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Notes on matter and mechanics of the dream world
    #8910990 - 09/11/08 05:51 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

First of all, some notes on matter in the dream world:
Matter is composed entirely differently, what is "solid" may not be completely solid afterall. Blades of grass tend to all look the same, but be angled differently. Gravitational pull and weight can be changed while mass remains the same. Physics still apply here; but they can be tweaked at will. I compare lucid dreaming best to the practice of magick in the wakeing world.

I delved into a completely profound lucid dreaming experience around 10 this morning. This time, right off the bat I knew it was a dream as I still remembered falling asleep. During the whole thing though I felt intoxicated; as if I was on a ganja food trip.
I instantaneously changed my bodily composition so I was lighter than air and started to float; as I moved through the ceiling of the room and travelled through seemingly solid matter I would feel it's vibrations all throughout my innards. It felt like a tingling, like a heebie jeebie tingle down the spine feeling, but at the core of myself on every level.
I reached the familiar "wall". As soon as I stop believing I can float I drop, if I keep believing I reach the wall. Once I hit the "wall of stars" I get catapulted along it(this has happened several times) and I can feel winds rushing past me and everything and I land at another place. This time I landed in the southern part of the northern american continent; other time however Ive landed as far away as southwestern asia. I will continue my experiments and see if I can use my theories on real world solar and orbital mechanics with dream world applications.
I experimented with summoning a person but Ive only been able to summon this person once. If I want something too much, or dont believe I "can" make it so, then I cannot make it so. I also managed to change a bag of pills to pot.
After "hacking" this dream and completely destroying the script and plot I reached a glitch, I reach glitches every so often; both in the wakeing world and the dream world.

I did my normal levitation thing but just let it "keep going" until it wouldnt go anymore. its a kind of "letting go". Usually in a dream we cling to what we feel must happen, certain "rules" but similar to letting go of a balloon full of helium I let go of my definition of reality and the whole world crumbled around me. I instantly felt like I was in some sorta wind tunnel, where I just spun and spun with space around me and I felt this wind against me. I still knew I was dreaming and wondered what was happening to my physical body to make me feel like I was spinning. I blew snot from my nose and there was ants in my mucous(in the lucid dream). I was able to make matter appear out of nowhere too.

In this glitch I felt like my whole body was spinning or in a wind tunnell of somesort like I was rolling down a nonexistant hill, and I was spinning up in the air. I was convinced I mustve been on some sorta psychedellic even before I fell asleep to do this and still felt intoxicated when I woke up.


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Re: Notes on matter and mechanics of the dream world [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #8911644 - 09/11/08 09:57 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I've always liked how in the dreamscape, light switches and all things electrical fail to work.  Text on a page is always fluid and everchanging, and there seems to be a natural light permeating everything (like the ambient light in a computer game.)

Lends a very old feeling to the realm--almost like going back in time to a fantasy world.


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Re: Notes on matter and mechanics of the dream world [Re: deCypher]
    #8914416 - 09/11/08 07:00 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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I've always liked how in the dreamscape, light switches and all things electrical fail to work.  Text on a page is always fluid and everchanging, and there seems to be a natural light permeating everything (like the ambient light in a computer game.)

Lends a very old feeling to the realm--almost like going back in time to a fantasy world.




Strange thing about my dreamscapes is text on a page is exactly the same as text in the real world. I do agree about ambient lighting to an extent though, even at night, but it's not that far off from moonlight or streetlights.
Never honestly tried lightswitches, if I have enough lucidity I dont need the lightswitch, I can will he lights to brighten or dim. Thats a good test if it's a dream, dim the lights with your mind.

I can wake myself on will by "openning my eyes twice". Its like I open them and open them again while they are already open.

My most common test is to try to levitate.


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Re: Notes on matter and mechanics of the dream world [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #8914994 - 09/11/08 08:31 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

How often do you get lucid dreams, and what methods are you using?

Mine are so rare that they're a special treat when they do come.


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Re: Notes on matter and mechanics of the dream world [Re: deCypher]
    #8915014 - 09/11/08 08:35 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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How often do you get lucid dreams, and what methods are you using?

Mine are so rare that they're a special treat when they do come.




I would say weekly. I dream almost every night.


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Re: Notes on matter and mechanics of the dream world [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #8921169 - 09/12/08 10:03 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

What are your favorite techniques for staying in a dream?

I am getting better at gaining lucidity, but I always seem to trigger energy buildups that knock me back into wakeless dreaming, or wake me up.


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Re: Notes on matter and mechanics of the dream world [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #8921197 - 09/12/08 10:12 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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What are your favorite techniques for staying in a dream?

I am getting better at gaining lucidity, but I always seem to trigger energy buildups that knock me back into wakeless dreaming, or wake me up.




I finally think Ive mastered a technique. Ya know that feeling between when you are sleeping and wakeing up or vice versa?
It's very hard to explain, but sometimes Ill get that energy spike and wake up, but I make sure I DONT open my eyes and I hold onto that barrier thats preventing me form wakeing up. My mind is still in a hazy dreamlike state so I can easily swim back into it.


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Re: Notes on matter and mechanics of the dream world [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #8921276 - 09/12/08 10:34 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I see

Did you read my powerful dream post?

When I became lucid I was trying to cling to a barrier of some sort to stay in dream, but I think I clung to the wrong side or something.

When I woke up I drifted awake slowly, as if I had been at an asymptote at the borderline of sleep but on the waking side.

do you think I found the wrong border?
or maybe it was a matter of relaxation? (it was an intense dream, after all)


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Re: Notes on matter and mechanics of the dream world [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #8921428 - 09/12/08 11:30 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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I see

Did you read my powerful dream post?

When I became lucid I was trying to cling to a barrier of some sort to stay in dream, but I think I clung to the wrong side or something.

When I woke up I drifted awake slowly, as if I had been at an asymptote at the borderline of sleep but on the waking side.

do you think I found the wrong border?
or maybe it was a matter of relaxation? (it was an intense dream, after all)




Its actually more of a "letting go" then a clinging. If you try to cling too hard you get catapulted into wakeing. if you let go of the barrier I suppose you fall back into the dream. Its all about how you look at it. You'll get it down eventually though.


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Re: Notes on matter and mechanics of the dream world [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #8921496 - 09/12/08 11:53 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I've found the lucid dreaming rather Zen-like, IMO.  You have to not want to lucid dream in order to continue maintaining lucidity--too much excitement and you awake; too little and you get sucked back up into the dream.


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Re: Notes on matter and mechanics of the dream world [Re: deCypher]
    #8921550 - 09/13/08 12:13 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

The one time I held lucid dream for a good length of time I remember quite a bit of stillness. But even that good length of time was fairly short.

I'll pick it up eventually. I seem to be getting better.

I need to work on using cops, video games, and drugs as reality checks.


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Re: Notes on matter and mechanics of the dream world [Re: deCypher]
    #8921591 - 09/13/08 12:24 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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I've found the lucid dreaming rather Zen-like, IMO.  You have to not want to lucid dream in order to continue maintaining lucidity--too much excitement and you awake; too little and you get sucked back up into the dream.




Yeah, I was about to say that desperation to stay in the dream is a sure fire way to get kicked out. By letting go of the desperation you kinda fall back into it.


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Re: Notes on matter and mechanics of the dream world [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #8921621 - 09/13/08 12:36 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Last time it was fairly weird when I got kicked out though, I had this feeling that there was electricity streaming through my body.

I became lucid and 'got kicked out of the dream' right as it became nightmarish- but as I realized it a dream the 'terror' became unbound, it was no longer emotional energy, just unbiased information signals.

It felt like I had electricity flowing through my body for a good 3 or 4 minutes after I was awake and walking around, it still seemed very dreamlike.


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Re: Notes on matter and mechanics of the dream world [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #8921636 - 09/13/08 12:40 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

If it becomes nightmarish you arent lucid enough, when that happens I usually wake myself up on purpose.


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