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imnotthere
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top layer of coir won't colonize. Using RogerRabbit's teks and advice, so his comments would great!
#8923859 - 09/13/08 02:22 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I respect everyones opinions, but I used RR's teks and advice so perhaps he can enlighten me.
Tommorrow is gonna be day 20 since I spawned 3 qts of Rye to coir, filling a 12 qt sweater box. Roughly a 1:3 ratio (3 qts rye to 9 qts coir, filling the box - 4 inch deep).
From what I have read 20 days is too long.
My assumption is that it is well colonized on the inside, just the top layer is not quite complete.
I squeezed that coir till virtually no water came out, but it is possible that top layer is too wet and is colonizing slowly.
I also put that top layer of coir on pretty fluffy and light - could this be why the mycelium can't quite reach and colonize it all?
little bit of moisture on the mycelium, but not pooling. I have been taking the lid off and shaking out the water that is on the inside lid.
Should I case this? - it has been almost 3 weeks since I did the spawn run. Not sure if it will finish!
Next time I will try and make my coir dryer. It is actually a Coir/Vermiculite/Gypsum substrate. Just the verm I had left, probably barely 10%. And not much gypsum, less than 10%.
MOSTLY I just want some advice as to continue. I plan on casing with jiffy mix. Its worked well for me... but I don't wanna contaminate my substrate by casing it before colonized.... but at this rate it may not finish.
I also considered turning the tubs upside down, while holding the block of sub in and allowing that uncolonized coir to fall out....
or I could just case and wait 3-5 days then fruit them shits. I got a couple tubs that all look like this, all almost 3 weeks incubating at room temp (75-78)...
Thanks trusted cultivators!
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HippieChick
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Re: top layer of coir won't colonize. Using RogerRabbit's teks and advice, so his comments would great! [Re: imnotthere]
#8924003 - 09/13/08 02:59 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Did you have the lids on the whole time?
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imnotthere
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Re: top layer of coir won't colonize. Using RogerRabbit's teks and advice, so his comments would great! [Re: HippieChick]
#8924072 - 09/13/08 03:14 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah, lids on the whole time. Except when checking every couple days. They are getting enough gas exchange. I've had problems in the past with early pins, i think because I wasn't getting enough C02 buildup, and getting too much FAE.
No holes cut, but these lids are not at all a tight seal. The foil goes around cause before I had those problems like I said.
From what I understand you need quite a bit of CO2 buildup, without complete air tightness in order for the mycelium to colonize.... this corret?
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HippieChick
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Re: top layer of coir won't colonize. Using RogerRabbit's teks and advice, so his comments would great! [Re: imnotthere]
#8924468 - 09/13/08 04:41 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes , CO2 build up is good during colonization but you also need gas exchange . I asked because I had some stall and when I added an extra hole , in the center of my lid , it spead up the process
I've fruited bulk sub's that looked like that , the entire top not fully colonized , and didn't have any problems . Even cased a few like that .
If the center and bottom seem pretty much colonized , I'd say fruit them . You can try removing the uncolonized sub. if you want . If they seem to have stalled , I'm not sure I'd apply a casing layer , they might not get through it as quick as aggresive mycelium might .
Sometimes things like this just happen . Reap what you can and move on Could be anything and you might not ever find out why
Good Luck
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imnotthere
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Re: top layer of coir won't colonize. Using RogerRabbit's teks and advice, so his comments would great! [Re: HippieChick]
#8924571 - 09/13/08 05:00 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah, but this seems to happen on all my spawn runs.
Would it be a moisture problem? I over saturate my coir with 170 degree water, then when cool (next day) I squeeze out the excess. Maybe I don't squeeze hard enough or I should go a different route with my coir.
Will it hurt to give them 3-4 more days incubating?
At day 20 do you think its done.... or just slow??? Its been steady progress the whole time - even in the last 4-5 days it has been progressing I beleive....
If it hasn't progressed more then I think i'll case and fruit...
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HippieChick
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Re: top layer of coir won't colonize. Using RogerRabbit's teks and advice, so his comments would great! [Re: imnotthere]
#8924657 - 09/13/08 05:17 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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There's no question at 20 days it's slow,lol.
Do your other one's fruit OK ?
3-4 days won't hurt . They'll pin and fruit when they're ready . Even if they're not fully colonized and you don't subject them to fruiting conditions . I threw a contaminated bulk on my back porch, never uncovered it , forgot about it and when I finally stumbled across it , it had fruited on it's own with no help from me
If all your's are taking 20+ daysd to colonize , somethings not exactly right .
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DJYoshaBYD
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Re: top layer of coir won't colonize. Using RogerRabbit's teks and advice, so his comments would great! [Re: HippieChick]
#8924683 - 09/13/08 05:20 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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well, the coir does look pretty dark.. it might have been a lil too wet.. I have noticed that when I get it a lil too wet, it tends to look just like yours.. kinda spotty.. I would case and fruit, but thats just me.. lol.. a couple more day will not hurt at all
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imnotthere
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Re: top layer of coir won't colonize. Using RogerRabbit's teks and advice, so his comments would great! [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
#8924755 - 09/13/08 05:38 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah, my other ones fruited ok. I've yet to get nice even flushes. I get more like batches. Picking off fruits almost everyday, instead of all at once. I feel like even when this happens I get pretty good overall yields and quality - just not in convenient flushes...
hope you didn't eat those, lol. I recall a post you said you did eat some nasty ones like that, did I dream that or just make it up? I guess they don't hurt you if the green mold isn't on the fruit bodies..? I've been reading for about a year and just recently started to post - I'm a good noobie with semi-advanced questions! I just realized I got a rating a while back with props.
Is there anything the problem could be besides moisture content? It smells good, so I beleive no contaminants.
I am coming to the conclusion that all it could be is my coir being just a little too wet.... cause they usually end up fruiting pretty well - just no clear and distinct flushes... as I beleive these will too.
I am just dying to get this down to a T. I want my solid white sub and add my casing with 3-5 days and then bam!
HippieChick- If and when you do coir - how to you bring to field capacity?
Like I said I overly saturate with 170 degree water, sit for a day, then squeeze out excess as I make my tubs. Perhaps this method is bad??? I do it in big buckets you know.
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imnotthere
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Re: top layer of coir won't colonize. Using RogerRabbit's teks and advice, so his comments would great! [Re: imnotthere]
#8924774 - 09/13/08 05:42 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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will the overly moist sub benefit me when it comes time to fruit?
Maybe I'll add just 1 gallon of 170 degree water to my coir next time instead of submerging it. But when I use gypsum, which I always do, and sometimes verm... It seems like it would be hard to mix these ingredients evenly if I only have 1 gallon water...
I read somewhere that 1 brick will hold 1 gallon of water perfectly at field capacity...
or should I just squeeze them shits harder?
Does poo have the same issue? - where it can be easy to be too wet. I have been hesitant to deal with the poo, cause I don't know where to get it and I like coir and the price... got them 3 bricks for like $6.
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