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Re: LHC World's End 9/10/08 [Re: AgroCrag]
#8899202 - 09/08/08 10:26 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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If it denies the higgs (if its capable of doing that) then that will shake up the field. But most likely it will either confirm or be inconclusive and particle physics continues to be a dieing field.
I guess thats whats known as being a victim of your own success; making a theory so good that nothing new comes around for 40 years or more.
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Re: LHC World's End 9/10/08 [Re: demiu5]
#8900646 - 09/09/08 05:59 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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demius said: if the above scenario takes place, i hope i'm asleep
fuck no. i want to see the universe ripped apart.
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Re: LHC World's End 9/10/08 [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#8900688 - 09/09/08 06:32 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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demius said: if the above scenario takes place, i hope i'm asleep
fuck no. i want to see the universe ripped apart.
Same here, but, in case it doesn't rip spacetime apart then ive decided to change my career choice and will begin in earnest on thursday morning! - it would be quite terrific to see something like a black hole coming your way, that my friends is a once in a lifetime ticket so it can't be all bad....
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Re: LHC World's End 9/10/08 [Re: hoodbran]
#8901280 - 09/09/08 10:09 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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what time will they start ?
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8:30am (BST) 2:30am (EST) - I just saw Sky News and they are using two beams in opposite directions to cause collisions at near light speed... eek!
http://webcast.cern.ch/index.html
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Re: LHC World's End 9/10/08 [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#8903662 - 09/09/08 06:49 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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lefty, i didn't think about the beautiful spectacle that would be, and the pain would probably be over pretty quickly. unfortunately i will be asleep at 2:30est cause i will have class to attend at 8am central time
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Re: LHC World's End 9/10/08 [Re: demiu5]
#8904001 - 09/09/08 07:55 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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-------------------- "To do right is to know what you want. Now when you are dissatisfied with yourself it's because you are after something you don't really want. What objects are you proposing to yourself? Are they the objects you really value? If they are not, you are cheating yourself. I don't meant that if you chose to pursue the objects you most value, you will attain them; of course not. Your experience will tell you that. But success in getting after much labor what you really don't care for is the bitterest and most ridiculous failure." -George Santayana
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Re: LHC World's End 9/10/08 [Re: Nephlyte]
#8904381 - 09/09/08 09:13 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is nothing to be worried about. Humanity will continue as normal, just with some sweet experiments going on underground. I do hope this new tool will invigorate physics with new, unexpected results. Things have gotten to stagnant.
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Re: LHC World's End 9/10/08 [Re: SFsorrow]
#8905146 - 09/10/08 12:23 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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T-1H:07M and counting!! - it'll probably let out a little puff of smoke lol
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Re: LHC World's End 9/10/08 [Re: hoodbran]
#8905234 - 09/10/08 12:53 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shits going crazy over here! See you all in hell!
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Re: LHC World's End 9/10/08 [Re: hoodbran]
#8905357 - 09/10/08 01:46 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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15 minutes in and we're still alive... they hare hoping to collide the two beams later today... hold on tight - also they had an electrical problem at 4:00am and found a 'work around'
Edited by TerryTibbs (09/10/08 02:05 AM)
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Re: LHC World's End 9/10/08 [Re: hoodbran]
#8905669 - 09/10/08 06:23 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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While I believe (and I stress it) that the chances of a world-ending event to come of this are exceedingly low, I still believe there to be some chance of catastrophe occuring - we simply don't know as much about physics as we would like (thus the LHC and many other particle accelerators).
Now, in the (severely low) chance that something bad does occur, I think it highly unlikely it would be instantaneous or even within the first few (hundred, thousand?) collisions. That would be too much like a movie, in which pacing is very important for our short-attention spanned audiences. This is not a movie (well, I guess you could think of it as one, but that's up to you), this is life. Therefore, if/when something catastrophic comes of this, it will not occur for quite some time and we may not notice it (depending on the nature of it) for some more time afterward. Anyone expecting the lack of instant destruction to prove the safety of the LHC is, to use the parlance of Proffessor Brian Cox, a twat.
I am not exactly enthused at these "electrical" problems with quick-hack solutions, and neither should you be. Still, I close this by reiterating, the chances of one of the world-ending possibilities occuring is surely much less than any of us winning the lottery. Let's just hope we don't "win" this lottery :/
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Re: LHC World's End 9/10/08 [Re: Diploid]
#8905674 - 09/10/08 06:29 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Diploid said: Collisions ranging from 1 million to 100 million times more powerful than the best the LHC can produce occur in our atmosphere many thousands of times a day from natural cosmic ray collisions. This has been going on for some 5 billion years. Every day!
The Oh My God Particle causes many of them.
I wouldn't worry much about that puny little LHC. Nature is way ahead of us.
I would like to point out that we know physics works differently in different scales and environments. Physics at the macroscopic level with some atmospheres is known to work a bit differently than physics at the microscopic (nano/pico) level in a vacuum. I am pretty sure (though I have not recently reviewed) that the environment within a particle accelerator is such that smaller amounts of energy can be used than would need to be used in our open air. If this is the case, I don't think the OMG particle through space/atmosphere/earth (and it goes through EVERYTHING, right?) is a very good direct comparison.
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Re: LHC World's End 9/10/08 [Re: hoodbran]
#8905786 - 09/10/08 07:24 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ahaha... check out the Google top level page. The graphics pay homage to the LHC.
BTW, most of the people in this thread (and most of the public) don't realise that it will be months before the energies at the LHC are turned up to the maximum 14 TeV. At the moment and for the immediate future, the energies will be far lower than many other accelerators already in operation for years. Today's collisions are just the first low energy tests on the power-up roadmap.
I think the people at CERN are letting the public think that today is the critical day so the irrational hysteria over the end of the world will go away after today's certain (because the energy is nothing special at the moment) non-event.
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Re: LHC World's End 9/10/08 [Re: Diploid]
#8906055 - 09/10/08 09:02 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think the people at CERN are letting the public think that today is the critical day so the irrational hysteria over the end of the world will go away after today's certain (because the energy is nothing special at the moment) non-event.
Makes sense. I was wondering why they weren't correcting the misconception.
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Re: LHC World's End 9/10/08 [Re: Seuss]
#8908114 - 09/10/08 04:58 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Which leads me to again say, DUH! OF COURSE IT WOULDN'T BE RIGHT AWAY 
Also, I read the How Stuff Works article, and it mentions the OMG particle safety theory that Diploid references; however, it also references a non-chemist who suggests the chances of catastrophe are 1 in 50 million (less than lotto, like I said). Apparently, there will be no collisions just yet, they are going to be sending particles in only one direction for a bit (if I read it correctly).
So, once again, while I am in total agreement that as far as we know (and hope) there is little chance of something catastrostrophic occuring (aside from actually finding the Higgs-Boson, which is supposed to be the worst case scenario since it adds nothing new), I just don't think the best idea is to be totally smug about things and thinking we're invincible. We're young yet, though, so I guess that's natural, eh? I am all for getting the irrational hysteria out of the way, though, and I agree that it is probably a good idea to let it subside. People, in general, are cattle and they heard some things about the possibility of MAJOR BAD THINGS OH NOES and freaked out. Clearly death threats to scientistists are coming from twats... With this probably passing soon, I hope it allows entrance for a small number of domain-experts who can ask the right questions (of the data) and keep watch for anything we don't want happening (like a slightly stronger than "not enough to light a light bulb" black hole).
Let's all cheer for Hawking Radiation (which is supposed to be one of the mitigating factors that helps those tiny black holes collapse)!
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Re: LHC World's End 9/10/08 [Re: hoodbran]
#8908371 - 09/10/08 06:04 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: LHC World's End 9/10/08 [Re: delta9]
#8908387 - 09/10/08 06:07 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Even IF black holes are created, and IF Hawking Radiation doesn't exist in nature, the simple fact it that the black holes will come into existence traveling at some large fraction of c and posses an EXTREMELY tiny cross-section. This means that they will fly through the Earth and out harmlessly into space a few microseconds after they're created.
All these fears are completely unwarranted. They're reminiscent of how, when loccomotors were invented, non-scientists were convinced that humans would die if made to travel at the amazing speed of 60 miles per hour.
Relax. You're far more likely to die driving your car.
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Re: LHC World's End 9/10/08 [Re: Diploid]
#8908827 - 09/10/08 07:28 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Diploid said: They're reminiscent of how, when locomotor were invented, non-scientists were convinced that humans would die if made to travel at the amazing speed of 60 miles per hour.
With a name like "locomotives" (ie, crazy motives), no wonder they were afraid....! 
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Re: LHC World's End 9/10/08 [Re: PhanTomCat]
#8908940 - 09/10/08 07:53 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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