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A. Muscaria var. alba
    #8865701 - 09/02/08 12:47 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

EDIT: PICS NOW ADDED AT BOTTOM OF POST!!

I am pretty sure I have found 3 excellent examples of A. Muscaria var. alba. All the characteristics of A. Muscaria, but *completely* white. Shaggy rings above the bulbous base, white warts, and veil remnants. I will get pictures up tomorrow, as I am about to leave for work now. I am excited about this find!

Habitat:
Found 2 of these in a White Pine forest. One was located under an oak tree.

Gills:
Not attached, typical of Amanitas

Stem:
The largest one I found has a stem that is very beefy, with the shaggy concentric rings on the bottom, also very characteristic of A. Muscaria. The smaller ones are in the typical "fairy tale" shape (similar to puff balls)


Cap:
Again, very typical of A. Muscaria. Cap is large, typical shape, white warts, but the cap color is *completely* white, even in the younger samples.

Spore print color:
White

Bruising:
unknown at this time

PICTURES:

First some pics of the largest example:








A couple pics of one of the smaller examples:




And the final mushroom I found. Odd development on this one:






Edited by DerekRihc (09/02/08 09:58 PM)


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Re: A. Muscaria var. alba [Re: DerekRihc]
    #8865766 - 09/02/08 01:00 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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All the characteristics of A. Muscaria, but *completely* white.



In that case, you most likely have either a. citrina or a. albipes, both of which are dangerously (deadly) poisonous. I'd like to see some photos of your finds, if possible.

Also, welcome to the shroomery and thanks for taking the time to put up a decent description!


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Re: A. Muscaria var. alba [Re: DerekRihc]
    #8865843 - 09/02/08 01:17 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Even if it is a white Amanita muscaria which is unlikely, I would strongly advise against eating it. 

You might want to post the images on http://mushroomobserver.org where Rod Tulloss can see it.


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Re: A. Muscaria var. alba [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #8868519 - 09/02/08 08:43 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Well, I didn't exactly have intentions of eating it. I am a relatively novice mushroom hunter, but I have read a lot about A. Muscaria, and the rest of the Amanita family. One thing I see as being confusing is that a lot of into on the internet (this site included) says to verify a mushroom is A. Muscaria, it must have:

1. White warts on cap
2. ring around stem
3. Multiple layers of shaggy rings above the bulbous base

Well, this mushroom has all 3 of these things, and yet it is possibly *not* a Muscaria.

I will definitely post pics A.S.A.P. (probably tomorrow).

Thanks for the welcome, and the helpful info so far!

P.S. I also found a nice patch of Black Trumpets today which I can't wait to cook up. Mushrooms are very abundant around my home so I'll be posting up numerous ID pictures to help me identify some of the ones I can't seem to find enough info on!


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Re: A. Muscaria var. alba [Re: DerekRihc]
    #8869110 - 09/02/08 10:28 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

BUMP! Added pics! Also, I took some pics of other mushrooms around here and help ID'ing those would be great! Here's the thread! Thanks!


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Re: A. Muscaria var. alba [Re: DerekRihc]
    #8869414 - 09/02/08 11:35 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Well, I didn't exactly have intentions of eating it. I am a relatively novice mushroom hunter, but I have read a lot about A. Muscaria, and the rest of the Amanita family. One thing I see as being confusing is that a lot of into on the internet (this site included) says to verify a mushroom is A. Muscaria, it must have:

1. White warts on cap
2. ring around stem
3. Multiple layers of shaggy rings above the bulbous base

Well, this mushroom has all 3 of these things, and yet it is possibly *not* a Muscaria.




I don't think that list is complete, there are many Amanita species that would match that.    Can you tell me where on this site it says that?

According to those rules it is ok to eat the deadly Amanita smithiana, which kind of resembles your specimen a little.



Quote:

I will definitely post pics A.S.A.P. (probably tomorrow).




Cool pics, I am not sure what it is.  It would be great to have better pics of the base of the stem of the mature specimen, you would have to dig it up real carefully to get a pic like that.

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P.S. I also found a nice patch of Black Trumpets today which I can't wait to cook up. Mushrooms are very abundant around my home so I'll be posting up numerous ID pictures to help me identify some of the ones I can't seem to find enough info on!




They may look like black trumpets but they are actually the deadly lookalike "Black Death Cap".  Federal law requires that you mail them to me immediately for proper disposal as just tossing them would further distribute the spores, which are also deadly.


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Re: A. Muscaria var. alba [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #8870467 - 09/03/08 08:24 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Alan, I may be mistaken but I thought I had seen that information here in another thread when I searched. I know for sure it's on Mushroom Expert.

I will dig up the oldest mushroom when it seems to have reached full maturity and take detailed photos.

And stop trying to take advantage of a n00b! These trumpets stay with me! Haha!


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Re: A. Muscaria var. alba [Re: DerekRihc]
    #8872108 - 09/03/08 02:53 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I've got some updates pics. I harvested the mature one and took pics of the base. It was growing in rocky soil so it was hard to dig up, and a very small piece broke off of the very bottom.
















And here are updates pics of the other two specimens:




While taking those last pictures, I also found two new specimens growing in the pine forest:












A. Muscaria or not, this is a beautiful mushroom!


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Re: A. Muscaria var. alba [Re: DerekRihc]
    #8872134 - 09/03/08 02:58 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

I know for sure it's on Mushroom Expert.




It doesn't exactly say that any mushroom that fits those three criteria are A. muscaria, but I can see how it could be interpreted that way.

Another funny thing on that page:

You are stupid if you eat this mushroom.

While I don't really agree with him its still funny and true more often than not.


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Re: A. Muscaria var. alba [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #8872331 - 09/03/08 03:34 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Also note the difference between this type of Amanita, and the other type from my other thread:

and vs. and


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