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second "silvatica" foray
    #8897394 - 09/08/08 05:09 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)


just got back! They're definitely growing directly from the wood.

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Re: second "silvatica" foray [Re: Bobzimmer]
    #8897399 - 09/08/08 05:11 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)



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I will confess something that should be quite obvious, CC.  I love mushrooms, i.e. fungi.  I really do.  I am talking about a strong feeling, i.e. emotion, for them.  I think they are beautiful.  I even dream of them.

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Re: second "silvatica" foray [Re: Bobzimmer]
    #8897410 - 09/08/08 05:13 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)



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I will confess something that should be quite obvious, CC.  I love mushrooms, i.e. fungi.  I really do.  I am talking about a strong feeling, i.e. emotion, for them.  I think they are beautiful.  I even dream of them.

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Re: second "silvatica" foray [Re: Bobzimmer]
    #8897427 - 09/08/08 05:16 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Amazing finds, what state were these found, and what habitat, that'd be awesome if you get some photos of these babies in their natural scene next time you're picking.

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Re: second "silvatica" foray [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #8897440 - 09/08/08 05:19 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

NY...Look down the page for yesterday's post for the pic you're talking about.

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Re: second "silvatica" foray [Re: Bobzimmer]
    #8897460 - 09/08/08 05:24 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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NY...Look down the page for yesterday's post for the pic you're talking about.




Cool, those just look so amazing, they almost look like Lizard Kings unnamed species down here in GA. I theorize that woodlovers like these arent just located in one central area, but are endemic through out the country, in various varieties due to their distribution, that only explains to me why weilii, villaeari, and azures and cyanascens up north appear very similar.

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Re: second "silvatica" foray [Re: Bobzimmer]
    #8897488 - 09/08/08 05:30 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Wow, nice find. Do they bruise blue? Spore print colour?

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Re: second "silvatica" foray [Re: wisp]
    #8897516 - 09/08/08 05:35 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

They bruise dark brown. Spore print purple-brownish. Anyone lookin' to trade a spore print?

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Re: second "silvatica" foray *DELETED* [Re: Bobzimmer]
    #8897545 - 09/08/08 05:40 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: second "silvatica" foray [Re: Troll Bot]
    #8897658 - 09/08/08 06:01 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not willing to say more about location.This is a pic of the plot.

Very unique habitat with sphagnum, pitcher plants, ferns and other mushrooms. In a bog. Don't know what type of trees because the logs were cut and laid down for the path on the wet ground...all mixed together.


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I will confess something that should be quite obvious, CC.  I love mushrooms, i.e. fungi.  I really do.  I am talking about a strong feeling, i.e. emotion, for them.  I think they are beautiful.  I even dream of them.

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Re: second "silvatica" foray [Re: Bobzimmer]
    #8897671 - 09/08/08 06:03 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Gorgeous habitat, looks like a great place to hunt mushrooms.:thumbup:

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Re: second "silvatica" foray [Re: wisp]
    #8897697 - 09/08/08 06:07 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Tons. Many amanitas and grisettes I don't know what they all are. Saw many destroying angels on my way to this spot.

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    #8897743 - 09/08/08 06:14 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: second "silvatica" foray [Re: Troll Bot]
    #8897795 - 09/08/08 06:25 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Keep lookin. I've spent years doing this. Always look downhill where moisture collects and wood rots. There are caerulipes in your neighborhood. They are not common or easy to find, but you wont have a shot if you don't look.

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Re: second "silvatica" foray [Re: Bobzimmer]
    #8897818 - 09/08/08 06:32 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I didn't realise just how lush forests got in the States. You're lucky to have such nice areas around you.

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Re: second "silvatica" foray [Re: wisp]
    #8898688 - 09/08/08 08:58 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Im dying to check that spot out just for the pitcher plants!

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Re: second "silvatica" foray [Re: Dishez]
    #8898778 - 09/08/08 09:14 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

they look more beatifull every time.
nice haul tooo


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Re: second "silvatica" foray [Re: Bobzimmer]
    #8928471 - 09/14/08 12:56 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)


After more field work, I've come up with this...
Cap:1/4"-1 1/2". Obtusely conic, to conic-campanulate, to broadly convex when fully mature, sometimes wavy, but almost always retaining an acute umbo. Caramel, to brown, to mahogany brown. Surface is slightly viscid from barely seperable gelatinous pellicle. Margin transluscent striate when young. Cap fades when dry to a cinnamon color then eventually to a tan color with dark bruises where it has been damaged. Gills are close, not attatched to the stem smokey turning almost black. Sporeprint is purple brownish.
Stem: 1"-5" long 3/32"-3/16" thick, pallid to brownish with whitish fibrils. No annulus noted.Straight, slightly thickening toward the base. Fibrous, hollow and brittle above, pithy and flexuous below. Bruises dark brown when handled.
Habitat: Solitary to gregarious, rarely cepitose from well rotted and waterlogged wood in sphagnum moss . Early Sept. in NY.

I think Allan might have had it right the first time. Psilocybe montana. Worth the bio-essay?

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Re: second "silvatica" foray [Re: Bobzimmer]
    #8928545 - 09/14/08 01:18 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Yea looks like a great match for P. montana, especially the stem in the last photo.    Good match for the habitat too.

Maybe its a gourmet psilocybe but in the absence of bluing I can't recommend that you eat it.  Its not really a good idea to eat little brown mushrooms that don't bruise blue.  If its confirmed as Psilocybe montana it might be ok to fry up.

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Re: second "silvatica" foray [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #8928762 - 09/14/08 02:14 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Certainly a psilo, the bruising could be similar to how pan subs bruise, either way glorious finds.

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Re: second "silvatica" foray [Re: Bobzimmer]
    #8931370 - 09/15/08 12:19 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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After more field work, I've come up with this...
Cap:1/4"-1 1/2". Obtusely conic, to conic-campanulate, to broadly convex when fully mature, sometimes wavy, but almost always retaining an acute umbo. Caramel, to brown, to mahogany brown. Surface is slightly viscid from barely seperable gelatinous pellicle. Margin transluscent striate when young. Cap fades when dry to a cinnamon color then eventually to a tan color with dark bruises where it has been damaged. Gills are close, not attatched to the stem smokey turning almost black. Sporeprint is purple brownish.
Stem: 1"-5" long 3/32"-3/16" thick, pallid to brownish with whitish fibrils. No annulus noted.Straight, slightly thickening toward the base. Fibrous, hollow and brittle above, pithy and flexuous below. Bruises dark brown when handled.
Habitat: Solitary to gregarious, rarely cepitose from well rotted and waterlogged wood in sphagnum moss . Early Sept. in NY.

I think Allan might have had it right the first time. Psilocybe montana. Worth the bio-essay?




As Alan said...

NICE description!  :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Some of the n00bs ought to hire you to write for them.


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Re: second "silvatica" foray [Re: Bobzimmer]
    #8931992 - 09/15/08 06:29 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Nice finds, I love the habitat shots!
From looking at those last images I think they resemble Psilocybe atrobrunnea more than they do P. montana.
Your excellent description also agrees better with P. atrobrunnea.
Also the habit,habitat and fruiting season are a match!
It looks like you are in a lowland peat bog, P montana is more common at higher altitudes, P. atrobrunnea prefers the habitat you describe.
It would be interesting to examine the microscopic features and maybe come up with a definite id!
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Re: second "silvatica" foray [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #8932365 - 09/15/08 09:28 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

those look like atrobrunnea to me, not montana IMO.


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    #8932372 - 09/15/08 09:29 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

shit, you beat me to it inski.:thumbup::thumbup:


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Re: second "silvatica" foray [Re: inski]
    #8933818 - 09/15/08 02:51 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

You're right. It definitely fits the description better. Is anyone experienced with this species? They bruised pretty rapidly, it just wasn't blue. From the dark coloration perhaps? Can anyone tell from the bark (not the white birch) what trees these were? They grew in conjunction with the sphagnum, they grew ON these logs. Stamets says weakly active. Hope no deadly corts are mixed in! Collected some larger, darker sporeprints for trade.

Found tons of these!

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Re: second "silvatica" foray [Re: Bobzimmer]
    #8936214 - 09/15/08 09:40 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Hi Bobzimmer,
Once again, nice finds!
I would not recommend you sample any of these due to the lack of definite blue bruising, it's too easy for a mistake to happen, be careful!
You should get some microscopy done on these!
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Re: second "silvatica" foray [Re: inski]
    #8936316 - 09/15/08 09:56 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I'm with you. The bruising is tempting the shit out of me, but I'm not the hasty type. I sent samples to workman and am eagerly awaiting his analysis, though I think you may have nailed the ID.

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Re: second "silvatica" foray [Re: Bobzimmer]
    #8936345 - 09/15/08 10:01 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Great, let's wait and see what Workman says!
Hopefully we can see some microscopy.
I think you have a rare find there, you should go back for more specimens and pics!
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Re: second "silvatica" foray [Re: inski]
    #8980981 - 09/24/08 09:09 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Great find once again Bobzimmer, I just read Workmans report!
After seeing your nice habitat photos I was convinced of their identity!
Nice job on the microscopy Workman!
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