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Do celebrities get better treatment in the american legal system?
    #8904856 - 09/09/08 11:08 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Do celebrities get better treatment in the american legal system?  This includes entertainment folk as well as folks that the general public in the area of the court would know of.  By better treatment I mean relative to someone who is the same but isn't known.


I always hear this and I don't think its true.  I think celebrities get worse treatment than an identical person in an identical situation that wasn't known.


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Do celebrities get better treatment in the US legal system as opposed to a non-famous but otherwise-identical counterpart?
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Re: Do celebrities get better treatment in the american legal system? [Re: johnm214]
    #8905508 - 09/10/08 04:28 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

> Do celebrities get better treatment in the american legal system?

Not because they are celebrities, BUT... and this is big... the legal system behaves a lot better when cameras and a large portion of the public are watching their every move.  Celebrities have a lot of cameras focused on them, and the legal system doesn't want to look bad on camera, thus it appears that celebrities are getting better treatment.

This can also work against celebrities.  Because the judge doesn't want to appear to be favoring the celebrity because of their social status, borderline calls often go against the celebrity compared to a regular person.


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Re: Do celebrities get better treatment in the american legal system? [Re: Seuss]
    #8905612 - 09/10/08 05:41 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I'd have to agree for the above reasons.  Not to mention the fact they have the best attorneys in the city or state representing them in court.


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Re: Do celebrities get better treatment in the american legal system? [Re: SuperD]
    #8909281 - 09/10/08 09:06 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Of course they get better treatment.

All the drug dealers who get picked up.

Do you think 3/4 of them would be in jail if they could afford million dollar attorneys?


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Re: Do celebrities get better treatment in the american legal system? [Re: MarioTrip]
    #8909315 - 09/10/08 09:14 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Better to be rich and guilty than innocent and poor in the US.


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Re: Do celebrities get better treatment in the american legal system? [Re: MarioTrip]
    #8909472 - 09/10/08 09:50 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

They might have a better advantage when it comes to lawyers due to their wealth, but in terms of favorability in the eyes of the judge/jury, I'd say their fame and ability for normal people to affect this same fame would negatively impact their sentence.


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Re: Do celebrities get better treatment in the american legal system? [Re: deCypher]
    #8909600 - 09/10/08 10:11 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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They might have a better advantage when it comes to lawyers due to their wealth, but in terms of favorability in the eyes of the judge/jury, I'd say their fame and ability for normal people to affect this same fame would negatively impact their sentence.









I think they get worse treatment for the reasons seuss said.  I think its just whining from folks, typically, who like to feel like they are oppressed by the man.  Even folks who've never been in legal trouble like to whine about fancy pants clebrities getting off while "If I did that, they'd lock me up and throw away the key."  I think its the same desire for persecution that leads some folks to claim everything is racist or that the government illicitly fixes elections.


So all the public is looking at their case and these same people likely are woefully ignorant of the law and have some notion that everyone gets off on "technicalities" (like the bill or fights- that silly thing).  Then when someone gets a dui and does only two days and a 2,000 dollar fine they whine about it.  These same folks likely know nothing about the sentencing range or factors.

I think judges recognize the public's perception of the legal system is like this and so hit celebs harder, like seuss and cypher said, while the prosecution likes to act like some hero going up against the slick attorney and his powerful client.  Then the prosecutor gets to act like he's hot shit cuz he wasn't swayed by money and power at the other table, when really the prosecutor is just a vindictive asshole in many situations.



But really.  I wonder why so many people hit the 'yes' button.... I'm wondering if everyone just decided that they can afford a better lawyer and so clicked that even though the premise was that clebrity status was the only variable :confused:

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Re: Do celebrities get better treatment in the american legal system? [Re: johnm214]
    #8923558 - 09/13/08 12:57 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

i don't think celebs are favored in the american legal system. law enforcement officers and ex-officers definitely are though.

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Re: Do celebrities get better treatment in the american legal system? [Re: JT]
    #8923679 - 09/13/08 01:18 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I wonder if celebrities like rappers ever actually do drugs as they claim in their songs...?  i dunno


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Re: Do celebrities get better treatment in the american legal system? [Re: Arose Chaos]
    #8924201 - 09/13/08 03:52 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I wonder if celebrities like rappers ever actually do drugs as they claim in their songs...?  i dunno




Is this sarcasm?  When I went to lollapaloza I saw snoop dog smoke constantly on stage. I also saw Cyprus hill at a festival and they smoked on stage. Cops didn't seem to mind. I did see the lead singer of sponge and some members of the bloodhound gang get arrested for using profanity on stage. It was at the same festival I was kinda surprised they arrested for profanity and not drug use.

Anyway back on topic. I think it is to hard to judge if the celebs get preferential treatment because the attorneys are a huge factor in most cases. And you know celebs aren't going to use a public defender.

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Re: Do celebrities get better treatment in the american legal system? [Re: MarioTrip]
    #8926115 - 09/13/08 10:42 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Better to be rich and guilty than innocent and poor in the US.




Better to be rich anywhere than poor anywhere.  (You seemed to be implying that the wealthy outside of the US are an honorable breed.)

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Is this sarcasm?  When I went to lollapaloza I saw snoop dog smoke constantly on stage. I also saw Cyprus hill at a festival and they smoked on stage. Cops didn't seem to mind.





I think this is a separate issue.  Certain police will turn more of a blind eye on things in these public situations for the regular attendees as well.  The idea is that they are there to keep the peace and busting a performer on stage for something like that they fear would start a riot or mass pandomonium.


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Re: Do celebrities get better treatment in the american legal system? [Re: johnm214]
    #8933573 - 09/15/08 01:58 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

i do know that hispanics as a whole get worse treatment in the american legal system.

even when they are victims.


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Re: Do celebrities get better treatment in the american legal system? [Re: johnm214]
    #24794789 - 11/20/17 01:12 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Anyone rich does, but only for so long, maybe as long as ur money.

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Re: Do celebrities get better treatment in the american legal system? [Re: deCypher]
    #24797540 - 11/21/17 10:49 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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They might have a better advantage when it comes to lawyers due to their wealth, but in terms of favorability in the eyes of the judge/jury, I'd say their fame and ability for normal people to affect this same fame would negatively impact their sentence.




I think it would be disingenuous to disconnect status from the wealth that comes with it. Very few celebrities give up their charmed 7+ figure lives, and even fewer do it without some sort of public scandal. Money is most definitely a factor, as $10k in legal fees will get you off anything that isn't a felony with a clear record within a year in most states in the US (even Texas). I don't know how much a felony costs, but I'm pretty sure $200-500k will get you off a murder charge with hard evidence.

I don't think that fame particularly hurts the famous when it comes to criminal trials, for every person that is disgusted by their actions, they probably have a fan who doesn't care. See: all the women who hit up Chris Brown on twitter telling him they wouldn't say anything if he beat them as long as he fucked them afterwards. Basically, for every person enraged as a result of news and status, there is another person who helped them achieve that status ready to fight back.

And hey, maybe some foreign country with a policy of not extraditing citizens will give you an honorary citizenship...

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