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 TheAxis
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 Moments of silence? 
#8919283 - 09/12/08 03:37 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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9/11 just being yesterday made me think of the origin of moments of silence and why they are associated with respect. I for one do not need to be silent in order to show my respect. True respect comes from deep in the heart, not in the quietness of you and your surroundings.
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Re: Moments of silence? [Re: TheAxis]
#8919630 - 09/12/08 04:34 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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I like to hoot an holler at funerals.
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Re: Moments of silence? [Re: Icelander]
#8919642 - 09/12/08 04:36 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lakefingers
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silence and bowing of the head is submissions that dominators relish
the US put most of the world into submission after 9/11's first worldwide moment of silence
go stand in the corner and don't look!
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Huehuecoyotl
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Re: Moments of silence? [Re: TheAxis]
#8922648 - 09/13/08 08:00 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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A moment of silence to recognize that US foreign policies have alienated many other governments and peoples on the planet? A moment of silence to recognize that 9/11 was a response to imperialist policies made by a government that is increasingly not for the people, by the people, or of the people? Sure.
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Re: Moments of silence? [Re: TheAxis]
#8922660 - 09/13/08 08:07 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Moments of silence are just symbolic expressions to show that large numbers of people care about the same thing. Nobody said silence is necessary to show respect.
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redgreenvines
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all vendettas aside
the silence helps deal with the enormity of the errors
tragedy and death
us foreign policy is very 16th century.
and so are many others'
9/11 is an opportunity to get up to date
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Icelander
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Quote:
Huehuecoyotl said:
A moment of silence to recognize that US foreign policies have alienated many other governments and peoples on the planet? A moment of silence to recognize that 9/11 was a response to imperialist policies made by a government that is increasingly not for the people, by the people, or of the people? Sure.
A moment of shame
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
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Icelander
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Quote:
WhiskeyClone said:
Moments of silence are just symbolic expressions to show that large numbers of people care about the same thing. Nobody said silence is necessary to show respect.
IMO it's more to show that large numbers of people follow their programs without reflection.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Icelander
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Quote:
redgreenvines said:
all vendettas aside
the silence helps deal with the enormity of the errors
tragedy and death
us foreign policy is very 16th century.
and so are many others'
9/11 is an opportunity to get up to date
a completely missed opportunity as usual, in fact it was used as an opportunity to continue policy.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Moments of silence? [Re: Icelander]
#8922680 - 09/13/08 08:20 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
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WhiskeyClone said:
Moments of silence are just symbolic expressions to show that large numbers of people care about the same thing. Nobody said silence is necessary to show respect.
IMO it's more to show that large numbers of people follow their programs without reflection.
No. That is not what they are intended to show, no matter what judgments you make about the individuals that participate.
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You're right I didn't mean "intended to show" I ment "to show".
Most people pretended to care about those dead. I don't see any moments of silence for the highway dead each day.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Moments of silence? [Re: Icelander]
#8922710 - 09/13/08 08:31 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Certain deaths are more fashionable to grieve over.
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Welcome evermore to gods and men is the self-helping man. For him all doors are flung wide: him all tongues greet, all honors crown, all eyes follow with desire. Our love goes out to him and embraces him, because he did not need it.
~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"
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Icelander
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Exactly right.
Personally I was fascinated by the whole "disaster". Just like any spectator sport, it was interesting and exciting. I understood the implications and all the spin that would come from it. I had my views on why they would attack us because I understand our human nature. There was no surprises except one.
I almost never watch TV. I had one at the time and had not turned it on in maybe six months. I woke up that morning and first thing I felt compelled to turn on the TV and the first thing I saw was the smoking tower. Now that is a mystery I haven't come to any conclusion on.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Moments of silence? [Re: Icelander]
#8923091 - 09/13/08 11:07 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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If I gave a moment of silence to 9/11, it would be wondering what happened.
I find it endlessly amusing that so many seem to either:
-Think you are crazy because you concluded it wasn't the US government.
-Think you are crazy because you concluded it was the US government.
I think they're crazy to conclude.
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Re: Moments of silence? [Re: Icelander]
#8923095 - 09/13/08 11:08 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
I almost never watch TV. I had one at the time and had not turned it on in maybe six months. I woke up that morning and first thing I felt compelled to turn on the TV and the first thing I saw was the smoking tower. Now that is a mystery I haven't come to any conclusion on.
Trippy. I somehow failed to read that until after I posted.
But I am with you.
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Re: Moments of silence? [Re: Icelander]
#8924324 - 09/13/08 04:13 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes
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according to basic ecology energy is not created it is merely captured and then lost
at this time on Earth resources used are not able to be recovered
thus it would have been wise to use them to build and create instead of destroy
our government, their government, those are all just ideas with no reality
reality is that there's just so much resources and then when they are gone they are gone
thus there is a conspiracy of destroyers across the world, those who would selfishly waste
and it's more than likely that the opposite conspiracy of those who seek to preserve will not stand a chance against them
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Re: Moments of silence? [Re: Icelander]
#8926697 - 09/14/08 12:54 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
I almost never watch TV. I had one at the time and had not turned it on in maybe six months. I woke up that morning and first thing I felt compelled to turn on the TV and the first thing I saw was the smoking tower. Now that is a mystery I haven't come to any conclusion on.
Like that kitty who hangs around the dying people in the hospital
Death is such an attraction.
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Re: Moments of silence? [Re: TheAxis]
#8926810 - 09/14/08 01:26 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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TheAxis said:
9/11 just being yesterday made me think of the origin of moments of silence and why they are associated with respect. I for one do not need to be silent in order to show my respect. True respect comes from deep in the heart, not in the quietness of you and your surroundings.
Anything that one 'ought' to do for respect is not respect; it's conforming to societal expectations. Respect should be something that you have because you think the event in question deserves it.
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