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The Military "Draft" Thread.
#8918522 - 09/12/08 01:25 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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People say its never going to happen again. They swear it. But lets face the facts. If Macain gets into office i think shit could really hit the fan. Im curious about the draft.
First off what makes it so you HAVE to get drafted into a conflict? You need to be a male 18 years of age and who signed up for selective service (Its rquired).
Now what is it that can make it so you caint get drafted. From what ive seen college students didnt get drafted during the vietnam war. Is this true? If your a full time student can you get drafted?
Another thing. Im a convicted felon. Would they draft me with my "Hardcore" Criminal record? I caint even buy guns anymore. Why the fuck would uncle sam give me an automatic one?
Thoughts? Experiances? ect.
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im not worried im a full time student they have millions of other people to chose first over me
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Spiritual Seeker said: Another thing. Im a convicted felon. Would they draft me with my "Hardcore" Criminal record? I caint even buy guns anymore. Why the fuck would uncle sam give me an automatic one?
Cause apparently, you got the right kind of attitude
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Re: The Military "Draft" Thread. [Re: Coaster]
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Im sure youd get drafted. I dont think your record matters. Im actually a republican. So yeah, i wouldnt mind.
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Re: The Military "Draft" Thread. [Re: alphapacifist]
#8918549 - 09/12/08 01:31 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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well im sure i wont get drafted the profession im going into is one of the most important for america and is severely lacking theres no way they would risk my neck
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Re: The Military "Draft" Thread. [Re: alphapacifist]
#8918557 - 09/12/08 01:32 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'd love to see a draft. So many people would be so pissed. It'll be the 60s all over again. People would turn this government over. Most of us already don't support the war.
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Re: The Military "Draft" Thread. [Re: cactastic]
#8918584 - 09/12/08 01:38 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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No they wouldn't. They're too busy stuffing their faces with fast food, driving SUVs, and watching cable to give a shit about a draft.
They haven't cared about the last seven years of war, what makes you think they'll care now?
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Re: The Military "Draft" Thread. [Re: Crasher]
#8918597 - 09/12/08 01:41 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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^^ cuz mad peeps have died = smaller armed forces = cant invade other countries (iran, korea, etc)
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Re: The Military "Draft" Thread. [Re: Platinum]
#8918608 - 09/12/08 01:44 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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If there is a draft i would rather go to jail then support a totalitarianist regime.
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Re: The Military "Draft" Thread. [Re: Platinum]
#8918616 - 09/12/08 01:45 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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4,000 out of a million person force isn't "mad peeps"
Iran and Korea would hardly be ground battles anyway. We'd bomb them into oblivion before boots hit the ground, and hopefully we wouldn't bother occupying them.
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Cognitive_Shift said: If there is a draft i would rather go to jail then support a totalitarianist regime.
Which is funny because most soldiers would rather have you in jail then carrying a rifle anywhere behind them anyway.
Another reason we won't have a draft, there are too many veterans who would just kill draftees who didn't pull their weight in combat. It happened in Viet Nam.
Oh, we're also far away from totalitarianism, you should actually look up what that means.
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Cognitive_Shift said: If there is a draft i would rather go to jail then support a totalitarianist regime.
we should never have fought a war against Germany either. The United States are monsters!!!
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Re: The Military "Draft" Thread. [Re: Crasher]
#8919080 - 09/12/08 02:59 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh, we're also far away from totalitarianism, you should actually look up what that means.
Look, no read a book on how hitler came to power.
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“An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and child of this great nation. We must take steps to insure our domestic security and protect our Homeland.” -hitler
sounds kinda similar to what bush is saying eh?
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Yeah it does, but what two leaders claim as a rallying flag isn't what makes a totalitarian nation.
We still have a free market, there aren't mandatory reeducation centers or any kind of State Culture. we still have the freedom of press, religion, to gather, to bear arms, etc.
You'd be hard pressed to find an armed population with the ability to speak freely in a totalitarian state.
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Re: The Military "Draft" Thread. [Re: Crasher]
#8919157 - 09/12/08 03:16 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Its on its way, look how much shit violates the constitution. Totalitarianist states dont just become that way, it slowly changes over time into totalitarianism. In the last century look at how many liberties have been deemed illegal. Are you just as free now, compared to people that lived in 1908? No, no not really.
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Prove it.
List my lost liberties (lol) with evidence of a progression towards this totalitarian dictatorship we're heading to.
Or just go ahead and call me for not believing i'm free when I can spend my day posting about drug use on the internet, carrying a concealed hangun, all without the FBI at my doorstep.
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Are you just as free now, compared to people that lived in 1908? No, no not really.
not to mention that since then, women were allowed the freedom to vote and we desegregated our country.
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Re: The Military "Draft" Thread. [Re: Crasher]
#8919208 - 09/12/08 03:25 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Crasher said: Prove it.
List my lost liberties (lol) with evidence of a progression towards this totalitarian dictatorship we're heading to.
Or just go ahead and call me for not believing i'm free when I can spend my day posting about drug use on the internet, carrying a concealed hangun, all without the FBI at my doorstep.
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Are you just as free now, compared to people that lived in 1908? No, no not really.
not to mention that since then, women were allowed the freedom to vote and we desegregated our country.
Touche.
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Re: The Military "Draft" Thread. [Re: Crasher]
#8919234 - 09/12/08 03:29 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Heres court cases that have taken away libertys this century for ya
* - Freedom of Information Act Amendments Challenged by White House, January 1974 - September 1974, posted by blackmax * - Butz Resigns over Obscene, Racist Joke, October 4, 1976, posted by blackmax * - Journalist Reveals US Spy Program; Cheney Recommends Burglaries and Indictments as Retaliation, May 25, 1975, posted by blackmax * - House and Senate Pass Patriot Act Without Reading It, October 24, 2001, posted by paxvector * - Sen. Feingold Blocks Vote on Patriot Act, October 9, 2001, posted by paxvector * - Top Rumsfeld Aide Cambone Resigns, December 31, 2006, posted by Paul * - Senators Daschle and Leahy Raise Concerns about Newly Introduced Patriot Act, October 2-4, 2001, posted by Paul * - Investigations Probe Operation Shamrock, Lead to Passage of FISA Law, May 15, 1975 and After, posted by blackmax * - President Bush Describes 2002 Al-Qaeda Plot in Apparent Effort to Deflect Criticism of NSA Wiretapping, February 9, 2006, posted by Paul * - Oversight Chairman Requests Interview Transcripts from CIA Leak Investigation, June 3, 2008, posted by blackmax * - Presidential Nominee John McCain Would Continue Warrantless Surveillance, Immunity for Telecoms, June 2, 2008, posted by blackmax * - Senate Republicans Protect Justice Department from Oversight by Inspector General, April 23, 2008, posted by blackmax * - YouTube Refuses Senator’s Request to Suppress Videos, May 19, 2008, posted by blackmax * - Cheney’s Staff Powerful, Secretive, and Highly Influential, Reporter Finds, April 16, 2006, posted by blackmax * - FBI Builds Digital Collection System Network Enabling Real-Time Monitoring of US Communications, 1997-August 2007 and After, posted by blackmax * - Bush Administration Pushing for Immunity for Telecom Firms Who Cooperated with NSA Domestic Wiretapping Program, December 16, 2007, posted by blackmax * - Newt Gingrich Says People ‘Will Give Up All Their Liberties’ When Faced with Threat, April 18, 2008, posted by Paul * - Justice Department Claims that Fourth Amendment Does Not Apply in Domestic Military Operations, October 23, 2001, posted by blackmax * - ACLU Learns of Justice Department’s 2001 Dismissal of Fourth Amendment, April 2, 2008, posted by blackmax * - Bush Uses Yemen Hub Calls to Justify NSA Warrantless Program, January 25, 2006, posted by KJF * - Attorney General Makes Puzzling Claim about Pre-9/11 Communication Intercept, March 27, 2008, posted by KJF * - Cheney Uses Yemen Hub Calls to Justify NSA Warrantless Program, January 4, 2006, posted by KJF * - Olbermann: Bush’s Call for Telecom Immunity ‘Textbook Example of Fascism’, January 30, 2008, posted by blackmax * - Hayden Says NSA Warrantless Program May Have Detected 9/11, January 23, 2006, posted by KJF * - Civil Liberties Group Challenges Administration’s Dismissal of Fourth Amendment, April 2, 2008, posted by blackmax * - Olbermann: MCA the ‘Beginning of the End of America’, October 19, 2006, posted by blackmax * - Dean: Military Commissions Act Befits ‘Totalitarian State’ More than a Democracy, September 22, 2006, posted by blackmax * - ACLU Calls on Justice Department to Release October 2001 Memo Nullifying Fourth Amendment, April 2, 2008, posted by blackmax * - Reporter: Bush Response to NSA Wiretapping Story Similar to South African Attempts to Silence Stories About Apartheid, December 21, 2005, posted by blackmax * - New Electronic Surveillance System Vulnerable to Hacking, Exploitation, 2003, posted by blackmax * - Law Forces Broadband Providers, ISPs to Allow Government Access to Networks, 1997-August 2007 and After, posted by blackmax * - Rehnquist Appointed to Supreme Court; Dodges Allegations of Racial Harassment, January 7, 1972, posted by blackmax * - Firms of State Department Contractors Who Broke into Candidates’ Passport Files Identified, March 21, 2008, posted by blackmax * - Reporter Finds Passport Files Contain Wealth of Personal Information, March 21, 2008, posted by blackmax * - Clinton’s Passport File Breached; Rice Promises Investigation, March 21, 2008, posted by blackmax * - Waxman Asks Rice for Information about Obama Passport Break-in, March 21, 2008, posted by blackmax * - McCain’s Passport Files Also Breached, March 21, 2008, posted by blackmax * - Timing of Obama File Breaches Suggests Political Motivations, March 21, 2008, posted by blackmax * - Former White House Lawyer and Law Professor Say Bush Abuses Presidential Signing Statements, September 2007, posted by blackmax * - Military Commissions Act Legalizes ‘Tyranny in the United States,’ Says Former Civil Litigator, September 28, 2006, posted by blackmax * - Rehnquist Dies; Drove Supreme Court Sharply to Right, September 5, 2005, posted by blackmax * - Reagan Alludes to GOP Efforts to Control Courts, October 1986, posted by blackmax * - Obama’s Private Passport Files Broken into on Three Separate Occasions, Says State Department, March 20, 2008, posted by blackmax * - Article Notes Cheney’s Words Show He Counts Himself as Part of Executive Branch, June 29, 2007, posted by blackmax * - Protect America Act Becomes Law, Gives Government Broad New Surveillance Powers, August 5, 2007, posted by blackmax * - Protect America Act Sails Through Congress, August 1-4, 2007, posted by Paul * - Rehnquist Becomes Chief Justice; Misled Congress in Confirmation Hearings, September 26, 1986, posted by blackmax * - Former NSA Analyst Slams NSA’s Domestic Surveillance Program, May 16, 2006, posted by blackmax * - Supreme Court Justice Says US Keeps Repeating Same Civil Liberties Mistakes, 1987, posted by blackmax * - Historian Decries Bush Record on Civil Liberties, April 21, 2006, posted by blackmax * - Former House Majority Leader Warns Against Sacrifice of Freedoms in War Against Terror, December 6, 2002, posted by blackmax * - Nixon Approves ‘Huston Plan’ for Domestic Surveillance, July 14, 1970, posted by blackmax * - Ashcroft Denies Conflict of Interest in $52 Million Deal with Justice Department, March 11, 2008, posted by blackmax * - House Judiciary Committee Files Lawsuit to Compel White House Testimony, March 10, 2008, posted by blackmax * - Military Commissions Act ‘Unnecessary,’ ‘Abusive,’ Says Human Rights Watch, October 9, 2006, posted by blackmax * - Hoekstra, Republicans Claim Democrats Put Trial Lawyers, Global Warming before National Security, February 25-26, 2008, posted by blackmax * - Amnesty International: Military Commissions Act Turns ‘Bad Executive Policy into Bad Law’, September 28, 2006, posted by blackmax * - Reporter: Bush Tried to Quash Wiretapping Story ‘Because It Would Reveal Him as a Law-Breaker’, December 21, 2005, posted by blackmax * - Dean: Protect America Act a Presidential Power Grab, August 10, 2007, posted by blackmax * - Historian Reminds Americans of Lincoln’s Warnings against Unilateral Presidential War Powers, June 28, 2003, posted by blackmax * - House Holds Miers, Bolten in Contempt, February 14, 2008, posted by blackmax * - Civil Liberties Groups Demand Explanation for Border Searches, February 7, 2008, posted by blackmax * - US Citizens Harassed by Customs, 2007, posted by blackmax * - Bush Insists on Telecom Immunity, Claims Democrats Put Trial Lawyers before Nation’s Safety, February 23, 2008, posted by KJF * - Mukasey Refuses to Refer Contempt Citations to Grand Jury, February 29, 2008, posted by blackmax * - Nixon Aide Receives Martial Law Proclamations, December 1968, posted by blackmax * - McConnell, Mukasey: Law’s Expiration Costing the Government Needed Terrorist Intelligence, February 22, 2008, posted by blackmax * - Mukasey, McConnell Admit that US Receiving Same Intelligence as before PAA Lapse, February 23, 2008, posted by blackmax * - CIA Also Using National Security Letters, Agency Documents Reveal, January 25, 2008, posted by blackmax * - Gonzales Says Framers of Constitution Intended ‘Strong Presidency,’ but Is Accused of Misrepresentation, May 22, 2002, posted by blackmax * - National Intelligence Chief Admits Legislation Primarily Needed to Protect Telecom Firms, Not the Nation, February 15-17, 2008, posted by blackmax * - Infant Dies While in Homeland Security Detention, February 12, 2008, posted by blackmax * - FBI Alerts Business Community About Terrorist Threat, but Not Elected Officials, November 1, 2001, posted by blackmax * - ACLU Warns that InfraGard May Train Private Citizens to Be ‘Surrogates’ for FBI, August 2004, posted by blackmax * - Mueller Urges InfraGard Members to Inform FBI of ‘Suspicious Activities’ and ‘Disgruntled Employees’, August 9, 2005, posted by blackmax * - Government Includes Informing InfraGard Members in Terror Threat Preparations, February 7, 2003, posted by blackmax * - FBI Uses InfraGard to Train Private Citizens to Cooperate with Government, Potentially Enforce Martial Law, 1996-2008, posted by blackmax * - Protect America Act Expires, Congress Does Not Yet Grant Immunity to Telecoms, February 16, 2008, posted by blackmax * - New Surveillance Laws Would Allow NSA to ‘Filter,’ Monitor Domestic Phone, Internet Traffic, February 5, 2008, posted by blackmax * - Wiretaps Resuming ‘For the Time Being’, February 23, 2008, posted by blackmax
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Re: The Military "Draft" Thread. [Re: thekwazz]
#8919241 - 09/12/08 03:30 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Crasher said: Prove it.
List my lost liberties (lol) with evidence of a progression towards this totalitarian dictatorship we're heading to.
Or just go ahead and call me for not believing i'm free when I can spend my day posting about drug use on the internet, carrying a concealed hangun, all without the FBI at my doorstep.
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Are you just as free now, compared to people that lived in 1908? No, no not really.
not to mention that since then, women were allowed the freedom to vote and we desegregated our country.
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A lot of those entries are from the 1960-80's
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Re: The Military "Draft" Thread. [Re: KillerPicklez]
#8919275 - 09/12/08 03:35 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Heres court cases that have taken away libertys since september 11, 2001 for ya
and you start with...
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Did you even read what you posted or just steal the list from historycommons.org???
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Re: The Military "Draft" Thread. [Re: Crasher]
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The House of Representatives passes the final version of the Patriot Act and other previously unpopular Bush administration projects: Alaska oil drilling, $25 billion in tax cuts for corporations, taps into Social Security funds, and cuts in education. [CNN, 10/25/2001] Republican Congressman Ron Paul states: “It’s my understanding the bill wasn’t printed before the vote—at least I couldn’t get it. They played all kinds of games, kept the House in session all night, and it was a very complicated bill. Maybe a handful of staffers actually read it, but the bill definitely was not available to members before the vote.” It is later found that only two copies of the bill were made available in the hours before its passage, and most House members admit they voted for the act without actually reading it first. [Insight, 11/9/2001] Two days later, the Senate will pass the final version of the Patriot Act. Anthrax targets Senators Tom Daschle and Patrick Leahy (see October 15, 2001) now support the bill. President Bush signs it into law the same day (see October 26, 2001). [Fox News, 10/26/2001]
And with this America entered a tragic new direction, and I agree with Chemy when he says, 10-26-01, never forget.
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Re: The Military "Draft" Thread. [Re: Crasher]
#8919354 - 09/12/08 03:48 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Heres court cases that have taken away libertys since september 11, 2001 for ya
Yeahi was looking at multiple things online and typed down the wrong one, i edited it asap.
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Re: The Military "Draft" Thread. [Re: Crasher]
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They're too busy stuffing their faces with fast food, driving SUVs, and watching cable to give a shit about a draft.
QFT..
Cognitive_Shift has proven that at least he still has the liberty to copy and paste tons of blackmax posts. Let freedom ring!
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Re: The Military "Draft" Thread. [Re: thedefone]
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They're too busy stuffing their faces with fast food, driving SUVs, and watching cable to give a shit about a draft.
QFT..
Cognitive_Shift has proven that at least he still has the liberty to copy and paste tons of blackmax posts. Let freedom ring!
Sorry i cant name every court case this century off my head. Why would i re-type something i found on the web when i can copy and paste? eh? I dont mean to be rude but im just standing up for what i think.
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I would agree a lot of these articles contain dubious action, and I'm all for limiting the government's ability to put us under surveillance or control.
But even the patriot act hardly amasses to a Totalitarian state.
An odd socialist police state, maybe in the next 20 years it'll be as bad or worse than the UK or anything Orwell imagined.
There are a lot of ingredients missing for totalitarianism, and we still have time to change the country.
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Re: The Military "Draft" Thread. [Re: Crasher]
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Crasher said: No they wouldn't. They're too busy stuffing their faces with fast food, driving SUVs, and watching cable to give a shit about a draft.
They haven't cared about the last seven years of war, what makes you think they'll care now?
Because they'd snatch your ass off your couch, take you away from your SUV and cable and replace your fast food with an MRE and drop you in the middle of a fucking war zone that you don't even agree should be a war zone. I think a draft would make young people actually care about whats going on. I mean a draft is essentially getting arrested and going to a prison thats even more likely to kill you then actual prison. . .while being totally innocent. I think that might incite a bit of protest..not that any amount of protest or voting would actually change anything.
And see thats the thing..people in other countries get the wrong idea that we support what our government does. Or that we have any say in what they do..All we do is vote for people who make decisions. After they are elected they could decide to nuke the whole fucking planet and we could do shit about it. MOST Americans are pretty disgusted with what our government is doing..but its not our people doing it. Its our government..big difference. We have no say in who they go to war with or what they enforce on us. Like this draft. .if Bush 2.0 gets elected and he reinstates the draft theres absolutely dick we could do about it other then become Canadian..and thats not so easy for a lot of people.
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Re: The Military "Draft" Thread. [Re: the_0wl]
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Because they'd snatch your ass off your couch, take you away from your SUV and cable and replace your fast food with an MRE and drop you in the middle of a fucking war zone that you don't even agree should be a war zone.
You don't read many of my posts, do you?
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I think a draft would make young people actually care about whats going on.
Which would be a welcome change of pace, imo.
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I mean a draft is essentially getting arrested and going to a prison thats even more likely to kill you then actual prison. . .
Most draftees would be support, far far away from combat.
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people in other countries get the wrong idea that we support what our government does. Or that we have any say in what they do..
Many Iraqis I spoke to understood how difficult it is to be a soldier in a foreign country you don't think you should be occupying. They know our hands are tied.
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if Bush 2.0 gets elected and he reinstates the draft theres absolutely dick we could do about it other then become Canadian
You really expect something different from Obama? Same pile of shit with a slightly different odor.
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Re: The Military "Draft" Thread. [Re: Crasher]
#8919851 - 09/12/08 05:16 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Most draftees would be support, far far away from combat.
like vietnam?
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You really expect something different from Obama? Same pile of shit with a slightly different odor.
nope. theyre both going to fuck this nation over. i want to be able to vote for something besides:
anti-abortion, less taxes, pro gun and war.
VS.
pro choice, more taxes, anti gun and MAYBE no war.
its just a pathetic choice and an insult to intelligent americans everywhere. i dont care if my vote is "wasted" im voting ron paul or whoever is independent.
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Re: The Military "Draft" Thread. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
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"the_0wl : MOST Americans are pretty disgusted with what our government is doing..but its not our people doing it. Its our government..big difference. We have no say in who they go to war with or what they enforce on us. Like this draft. .if Bush 2.0 gets elected and he reinstates the draft theres absolutely dick we could do about it other then become Canadian..and thats not so easy for a lot of people. "
And the government are who, robots? Think about what you're saying. These are Americans running this country, put there by other Americans. Most of our country doesn't support what's going on? Have you SEEN the look on people's faces in support of McBush and Gov. Barbie? Fucking a man. I don't know where you live, but it damn sure ain't America.
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spock
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Re: The Military "Draft" Thread. [Re: thekwazz]
#8920215 - 09/12/08 06:44 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Charlie Rangle has been advocating the reinstatement of the draft for years and I think he makes a good point. If if there was a draft both the rich and poor would be sent off to pointless wars. When the rich(the ones who make decisions in our world) started seeing their kids rather than the faceless poor's children dieing. when its their kids there will be less willing to send troops(not just the poor but their kids too) of on some dumb shit.
I hope that post was somewhat coherent and if not i apologize. too many xanax.
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Re: The Military "Draft" Thread. [Re: spock]
#8920238 - 09/12/08 06:50 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I dont necessarily disagree with a draft, you brought up a very valid point. its not like they draft college kids. maybe that would drive some of these American hating Americans out of the country. I really get quite sick of Americans complaining about freedom, it shows how ignorant they are about the conditions around the rest of the world (not saying we dont have problems but we do need to be grateful for what we do have)
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Re: The Military "Draft" Thread. [Re: spock]
#8920243 - 09/12/08 06:52 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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spock said: Charlie Rangle has been advocating the reinstatement of the draft for years and I think he makes a good point. If if there was a draft both the rich and poor would be sent off to pointless wars. When the rich(the ones who make decisions in our world) started seeing their kids rather than the faceless poor's children dieing. when its their kids there will be less willing to send troops(not just the poor but their kids too) of on some dumb shit.
I hope that post was somewhat coherent and if not i apologize. too many xanax.
or the rich would just weasle their ways out of it as they have always done.
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Re: The Military "Draft" Thread. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#8920291 - 09/12/08 07:07 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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that's true but the fear of losing your kid can definitely sway perception of weather a particular disagreement is worth fighting over. the same idea would work if it was mandatory for all 18 year old kids serve for a year. Sure the privileged would be less likely to do much dirty work but there's no telling for sure. These fuckers talk tough but would think a lot more rationally if forced to rather than not worrying because "hey, it's not my kid".
Edited by spock (09/12/08 07:08 PM)
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DieCommie
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Spock was the only poster here to mention that democrats are the ones pushing for a draft in the house, not republicans. The fact that you think a republican would institute a draft instead of democrats who have been advocating it all along shows either a) your just a partisan who hates people with an 'R' next to their names and will lie to convince other people or b)your completely ignorant to the modern political landscape.
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DragonChaser
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Re: The Military "Draft" Thread. [Re: Crasher]
#8920339 - 09/12/08 07:17 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I support a draft, because I think it would make people wake the fuck up when their brothers and sons are being forced against their will into military service.
Plus, I wouldn't get drafted since I'm a full time student, a math major/comp sci minor. Even if I did get drafted I'd be running reactors on carriers or something and probably not even seeing combat.
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Edited by DragonChaser (09/12/08 07:18 PM)
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DieCommie
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Re: The Military "Draft" Thread. [Re: DragonChaser]
#8920344 - 09/12/08 07:17 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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So you support the draft so people can oppose the draft? wtf?
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Re: The Military "Draft" Thread. [Re: DieCommie]
#8920353 - 09/12/08 07:20 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think its more so that more people will speak out against the war. It honestly seems like our country is completely numb to this war going on in Iraq and Afganistan. Its quite sad really
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DragonChaser
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Re: The Military "Draft" Thread. [Re: DieCommie]
#8920357 - 09/12/08 07:20 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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At this point, I support just about anything that will wake people up and stop making them feel so comfortable and secure. Anything that makes people ask questions and question what they are told gets the from me.
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LeftyBurnz
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Re: The Military "Draft" Thread. [Re: spock]
#8920359 - 09/12/08 07:21 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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spock said: that's true but the fear of losing your kid can definitely sway perception of weather a particular disagreement is worth fighting over. the same idea would work if it was mandatory for all 18 year old kids serve for a year. Sure the privileged would be less likely to do much dirty work but there's no telling for sure. These fuckers talk tough but would think a lot more rationally if forced to rather than not worrying because "hey, it's not my kid".
as much as i am against a draft, and as much as i dislike israel and their policies, oddly enough, i like their idea that ALL citizens must serve in the military for 3 years(although i think its bullshit that men must serve 3 and women only have to serve 2). i think that would be a great program for this country, and it would straighten out alot of these fucking idiots we have. i guarantee it would do wonders for the obesity/laziness epidemic currently kicking the crap out of this country.
i like the idea, but not the way our country runs right now. if our government wasnt so fucking war hungry and started shit with everyone, iwould feel alot better about it.
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