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Worlds largest particle accelerator
    #8915379 - 09/11/08 09:45 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Whose excited for the outcome? :awesome:

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Re: Worlds largest particle accelerator [Re: weallsmoke]
    #8915399 - 09/11/08 09:49 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

they are going to blow up the planet.


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Re: Worlds largest particle accelerator [Re: Groomies]
    #8915496 - 09/11/08 10:06 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

they should at least wait a few years to for fill the prophecy.:shrug:

I wonder if this was in the Mayan calender or in Terrence Mckenna time line.

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Re: Worlds largest particle accelerator [Re: weallsmoke]
    #8915922 - 09/11/08 11:39 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Just wait until we put a particle accelerator into geosynchronous orbit.


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Re: Worlds largest particle accelerator [Re: Ferris]
    #8921968 - 09/13/08 02:39 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

sry to ressurect this kinda but im really curious about it.. when are they supposed to do this??


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Re: Worlds largest particle accelerator [Re: tripp23]
    #8925251 - 09/13/08 07:29 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

either ake a tiy big-bang or millions of tiny black holes.

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Re: Worlds largest particle accelerator [Re: weallsmoke]
    #8925429 - 09/13/08 08:15 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

just read that hackers hit one of the CERN computer networks.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/hackers-hit-lhc-computer-system-deemed-scary-experience/


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Re: Worlds largest particle accelerator [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #8925548 - 09/13/08 08:43 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Bastards









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Re: Worlds largest particle accelerator [Re: Ferris]
    #8941745 - 09/16/08 10:58 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

hope they are good ass scientists! be a shame if they were "c" students in high school or college


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Re: Worlds largest particle accelerator [Re: Arose Chaos]
    #8941775 - 09/16/08 11:07 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Just to clarify the whole hacking deal, the actual accelerator software probably isn't hooked up to a network.  The detectors and their corresponding data hard drives may be (since they must send that data to some thousands of researchers).

In short, hackers can't effect any experiments, and even if they deleted data, it would be a minor setback, since almost all, but perhaps not the most recent, data would be backed up in many different places.


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Re: Worlds largest particle accelerator [Re: Arose Chaos]
    #8942104 - 09/17/08 12:28 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

> be a shame if they were "c" students in high school or college

Actually, I have found that A students are often not as good as led to believe.  They tend to be the ones that memorize the book and are unable to think outside of the box.  I'll take the B student that was working in a lab over the A student that was memorizing the book.

> data would be backed up in many different places

Given the volume of data produced, I would find this to be highly unlikely.  Analyzed data yes, but raw data, no.


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Re: Worlds largest particle accelerator [Re: Seuss]
    #8946591 - 09/17/08 09:28 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

They should make a raw feed available freely, or upon payment of transmission costs, to anyone in the countries that funded it.

Who knows if anyone would use it, but I really don't like how these folks take public funds and hide the data till they want to publish/get grants/whatever for their own benifit. 

You want your data proprietary?  Pay for it privately.


I'm happy to see their are at least some changes coming with copyrights/licensure whatever with publicly funded studies in the US, I believe.  Someone posted something to this effect in chem/pharm and seemed to suggest that such federally funded studies must now be submitted either free of copyright or with some license to the feds to make available.

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Re: Worlds largest particle accelerator [Re: johnm214]
    #8946763 - 09/17/08 10:08 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Do you know who has control over the data?

Honestly just having the data would be useless to nearly everybody.  Thats why experts sift through it and get to publish/get grants/whatever for their own benefit.

I would like to know though, who has control over the data and who gets to look at it.  Would there be anything to gain from the funders point of view to keep the data secret?  I cant think of any.

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Re: Worlds largest particle accelerator [Re: DieCommie]
    #8949283 - 09/18/08 12:45 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Data give results give papers give grants only to a few. Research in general sometimes seems like a very unhealthy competition in this quest for knowledge we call science. Blessed be the establishment for science alone never gives but only takes; grants come from elsewhere and food and housing aren't cheap. Hence, in the end, the establishment can only hurt science.




But to partially answer your question I would have a look at wiki's LHC Computing Grid.

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Re: Worlds largest particle accelerator [Re: deimya]
    #8951994 - 09/18/08 09:56 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Well, according to that the data goes to 11 universities in europe, and then gets distributed to more universities from there.  But it doesnt say anything about who does and doesnt have access to the data.

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Re: Worlds largest particle accelerator [Re: DieCommie]
    #8952029 - 09/18/08 10:03 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

They're not gonna get much data out of it at all if they have to keep shutting it down. :smirk:


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Re: Worlds largest particle accelerator [Re: ToTheSummit]
    #8952054 - 09/18/08 10:08 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Yea one of my profs. said a transformer blew up?  Shits weak.  Honestly, over the years, the more I hear about the LHC the more disinterested I become. :ohwell:

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Re: Worlds largest particle accelerator [Re: DieCommie]
    #8952080 - 09/18/08 10:12 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Do you know how many transformers that thing must have?  I don't know either, but it's a lot, and this sort of this must have been expected.


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Re: Worlds largest particle accelerator [Re: DieCommie]
    #8952088 - 09/18/08 10:13 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080918/ap_on_re_eu/eu_big_bang

  Thats pretty shady that it was shut down for a week before they said anything.
  Someone needs to smack the shit out of them.

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Re: Worlds largest particle accelerator [Re: cpw1971]
    #8952107 - 09/18/08 10:17 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Yahoo News said:

After it was started up Sept. 10, scientists circled a beam of protons in a clockwise direction at the speed of light




LoL

Anyway, the first paragraph said the transformer cools the collider?

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