, or for IVing straight Ketamine for a solid week. When used with judicious dosage, and when used with the proper knowledge for use, Datura can be an extremely powerful tool.
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The Nightshades (Datura, Atropa, Hyoscyamus, Brugmansia, Dubiosia, Scopolia and Mandragora), the Tropane Herbs, as well as alcohol delirium and prologed (schizophrenic) hallucinatory psychosis literally are NIGHTMARE DRUGS.
But you cannot believe how intense nightmares are! Mother nature shrouds them in hefty amnesia as to not self-traumatise, but Tropanes and Psychosis go beyond the self-protection mechanism either by chemical imbalance due to a drug or a weakness in the genes composition that make the brain happen.
While it is true that nightmares can most certainly be induced by tropane alkaloids, it is not true that this is a consistent feature of their usage. When one is hopelessly pulled under by a surging tide of negative energy foaming up from one's subconscious, this is a clear sign that one has either taken too much or does not know how to handle the experience. Just like maintaining consciousness while trying to accomplish a WILD, so too can moderate levels of tropane alkaloids be mastered by the same lucid dreaming techniques that one uses ordinarily. Once one has control over one's subconscious, unlimited power is possible--travel through the astral planes, calling figments of one's imagination (spirits, dead ancestors, manifestations of one's subconscious, whatever you choose to call it); anything is possible. To blindly jump into a reality controlled by your subconscious is folly in any case--but to do so while simultaneously seizing the reins of lucidity and controlling the direction of one's waking dream is the pathway to power.
Here there be demons. But to quote one of my favorite Datura-esque movies:
If you're frightened of dying, and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. If you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the Earth.
-------------------- We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.
 
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