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Obama Tried to Delay Withdrawal Agreement of U.S. Troops
    #8932315 - 09/15/08 11:05 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.

Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops - and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its "state of weakness and political confusion."




"Obama has given Iraqis the impression that he doesn't want Iraq to appear anything like a success, let alone a victory, for America. The reason? He fears that the perception of US victory there might revive the Bush Doctrine of "pre-emptive" war - that is, removing a threat before it strikes at America."



http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obama_tried_to_stall_gis_iraq_withdrawal_129150.htm

"Obama asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington,"



If Obama (in a war zone) really tried to derail impending US govt. negotiations and decisions on troop withdrawals, obviously to benefit his own political prospects is that not TREASON?


Fucking with people's lives for political advancement?


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Re: Obama Tried to Delay Withdrawal Agreement of U.S. Troops [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8932417 - 09/15/08 11:56 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

iran hostages, lol


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Re: Obama Tried to Delay Withdrawal Agreement of U.S. Troops [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8932487 - 09/15/08 12:24 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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iran hostages, lol




I cant remember was it proven that Reagan derailed Hostage negotiations?


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Re: Obama Tried to Delay Withdrawal Agreement of U.S. Troops [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8932519 - 09/15/08 12:33 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Or are you saying this is just a conspiracy. Truthfully right now its just a he said she said.

The New York Post reporter/Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari and Barack Obama.


But if the Foreign Minister has Documentation of this Obama is Fucked.


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Re: Obama Tried to Delay Withdrawal Agreement of U.S. Troops [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8932895 - 09/15/08 01:46 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Obama Tried to Delay Withdrawal Agreement of U.S. Troops [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8933007 - 09/15/08 02:14 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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:laugh: had not seen that one.


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Re: Obama Tried to Delay Withdrawal Agreement of U.S. Troops [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8933028 - 09/15/08 02:17 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

There is a site somewhere that you can make those. I forget where it is though. I guess you could just use MS paint, but that site made it so much easier.


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Re: Obama Tried to Delay Withdrawal Agreement of U.S. Troops [Re: pinkfloydms]
    #8933150 - 09/15/08 02:34 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Being a political junkie I really enjoy the Humor and creativity from both sides.


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Re: Obama Tried to Delay Withdrawal Agreement of U.S. Troops [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8933285 - 09/15/08 03:00 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

A lot of em are funny as hell. The politiacl cartoons in the paper are usually the best.


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Best story ever!

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Re: Obama Tried to Delay Withdrawal Agreement of U.S. Troops [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8933979 - 09/15/08 05:21 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Obama Camp Denies He Tried to Delay Withdrawal Agreement of Troops From Iraq

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/15/obama-camp-denies-he-tried-to-delay-withdrawal-agreement-of-troops-from-iraq/

Good! Now we’ll see what the Iraqi Foreign Minister has to say.


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Re: Obama Tried to Delay Withdrawal Agreement of U.S. Troops [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8934701 - 09/15/08 07:27 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

lonestar2004 said:

Good! Now we’ll see what the Iraqi Foreign Minister has to say.




Vegas says:  There is less than a 1% chance that this policy was discussed with the Iraqis.  There is a 100% chance it was discussed with David Axelrod.


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Re: Obama Tried to Delay Withdrawal Agreement of U.S. Troops [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8939519 - 09/16/08 05:06 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

The Obama campaign has confirmed that Foreign Minister Zebari's assertion was accurately reported. This means Obama was in fact guilty of violating the Logan Act by attempting to undermine US foreign policy, and in wartime at that. From http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hi9TDNHvuBZpFsO8ZbiFYsnbIl3A --

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In the New York Post, conservative Iranian-born columnist Amir Taheri quoted Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari as saying the Democrat made the demand when he visited Baghdad in July, while publicly demanding an early withdrawal.

“He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington,” Zebari said in an interview, according to Taheri.

“However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open,” Zebari reportedly said. …

Obama’s national security spokeswoman Wendy Morigi said Taheri’s article bore “as much resemblance to the truth as a McCain campaign commercial.”

In fact, Obama had told the Iraqis that they should not rush through a “Strategic Framework Agreement” governing the future of US forces until after President George W. Bush leaves office, she said.




This, of course, is exactly what Taheri reported! Barack Obama went to Iraq and fucked with the diplomatic process of the United States government - in a war zone no less - by telling the Iraqis to stop negotiating with the President.  Why the Obama campaign thinks this admission somehow discredits the Post's story escapes me. Can someone help me out on this?

The sad truth of the matter is that this insufferable conceited asshat has interfered with the efforts of his country's elected government to stabilize Iraq and provide for its security, after the surge he opposed succeeded in keeping Iraq from falling into a failed state.  And when he got caught at his subversion he instructed his minions to attempt to transform his traitorous behavior into a smear against John McCain.

One thing you gotta give this little vermin credit for -- he's got less shame than a Bangkok pimp.




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Re: Obama Tried to Delay Withdrawal Agreement of U.S. Troops [Re: Phred]
    #8939541 - 09/16/08 05:10 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Frog march the fuck right through Wrigley Field.


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Re: Obama Tried to Delay Withdrawal Agreement of U.S. Troops [Re: Phred]
    #8939553 - 09/16/08 05:12 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not sure how delaying troop withdrawal would destabilize it or lessen its security. In fact, a year ago Republicans would have argued that a troop withdrawal would have CAUSED instability and reduce security in Iraq.


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Re: Obama Tried to Delay Withdrawal Agreement of U.S. Troops [Re: Redstorm]
    #8939576 - 09/16/08 05:18 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

What is destabilizing is for some criminal traitor to negotiate foreign policy.  He needs to shut the fuck up and stop usurping the power of the office of the President of the United States of America.  Or does he have no respect for the office?


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Re: Obama Tried to Delay Withdrawal Agreement of U.S. Troops [Re: Redstorm]
    #8939722 - 09/16/08 06:00 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

> I'm not sure how delaying troop withdrawal would destabilize it or lessen its security.

It isn't 'troop withdrawal' that is the issue, but rather a siting senator pretending to be the commander in chief.

> Or does he have no respect for the office?

Office? Try country... at least his wife is proud.



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Re: Obama Tried to Delay Withdrawal Agreement of U.S. Troops [Re: Seuss]
    #8940097 - 09/16/08 07:28 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Unbelievable!

So he admitted that he did tell the Iraqis to postpone any agreement to the Strategic Framework  and troop withdrawal until President Bush left office.

He actually admits to attempting to bypass the Commander In Chief of the United States in negotiating with a wartime ally.


And the only thing the MSM wants to talk about is did Sarah Palin try to fire a Dirty Cop!

I am so fucking sick of them.


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Re: Obama Tried to Delay Withdrawal Agreement of U.S. Troops [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8940152 - 09/16/08 07:44 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Well... Obama himself didn't admit it. One of his spokespeople did. So I guess if it turns out the Foreign Minister was lying about his meeting with Obama, Obama can throw the staffer under the bus.

Somehow I doubt the Foreign Minister of Iraq was lying about this. Especially considering the Obama campaign has not demanded a retraction or correction from The Post over this. Let's face it, the Obama campaign never wastes more than a few minutes before pouncing on anyone they believe is slighting The Lightworker. You better believe that if this was a false report, they'd be in a courtroom this very minute trying to slap an injunction on the Post.

Since it appears not to be false, all they can do is try to dream up some kind of positive spin to apply to it. So far, that ain't working. You can dress up a pig with lipstick, but it's still a pig.



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Re: Obama Tried to Delay Withdrawal Agreement of U.S. Troops [Re: Phred]
    #8940198 - 09/16/08 07:54 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Obama Tried to Delay Withdrawal Agreement of U.S. Troops [Re: Seuss]
    #8940614 - 09/16/08 09:11 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

TREASONGATE!


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Re: Obama Tried to Delay Withdrawal Agreement of U.S. Troops [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8941139 - 09/16/08 10:45 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

The sad part is that this kind of stuff probably works.



Asking clinton folks why they like clinton they all said "economy is good"


Barack wants no deal till he gets in their so he can act like the savior.


Totally stupid that people care about this stuff.  A good president is good even if the economy sucks or whatever.


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Re: Obama Tried to Delay Withdrawal Agreement of U.S. Troops [Re: johnm214]
    #8944643 - 09/17/08 04:52 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Disgrace! Obama discourages troop negotiations for personal political gain



The MSM would never play this ad, but did you hear Sarah Palin bought a tanning bed!!!!!!!!


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Re: Obama Tried to Delay Withdrawal Agreement of U.S. Troops [Re: lonestar2004]
    #9055650 - 10/09/08 10:02 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Drudge Headline on the top of his page,

"WASH TIMES Friday: Obama secretly tried to sway Iraqi government to ignore Bush deal on keeping troops in Iraq... Developing..."

http://www.drudgereport.com/




ORIGINAL ACCUSATION

Iraq’s Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, said Senator Obama told visiting Iraqi officials that President Bush’s government was in a ‘”state of weakness and political confusion’” so the negotiations (for troop withdrawal) should be postponed until after the election....




Is there maybe more evidence?


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Re: Obama Tried to Delay Withdrawal Agreement of U.S. Troops [Re: lonestar2004]
    #9055659 - 10/09/08 10:04 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I can't believe you read shit that is posted on Drudge report. :lol:

Not saying story is total bullshit, but is there any other sources? Real sources?


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Re: Obama Tried to Delay Withdrawal Agreement of U.S. Troops [Re: pinkfloydms]
    #9055663 - 10/09/08 10:06 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Obamas people admitted to it

a shining example of the nonpartisam media and fairness


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Re: Obama Tried to Delay Withdrawal Agreement of U.S. Troops [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9055707 - 10/09/08 10:15 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Drudge report is shit regardless.


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Re: Obama Tried to Delay Withdrawal Agreement of U.S. Troops [Re: pinkfloydms]
    #9055722 - 10/09/08 10:18 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Some media covered this last month. (new york post, fox news)

Now DRUDGE is saying the "WASHINGTON TIMES" will have a new story about it tomorrow.

I wonder if there is new evidence coming out?


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Re: Obama Tried to Delay Withdrawal Agreement of U.S. Troops [Re: pinkfloydms]
    #9055734 - 10/09/08 10:21 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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Drudge report is shit regardless.





we like to call it 'entertainment'


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Re: Obama Tried to Delay Withdrawal Agreement of U.S. Troops [Re: lonestar2004]
    #9057734 - 10/10/08 11:00 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Obama tried to sway Iraqis on Bush deal


In private conversations on troop presence, candidate pitched delay


EXCLUSIVE:

At the same time the Bush administration was negotiating a still elusive agreement to keep the U.S. military in Iraq, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama tried to convince Iraqi leaders in private conversations that the president shouldn't be allowed to enact the deal without congressional approval.

Mr. Obama's conversations with the Iraqi leaders, confirmed to The Washington Times by his campaign aides, began just two weeks after he clinched the Democratic presidential nomination in June and stirred controversy over the appropriateness of a White House candidate's contacts with foreign governments while the sitting president is conducting a war.

Some of the specifics of the conversations remain the subject of dispute. Iraqi leaders purported to The Times that Mr. Obama urged Baghdad to delay an agreement with Mr. Bush until next year when a new president will be in office - a charge the Democratic campaign denies.

Mr. Obama spoke June 16 to Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari when he was in Washington, according to both the Iraqi Embassy in Washington and the Obama campaign. Both said the conversation was at Mr. Zebari's request and took place on the phone because Mr. Obama was traveling.

However, the two sides differ over what Mr. Obama said.

"In the conversation, the senator urged Iraq to delay the [memorandum of understanding] between Iraq and the United States until the new administration was in place," said Samir Sumaidaie, Iraq's ambassador to the United States.

He said Mr. Zebari replied that any such agreement would not bind a new administration. "The new administration will have a free hand to opt out," he said the foreign minister told Mr. Obama.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/10/obama-sought-to-sway-iraqis-on-bush-deal/

Mr. Obama spoke June 16 to Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari when he was in Washington, according to both the Iraqi Embassy in Washington and the Obama campaign. Both said the conversation was at Mr. Zebari's request and took place on the phone because Mr. Obama was traveling.

However, the two sides differ over what Mr. Obama said.


:rolleyes:


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