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Women pregnant under 18
    #8876068 - 09/04/08 09:56 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

My state law says that the age of consent is 18.

Does this mean that any women who is pregnant under 18 can be charged? I was wondering because I am tired of men getting in trouble for under age sex all the time and not women.

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Re: Women pregnant under 18 [Re: 0192837465]
    #8876260 - 09/04/08 10:43 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

There is nothing you can do about the anti-male bias in the justice system.

My friend (only friend I trust) was shot twice by his girlfriend, she got probation only, no jail time, if the shooter was a guy there would be no doubt a life sentence would have been handed out, the Judge violated Florida state law that says if you shoot someone with a firearm during the commission of a felony, the sentence is to be a mandatory life sentence.

I went with a friend of mine to pick up his kids in accordance with visitation rules, the mother and my friend got into an argument, the woman pushed the guy, then he pushed back and she fell on her butt, called the cops and the guy was arrested for battery, touch or strike, domestic violence, she was not charged at all even with bruises on his chest and my statement and the victims statement that she pushed first.

He was sentenced to the maximum 364 days MDCJ (jail) and she was never even charged.

I have thousands of other examples from my research on Floridas 11th, 17th, 15th and 16th circuit courts.

Welcome to America.

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Re: Women pregnant under 18 [Re: Chemy]
    #8876403 - 09/04/08 11:09 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I was under the assumption that I would get that sort of response. Thanks.

I guess if I ever want to do something I know I have no equal rights.


If a case were actually severe, such as a murder in response to a false rape accusation, what sort of outcome would occur?

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Re: Women pregnant under 18 [Re: 0192837465]
    #8876464 - 09/04/08 11:20 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Capitol Homicide/Murder
1st Degree Murder
2nd Degree Murder
2nd Degree Murder/Dangerous Act

There is no reason for taking a life unless in self defense, try using legal methods to seek a remedy for your losses.

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Re: Women pregnant under 18 [Re: Chemy]
    #8876530 - 09/04/08 11:32 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Chemy said:
Capitol Homicide/Murder
1st Degree Murder
2nd Degree Murder
2nd Degree Murder/Dangerous Act

There is no reason for taking a life unless in self defense, try using legal methods to seek a remedy for your losses.





Well considering the sex happened, the jizz was in her tang, and no condom was used, false rape = done deal. I can't prove my innocence. I guess it doesn't help that the sex was pretty rough too, I wouldn't doubt there could be some sort of abrasions in her vagina.


I guess if I did end up getting out one day, I would have to register as a sex offender and ruin my life anyways. Seems like the only way.

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Re: Women pregnant under 18 [Re: 0192837465]
    #8876805 - 09/04/08 12:31 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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0192837465 said:
My state law says that the age of consent is 18.

Does this mean that any women who is pregnant under 18 can be charged? I was wondering because I am tired of men getting in trouble for under age sex all the time and not women.




Charged with what?  It is not illegal for a minor to have sex, it is illegal for an adult to have sex with a minor.  A statutory rape charge would be made against the adult, not the minor.

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Re: Women pregnant under 18 [Re: Veritas]
    #8876910 - 09/04/08 12:47 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Charged with what?  It is not illegal for a minor to have sex



It's not illegal for a minor to have sexual contact with an adult (it is illegal for a adult however), but it is illegal for a minor to touch, fondle, grope or penetrate another minor.

Also a minor may not possess or view sexually explicit photo's of minors/children.

Edit to add: A minor convicted of sexual contact with another minor will have felony sex offender charges on their record for life, along with having to register as a sex offender for life.




Edited by Chemy (09/04/08 01:45 PM)

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Re: Women pregnant under 18 [Re: Chemy]
    #8877634 - 09/04/08 03:15 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

That varies quite a bit from state to state, and also does not apply to statutory rape of a youth (puberty to age 17) by another youth.  What you are talking about is sexual molestation of a child by a youth, or true rape of a youth by a youth.

How do any of these crimes relate to a female minor who is pregnant being charged with "underage sex"?  Are you saying that some of these minors forcibly raped male minors in order to become pregnant? :confused:

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Re: Women pregnant under 18 [Re: Veritas]
    #8877659 - 09/04/08 03:21 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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That varies quite a bit from state to state, and also does not apply to statutory rape of a youth (puberty to age 17) by another youth.  What you are talking about is sexual molestation of a child by a youth, or true rape of a youth by a youth.




you'd have to know the state really


The law is pretty variable in this area.


In most states if you take a picture of yourself nude while you're under 18 you're breaking the law (producing child pornography).  But you can screw your 50-year old one-night-stand with no problems.

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Re: Women pregnant under 18 [Re: johnm214]
    #8877664 - 09/04/08 03:22 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, but taking a photo of yourself in the nude is not likely to result in pregnancy.  :lol:

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Re: Women pregnant under 18 [Re: Veritas]
    #8877672 - 09/04/08 03:25 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Yes, but taking a photo of yourself in the nude is not likely to result in pregnancy.  :lol:





depends on the type of photos I suppose


On a funny note my friend got a twenty year old girlfriend while he was only 16 years old..  She wouldn't have sex with him cause she thought it was illegal.  My friend and I looked up the law on the internet and printed it out (from his parents computer, lol) and he brought it to her.


I guess that was so romantic it worked, lol.



Nice candlelit dinner with rose petals, dimmed lights, soft music, and a copy of the Ohio Revised Code section on rape and child molestation really got her fired up :thumbup

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Re: Women pregnant under 18 [Re: johnm214]
    #8877677 - 09/04/08 03:27 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Oh, yeah, there's nothing hotter than someone reading legal terms aloud by candlelight.  :lol:

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Re: Women pregnant under 18 [Re: Veritas]
    #8877679 - 09/04/08 03:29 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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How do any of these crimes relate to a female minor who is pregnant being charged with "underage sex"?  Are you saying that some of these minors forcibly raped male minors in order to become pregnant? :confused:



I am just adding information to this discussion.

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Next month, two 13-year-old boys from Oregon will go on trial, facing charges of five counts of sex abuse and five counts of harassment . If convicted, these two could possibly receive 10 years in jail and the distinction of being labeled as sex offenders for the rest of their lives. What horrible crime did these boys commit? They slapped some girls on the butt.
http://www.parentdish.com/2007/07/23/teens-charged-with-sex-abuse-for-slapping-bottoms/



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Re: Women pregnant under 18 [Re: Chemy]
    #8877775 - 09/04/08 03:59 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

The charges were dropped in that case.  Their behavior also went beyond "slapping butts":

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The boys, apparently inspired by the movie "Jackass," were accused in police reports of swatting girls on the bottom in a school corridor, grabbing girls' breasts on at least two occasions, teaming up to "dry hump" girls, poking girls' breasts and engaging in what's known as "party boy" dancing mimicking sexual intercourse.




http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,293849,00.html

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Re: Women pregnant under 18 [Re: Veritas]
    #8877862 - 09/04/08 04:17 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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The charges were dropped in that case.  Their behavior also went beyond "slapping butts":

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The boys, apparently inspired by the movie "Jackass," were accused in police reports of swatting girls on the bottom in a school corridor, grabbing girls' breasts on at least two occasions, teaming up to "dry hump" girls, poking girls' breasts and engaging in what's known as "party boy" dancing mimicking sexual intercourse.




http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,293849,00.html



The charges were dropped after media pressure, but we still see that in Oregon, children can be charged with these offenses.

In Florida, touching a child under the age of 16 (older than 12) is a crime (L/L, minor 12-16), but read what I didn't type in that sentence, I didn't add a minimum age for the person that touches to be charged, therefore a 15 year old that touches the "danger zone" of another 15 year old is guilty of the crime of L/L, minor 12-16, a 2nd degree felony with a penalty of up to 15 years in state prison, and must register as a sex offender for life.

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F.S.A. 800.04 (4)(a)

(4)  LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS BATTERY.--A person who:

(a)  Engages in sexual activity with a person 12 years of age or older but less than 16 years of age;




And when that 15 year old turns 40 years old, they will have a sex offender registry of L/L on a minor, making them look like a real POS for a 40 year old touching a child, when in fact they were a child when they committed the offense:shrug:

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Re: Women pregnant under 18 [Re: Chemy]
    #8877881 - 09/04/08 04:21 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

However, unlike statutory rape charges, the acts you mention would have to be non-consensual.  Would you agree that someone, of any age, who engages in non-consensual sexual behavior towards another person is engaged in a criminal act?

We're not talking about "playing doctor," but about forcing unwanted sexual contact upon another person.

*edit

Per your Florida law information:

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/FAQ.jsp#Question21

This makes it quite clear that the juvenile offender must be over age 14 to be required to register as a sex offender.  Additionally, the offendee must be under age 12 or the crime must involve the use of force.

Edited by Veritas (09/04/08 04:29 PM)

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Re: Women pregnant under 18 [Re: Veritas]
    #8877913 - 09/04/08 04:28 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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However, unlike statutory rape charges, the acts you mention would have to be non-consensual.  Would you agree that someone, of any age, who engages in non-consensual sexual behavior towards another person is engaged in a criminal act?

We're not talking about "playing doctor," but about forcing unwanted sexual contact upon another person.



There is nothing in F.S.A. 800.04 (4)(a) that mentions consent:shrug:

When you mention "non-consenual contact" that is sexual battery, not L/L, you are referring to a different offense completely.

2 15 year olds that play doctor with each other(with consent) are guilty of the crime of lewd and lacivious behaviour, a 2nd degree felony. A 15 year old that plays doctor with another 15 year old without consent commits the crime of sexual battery.

I believe that all forcible sexual offenses should be a capitol felony, so that should clear up my stance on that.

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Re: Women pregnant under 18 [Re: Chemy]
    #8877966 - 09/04/08 04:38 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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2 15 year olds that play doctor with each other(with consent) are guilty of the crime of lewd and lacivious behaviour, a 2nd degree felony.




I agree that the law could be read this way, but I wonder whether such incidents would ever be prosecuted?  This situation would not require registration as a sex offender, in any case.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0800/Sec04.HTM

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Re: Women pregnant under 18 [Re: Veritas]
    #8877977 - 09/04/08 04:39 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I seriously doubt it, I mean when everyone becomes a teenager and hormones rage, these things happen (meaning kids interest in other opposite gender of the same age), that is a part of growing up:shrug:

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Re: Women pregnant under 18 [Re: Chemy]
    #8877985 - 09/04/08 04:40 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

My mother threatened to charge my first boyfriend with statutory rape.  :blush:  She was unbelievable.

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Re: Women pregnant under 18 [Re: Veritas]
    #8877996 - 09/04/08 04:42 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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2 15 year olds that play doctor with each other(with consent) are guilty of the crime of lewd and lacivious behaviour, a 2nd degree felony.




I agree that the law could be read this way, but I wonder whether such incidents would ever be prosecuted?  This situation would not require registration as a sex offender, in any case.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0800/Sec04.HTM



Thanks for the info, I was re-hashing what I read in that news story I posted:shrug:

Sorry:shrug:

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Re: Women pregnant under 18 [Re: Chemy]
    #8878006 - 09/04/08 04:44 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

No worries, I didn't know for certain until I read the law myself.  :shrug:

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Re: Women pregnant under 18 [Re: Veritas]
    #8878113 - 09/04/08 05:06 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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My mother threatened to charge my first boyfriend with statutory rape.  :blush:  She was unbelievable.





Were you actually under the age of consent and him over the statutory max for your age, or was she just ignorant?


Either way, that is terrible, not to rag on your mom.  Get a kid convicted of rape, probably go to jail, and have him report as a rapist for the rest of his life just cuz the mom was pissed.  She should be mad at you, not him.


As long as you weren't ten or something....


Glad to see she didn't follow through.  These things really irritate me.  Another is when a child over the age of consent law, like 16 year old in many places, has sex with the guy and the parents find out.  They flip out and the girl says "Oh I ddin't want to really..." then they try to file rape charges or the girl is pressured to lie.  I've heard of that happening far more than it is prosecuted, but even a few times is too many.


IMO, if the girl is still with the boyfriend and still sees him either on the sly or untill the parents find out they had sex, that should be prima facia evidence their was no rape.


How many girls would continue seeing a kid after being raped?  Sorry, but coercion is not rape- it demeans the word.


If the girl isn't homeless, like lives with her parents, their is no reason she would continue to see the kid, so their should never be charges brought in this case.

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Re: Women pregnant under 18 [Re: johnm214]
    #8878150 - 09/04/08 05:14 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I was 17 & he was 20, so the charges likely would have been upheld.  Because I was over 16, it would have been a misdemeanor charge & not a felony rape charge. She never followed through because her threat was "if I find out that you've had sex again, I'll press charges."  We were sneaky for 11 months until I turned 18.  :lol:

She was on a control trip, as she had been during my entire childhood and adolescence.  Oh, well, at least I learned from her mistakes & have managed to create a trusting relationship with MY teenage son.

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Re: Women pregnant under 18 [Re: Veritas]
    #8878194 - 09/04/08 05:23 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I was 17 & he was 20, so the charges likely would have been upheld.  Because I was over 16, it would have been a misdemeanor charge & not a felony rape charge. She never followed through because her threat was "if I find out that you've had sex again, I'll press charges."  We were sneaky for 11 months until I turned 18.  :lol:

She was on a control trip, as she had been during my entire childhood and adolescence.  Oh, well, at least I learned from her mistakes & have managed to create a trusting relationship with MY teenage son.





good.  The most promiscuous girl I knew in highschool had the craziest parents.  She was having three ways at 16 and telling everyone about them.  Parents were insanely protective and strict, and she didn't tell them anything.


She wound up in juvenile hall before she got out of highschool.


Parents should set the rules but always be open to talking too.  My dad was like that.  I could call him and tell him I was drunk and he'd drive me home and not give me shit about it, and I always felt like I could talk to him.


Good for you :thumbup:  Its a shame that some parents think their kids aren't individuals and will somehow turn out better if they can't talk to their parents for advice without getting yelled at and grounded.

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Re: Women pregnant under 18 [Re: johnm214]
    #8878222 - 09/04/08 05:28 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

It's a fine line to walk between being accepting enough to foster trust & disapproving enough to guide behavior.  I tend to err on the side of acceptance, because I know I've done a good job of parenting him so far & he's a great young man.  I'd rather not alienate him & become excluded from his confidence, as well as leaving him without an advisor in the future.

He's expressed over and over again how terrific it is for him to be able to tell me anything, and know that I won't judge him for it.  I've told him that my job as his parent from age 12 to 18 is to gradually hand over the reins of his life to him, and only take them back temporarily if he shows me that he needs more training before he can handle "steering" by himself. 

Parents who don't work themselves out of the job are NOT parenting, IMO.

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Re: Women pregnant under 18 [Re: johnm214]
    #8910968 - 09/11/08 05:29 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Yes, but taking a photo of yourself in the nude is not likely to result in pregnancy.  :lol:





depends on the type of photos I suppose


On a funny note my friend got a twenty year old girlfriend while he was only 16 years old..  She wouldn't have sex with him cause she thought it was illegal.  My friend and I looked up the law on the internet and printed it out (from his parents computer, lol) and he brought it to her.


I guess that was so romantic it worked, lol.



Nice candlelit dinner with rose petals, dimmed lights, soft music, and a copy of the Ohio Revised Code section on rape and child molestation really got her fired up :thumbup




I met my wife when I was 13. She was 22 and out of college. When I was 16, she was 25 and we got married.

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